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As DP Review says, this is not so much a replacement for the 5D2 (as it will remain in production for a reduced price), but halfway model between the 5D2 and 1Dx.
If you look at it this way, and seeing it has the 1Dx focussing, weather sealing, faster FPS etc etc, it doesn't look so expensive anymore.
We'll see in the near future how the Nikon D800 and the 5D3 compare when all the reviewers do their comparisons, but I think the 5D3 will hold its own.
Megapixels aren't everything, that's for sure.
Perhaps Canon should have called it the 3 or 4D just to say hey! This is a new camera, instead of calling it the 5D3, and then we would probably be happier about paying $3500 for it.
If you look at it this way, and seeing it has the 1Dx focussing, weather sealing, faster FPS etc etc, it doesn't look so expensive anymore.
We'll see in the near future how the Nikon D800 and the 5D3 compare when all the reviewers do their comparisons, but I think the 5D3 will hold its own.
Megapixels aren't everything, that's for sure.
Perhaps Canon should have called it the 3 or 4D just to say hey! This is a new camera, instead of calling it the 5D3, and then we would probably be happier about paying $3500 for it.
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While I don't think $3500 is a great deal, I don't think it's unreasonable either. This is looking like a do it all work horse and I can't wait to see the reviews. If this thing is everything I think and hope it is, I'll hopefully have one by September. $3500 is just the MSRP and I'm sure you'll see the price drop a little once it hits the streets.... I hope.
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quite true... changing the label to 3D would likely have justified the price tag in most peoples eyes...
at the end of the day, we can only compare it to whats available in the market, and since nikon has released a competitive product for 500 USD cheaper than what canon is marketing, then its natural to feel that the 5d3 price tag is a bit on the high side
its arguable whether or not the 5d3 and D800 are comparable, but i think in the most general sense of the term, regarding technology and simply put, capabilities, they both have desirable features... i love the fact the D800 can crop and that it can still accept crop lenses, the 36MP actually isnt a feature im in love with, but no matter, it DOES have features I would have liked to see in my vision of an "ultimate" compact FF dslr body
so from that perspective, competitive, yes.
at the end of the day, we can only compare it to whats available in the market, and since nikon has released a competitive product for 500 USD cheaper than what canon is marketing, then its natural to feel that the 5d3 price tag is a bit on the high side
its arguable whether or not the 5d3 and D800 are comparable, but i think in the most general sense of the term, regarding technology and simply put, capabilities, they both have desirable features... i love the fact the D800 can crop and that it can still accept crop lenses, the 36MP actually isnt a feature im in love with, but no matter, it DOES have features I would have liked to see in my vision of an "ultimate" compact FF dslr body
so from that perspective, competitive, yes.
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h4ldol said:
So am I. The new cam is the one I was looking for. One year from now or maybe better fall 2013 I'll be upgrading from a 30D. As I am not a pro, and not even in wedding photography, time doesn't matter, and if time is money, there's even a possibility to get it a lower price tag by then.
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Mark III Price turning you off? Considering a different model now?
I was hoping for a Mark III at 3k, but that didn't happen. So now I'm looking for a price dropped Mark II or getting a 60d for now and waiting for the Mark IV. I wanted a full frame, but my budget is now 2k. I also want new and not refurbished. I'd rather buy used than refurbished.
I was hoping for a Mark III at 3k, but that didn't happen. So now I'm looking for a price dropped Mark II or getting a 60d for now and waiting for the Mark IV. I wanted a full frame, but my budget is now 2k. I also want new and not refurbished. I'd rather buy used than refurbished.
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Kliphten said:
The price of technology almost always go down with time. It's why I can buy a new, very nice laptop now for less than the new, very nice laptop I bought back in 2008 (much better specs for a lower price). We *expect* that the latest models will bring more for less (or at least more for the same), within obvious reason. Typically, for product differentiation purposes, the classes stay similarly-priced, but new models just pack in new or upgraded features. It's quite clear that the 5D3 is not designed to "compete" against the D800. By itself, the 5D3 looks pretty good, though it's out of my price range. In comparison to the latest Nikon offerings, though, it falls quite short.
If I had no Canon-mount glass, I'd be hard pressed to choose the 5D3 over the D800 right now. However, I do have EF-mount lenses, and my desired camera is a low-end FF. I'd be nice of Canon could come out with a 5D3 "light" -- something with only 3-4 fps, less sophisticated AF, worse weather sealing, similar sensor, etc., for ~$1800-$1900. I'd think that the 5D2 will drop in price to fill that role, but I've read quite mixed reviews about the 5D2 in regards to high ISO noise and AF reliability.
I assume Canon will eventually put out a very high MP beast to rival the D800, but I'd also think that such a camera would be priced between the 5D3 and the 1D X. Obviously, that's likely a non-starter considering the $2999 price tag for the D800.
