How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom(Windows)

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Note, it has been pointed out that sone users (Ones I trust) have found that DPP is producing soft images. Rather than recommend it, I am going to rewrite the process to explain how to use the RC1 version of Adobe DNG converter until we find out whats going on with DPP.

Thanks to those who posted the link to info about DPP.

You have your new Canon 5D MK III and want to edit the raw images in Lightroom. Since Lightroom does not yet support CR2 files from a 5D MK III, here is a alternate method.

Note, If you use Adobe Photoshop, install the Adobe Camera Raw 6.7 RC1 here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html

Your camera came with DPP, EOS utilities, etc, but experienced testers have found the first version of DPP to produce soft images. so here is a better method than using DPP.


This is a abbreviated process on how to get the images into lightroom using Adobe DNG. It is a release Candidate version and subject to change, but users, including myself have had good results.


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[*]If you haven't already, download Adobe Digital Negative Converter 6.7 RC1 here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html Click the accept terms box and a list of versions will appear. Select Adobe DNG Converter for the computer you use. (Do not select Camera Raw for use with Lightroom, it works with Photoshop).

[*]Install the software

[*]Transfer the cr2 images to your computer using the utility of your choice.

[*]Open DNG Connverter, select the folder with the images. As far as I know, you must convert all the images in the folder, jpeg images will be ignored.

[*]Select or create a save folder, it can be a different or sub folder from that holding the original cr2's.

[*]If you wish to create a new name for the files, you can do it here, but be careful, or you will lose the correlation with the original cr2 file numbers.

[*]Advanced users can create their preferences. Be aware that some of the preferences can greatly increase fole size, or make smaller files that have lossy compression. The default settings are a good place to start.

[*] Click Convert


[*]Open Lightroom and import the dng images as you would any other image.

[*]At this point, you are editing what amounts to a raw image in Lightroom and can export it to jpeg, etc for upload to your web site.

Good luck
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[CTJohn]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

Why convert to tiff before importing into Lightroom? I import RAW files in the CR2 format. I use Lightroom 3, and import from a 7D, so maybe a difference in version 4 (or with the 5D Mark III)?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

Why convert to tiff before importing into Lightroom? I import RAW files in the CR2 format. I use Lightroom 3, and import from a 7D, so maybe a difference in version 4 (or with the 5D Mark III)?

I missed adding 5D MK II in the title. Lightroom does not yet support 5D MK III cr2's directly.

i'll fix the title.

 

[DarkKnightNine]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

Awesome!
Thanks for providing this info. I will pick up my Mark III tomorrow.
Anyone have any info. on an Aperture workflow?
I can use the info. provided above to work in LR3 but my preferred software workflow is Aperture 3.

 

[Seamus]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

Thanks Mt. Spokane! Appreciate the info. Now I just need the camera, should have gone with overnight delivery...

 

[Jettatore]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

TIFF is a lossless format for sure, but doesn't RAW hold 'excess' data beyond R, G, and B channel info that would not be supported by TIFF? I'm half guessing and following my gut here, and the other half genuinely asking a question, but this sounds incorrect to me? I think my gut is a lot responding to the "tiff is a raw format" idea (but I am happy to be proven wrong) -thank you

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

TIFF is a lossless format for sure, but doesn't RAW hold 'excess' data beyond R, G, and B channel info that would not be supported by TIFF? I'm half guessing and following my gut here, and the other half genuinely asking a question, but this sounds incorrect to me? I think my gut is a lot responding to the "tiff is a raw format" idea (but I am happy to be proven wrong) -thank you

As far as I can tell, DPP puts all the image info in the tiff files. So does DNG. Unfortunately, right now only a beta version of DNG for 5D MK III is available. Its fine for testing, but maybe not something to trust for production images.

 

[msdarkroom]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

I thought I posted to this thread earlier, but apparently I did not hit the 'post' button. Sorry.

Here is a DNG converter:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/cameraraw6-7/

I use the converter and import into LR4. It works great.
You can still save the CR2 files as well if you want them too.

 

[hoghavemercy]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

CS5 supports CR2 with a 5D Mark III and 1DX support for ACR why fool around with LR4??

 

[ronrandle]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

MSDarkroom, are you able to import directly into LR or do you have to import into a folder then into LR? Also curious if this will work for LR3

Thanks

Ron

 

[itsnotmeyouknow]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

CS5 supports CR2 with a 5D Mark III and 1DX support for ACR why fool around with LR4??

If you were importing 150 shots would you open them all at once in CS5? I've been using Adobe's DNG converter as my DPP disc was missing the installation files and Canon have no spare software CD Roms!

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

I thought I posted to this thread earlier, but apparently I did not hit the 'post' button. Sorry.

Here is a DNG converter:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/cameraraw6-7/

I use the converter and import into LR4. It works great.
You can still save the CR2 files as well if you want them too.

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The problem is that its a beta test version. Not something you'd want to trust your production files with. Its for testing.

DPP is a released version. Adobe also has a beta camera raw, good for testing.

 

[msdarkroom]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

I thought I posted to this thread earlier, but apparently I did not hit the 'post' button. Sorry.

Here is a DNG converter:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/cameraraw6-7/

I use the converter and import into LR4. It works great.
You can still save the CR2 files as well if you want them too.

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The problem is that its a beta test version. Not something you'd want to trust your production files with. Its for testing.

DPP is a released version. Adobe also has a beta camera raw, good for testing.

I am splitting hairs here, but...
It is actually not a beta but a "release candidate" which is basically something ready for prime time.
Google "beta versus release candidate" to see the difference.

The other thing is that you can keep your original cr2 files if you are worried or paranoid that this converter will somehow mess up the DNG.

Anyway, to each their own. I was just trying to offer what I feel is an easier solution until Adobe updates LR4/Camera Raw to include the M3.

 

[hoghavemercy]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

CS5 supports CR2 with a 5D Mark III and 1DX support for ACR why fool around with LR4??

If you were importing 150 shots would you open them all at once in CS5? I've been using Adobe's DNG converter as my DPP disc was missing the installation files and Canon have no spare software CD Roms!

of course you can that's what the bridge is all about, i have Lr3 but barely use it anymore CS5 is more refined and has everything you need.

 

[grahamsz]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

TIFF is a lossless format for sure, but doesn't RAW hold 'excess' data beyond R, G, and B channel info that would not be supported by TIFF?

TIFF Is definitely lossless (or in some cases uncompressed) but it's by no means a raw format. The most obvious difference is that TIFF is demosiaced, and some amount of processing had to go into that step. It's probably a perfectly decent workflow but you are definitely losing data.

On a side note, I do think I've encountered a mosaic tiff file which came of a DCS1 SLR. I recall needed some funny photoshop filter to even load it. Probably got that in a box somewhere

 

[wickidwombat]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

i'm definately observing a difference between the raws in dpp and viewing the same CR2 file in bridge or photoshop with the ACR 6.7 beta. probably stick with using DPP to convert until adobe come out with release updates.

 

[daveburlo]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

Hi
Yes, i have tried converting to DNG and using adobe 6.7, and the files when imported into lightroom4 are excessively noisy, however after many tests, the best solution I found is as you say to output from Canon DPP as 16bit tiff and then work in Lightroom. The tiffs are of course very large files and I'm looking forward to the update From Lighrooom to ease the overall workflow, as this at the moment is a little time consuming.

D

 

[daveburlo]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

Hi
you mention in your thread that you can import direct into lightroom by pointing the DPP to lightroom,
you explain this in terms of the directory strucrue for a PC. Can the same be done with a Mac?

 

[CanineCandidsByL]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

TIFF Is definitely lossless (or in some cases uncompressed) but it's by no means a raw format. The most obvious difference is that TIFF is demosiaced, and some amount of processing had to go into that step. It's probably a perfectly decent workflow but you are definitely losing data.

Tiff can also be lossy. There are compression options that will throw out data and some apps will default to saving with those options.

Also lossless, doesn't mean you don't throw away data. If you change color depth or the format doens't support certain features of the original format, data can be lost in the lossless compression format.


Personally I'd just use adobe labs raw2dng convenverter even if it is beta/release canidate. They either keep the raws until the final version comes out or just verify the DNGs open and look good and toss the raw right away. Generally these dot releases are less about code and more about datasets that describe how to decode the raw.

 

[msdarkroom]

Re: How to Edit 5D MK III Raw files in Lightroom

Response for the import to LR posts:

When you convert to DNG you can specify where the DNG files are created. I have the DNGs placed in a folder that I have in my LR catalog already. When the DNG converter is finished, I open LR and sync the folder. This will lead you to importing the new DNGs to the folder they are already in. (Technically the files are just being added to the catalog, they are not being moved as they are already in the folder, just not visible in LR.)

Basically two steps:
Convert to DNG and specify what folder you want DNG files to be placed in.
Sync that folder inside LR so it will know to import those images to the catalog.

Hopefully that helps those who asked this question.




As for the quality difference between DNG via Adobe's converter and DPP, I have not checked this.
Does DPP add anything automatically (sharpening, contrast, NR, etc.) from picture styles to raw files that you would do manually inside LR to the DNG?