Honestly, as someone who has some money in Canon products but who has little allegiance to the company, I think the D800 was a game changer. Of course, Canon knows that people get invested in the Canon ecosystem (lenses, accessories, etc.), and thus have relatively high inertia when it comes to brands. Most people who own a bunch of Canon products are not going to up and leave the brand since the cost of switching into the Nikon ecosystem can be expensive (replace all lenses, etc.). As such, they probably realize that they can charge a premium. Of course, this does little to attract new users, but it's apparent to me, based upon the 5D3's price, that Canon isn't focusing on that right now.
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When comparing the price to the D800, we need to keep in mind that the D700, while a wonderful camera in itself was deep in the shadow of the 5DII it terms of media attention and market share in that segment. So it can be argued that Nikon is in a position that they are forced to wow the media and general population based on both dry spec lists and price.
Canon is in a much more confident position and they feel that they can charge more for their product. That sucks for us Canon users that do not want or cannot jump ship but that's simply the nature of the free market. And the market will ultimately dictate the price.
Canon is in a much more confident position and they feel that they can charge more for their product. That sucks for us Canon users that do not want or cannot jump ship but that's simply the nature of the free market. And the market will ultimately dictate the price.
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When Canon offered 21Mp senzor the Nikon's users said the same because they had only 12Mp at that moment. And Nikon was leader in high ISO ...wockawocka said:
Let's wait for proff reviews and comparisons
The 3500US and maybe 3500 EUR here is huge in my opinion. For the moment 5D2 is great.
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The 5D3 is better in almost every single way when compared to the 5D2.
Are people even educating themselves on the information??
Lots of people whining about the Megapixel count. I'm guessing they didn't read into how they have used new pixel technology this time around which leads to better quality images and process of colors and light.
But people are lazy I suppose. They see an arbitrary number and immediately take a dump in their pants.
Are people even educating themselves on the information??
Lots of people whining about the Megapixel count. I'm guessing they didn't read into how they have used new pixel technology this time around which leads to better quality images and process of colors and light.
But people are lazy I suppose. They see an arbitrary number and immediately take a dump in their pants.
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wockawocka said:
I rent when I need MF (H1 w/ a p30+ back) but it cuts into my budget significantly. A high MP canon would help me a lot until I can work (and I mean work) up to my own MF gear. I very much doubt, after skillful sharpening is applied that most of my clients would see any difference but they would love the cropping room. Some "higher end" clients ...possibly and I would still rent for them till I can get my MF gear.
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Re: Mark III Price turning you off? Considering a different model now?
i will wait until the 5d3 can be had for around 3k
i dont really want to invest ~2k in a 5d2 that i know doesnt have all the features i want... i.e. AF and fps
but at the same time, 3500 is also too high
just got to wait it out a bit longer... ^^
i will wait until the 5d3 can be had for around 3k
i dont really want to invest ~2k in a 5d2 that i know doesnt have all the features i want... i.e. AF and fps
but at the same time, 3500 is also too high
just got to wait it out a bit longer... ^^
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Re: Mark III Price turning you off? Considering a different model now?
I'm actually looking to sell of my 60D to fund the 5dmk3. It has everything I want minus the fps. But seeing as I've shot a variety of collegiate sports with my 60D, I welcome the increase with open arms.
I had the opportunity to purchase the 5dmk2 when it came out, but was disappointed by its lackluster AF and low light performance.
I'm actually looking to sell of my 60D to fund the 5dmk3. It has everything I want minus the fps. But seeing as I've shot a variety of collegiate sports with my 60D, I welcome the increase with open arms.
I had the opportunity to purchase the 5dmk2 when it came out, but was disappointed by its lackluster AF and low light performance.
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randplaty said:
Well I am an amateur and $3500 wont stop me - amateurs are more likely to buy top gear because they are passionate about photography and dont have to justify every dollar spent like a pro. The cost of the cameras are overshadowed by the cost of the lens - my 3 white lens cost twice as much as the 3 pro bodies .....
We may get to the point where an amateur turns up to weddings with better gear than a journeyman pro - oh hang on - that already happens.
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lseamer said:
WOW!! WTF?? 61 point reticular AF with 14 cross type points...up from a whoppping NINE points, with a SINGLE center cross type!! The 7D's color metering system, vs. the monochromatic one from the 5D II. A bump up in FPS from screamin' 3.9 to 6, moving it into the realm of actual viability for higher speed AF and action photography (you need at least 4.5fps to really do continuous action shooting well, and 6fps, while not as good as the 7D's 8fps, is great for 22.3mp, and better than the D800's 4fps). It does 18 continuous frames (vs. 15 for the 7D with only 18mp and 8fps), which is a huge boon for action shooters. A TWO FULL STOP native ISO improvement from 6400 to 25600, and the ISO 6400 images look STUNNING!! Thats AWESOME for low-light shooters who can't drop $6800 for the 1D X. A 100% viewfinder, up from 98%...owning a 7D, that is unbelievably handy from a composition standpoint. Its even got a sensor resolution TUNED to HD video pulldown, so for those of us who WANT the ability to shoot video as well as stills for our $3500, thats definitely an improvement!
Seriously, this kind of S___ ticks me off. You whiners have SO MUCH CAPABILITY in a camera 1/10th as good as this. And your literally bitching about the 5D III? GET OVER YOURSELVES! Its definitely an improvement.
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