Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price

[traveller]

I need some money to buy my 5d MK3 system, will probably buy the 50mm 1.2 and the new 28-70 mm, but i really need some help would you guys be kind enough and donate whatever you can for me to accomplish my dream?

Hello Ken Rockwell, I didn't recognise you at first because of the pseudonym, but the begging for money to support your hobby gives your identity away! Were you planning on making up your mind which camera you prefer this time, or just changing your opinion on a weekly basis like usual?

 

[briansquibb]

I need some money to buy my 5d MK3 system, will probably buy the 50mm 1.2 and the new 28-70 mm, but i really need some help would you guys be kind enough and donate whatever you can for me to accomplish my dream?

Hello Ken Rockwell, I didn't recognise you at first because of the pseudonym, but the begging for money to support your hobby gives your identity away! Were you planning on making up your mind which camera you prefer this time, or just changing your opinion on a weekly basis like usual?

I know how he feels - just bought a new lens and the family are going hungry

 

[canartist]

Re: Understanding the 5D III Pricing!

How much was a gallon of milk when the 5D II first arrived? So maybe if our fiscal house was in order and these stupid politicians balanced the budget and didn't spend OUR money like a drunken sailor (No offense to sailors!) maybe the price wouldn't be as steep as we think it is! Maybe it would only be a 500 jump, and only be a 3000 dollar camera! The cost of everything has gone up!

Really?? what was the cost of your plasma tv, when 5dII first arrived ? How much did your computer/laptop/GPS/any consumer electronics costed when 5DII arrived ?

Very strange Nikons were immune to your so-called inflation

 

[XanuFoto]

Judging by the poll on this thread, Canon has hit a home run. 42% upgrading thier gear is a very good percentage. And ofcourse once this camera is reviewed well there will be many more that will follow.

For everybody else they have kept the MKII in production.

 

[wickidwombat]

I need some money to buy my 5d MK3 system, will probably buy the 50mm 1.2 and the new 28-70 mm, but i really need some help would you guys be kind enough and donate whatever you can for me to accomplish my dream?

Hello Ken Rockwell, I didn't recognise you at first because of the pseudonym, but the begging for money to support your hobby gives your identity away! Were you planning on making up your mind which camera you prefer this time, or just changing your opinion on a weekly basis like usual?

ROFL +1 thanks that gave me a good laugh

 

[gabriele]

Well considering that adding a battery grip makes this camera way better than the way more pricey 1Ds Mk III probably that's the reason for the high price.
Still I'd exchange it anytime for my 5D Mk II if I could, but yes it's quite pricey at the moment...who knows maybe in the future.

 

[briansquibb]

Well considering that adding a battery grip makes this camera way better than the way more pricey 1Ds Mk III probably that's the reason for the high price.
Still I'd exchange it anytime for my 5D Mk II if I could, but yes it's quite pricey at the moment...who knows maybe in the future.

Way better? Not so sure about that - particularly up to iso400

 

[Abraxx]

Ohoh
Pre Order Prices for D800 dropping already in Germany.
Lowest I saw between 2490 - 2574 EUR !

5D Mark III still at 3299 EUR.

Both Body only of course. That is quite a difference.

:'(

 

[D_Rochat]

Ohoh
Pre Order Prices for D800 dropping already in Germany.
Lowest I saw between 2490 - 2574 EUR !

5D Mark III still at 3299 EUR.

Both Body only of course. That is quite a difference.

:'(

This is a good thing. Maybe this sort of competition will force Canon to lower their price a little.

 

[Abraxx]

Ohoh
Pre Order Prices for D800 dropping already in Germany.
Lowest I saw between 2490 - 2574 EUR !

5D Mark III still at 3299 EUR.

Both Body only of course. That is quite a difference.

:'(

This is a good thing. Maybe this sort of competition will force Canon to lower their price a little.

Yes I hope so.

 

[gabriele]

Well considering that adding a battery grip makes this camera way better than the way more pricey 1Ds Mk III probably that's the reason for the high price.
Still I'd exchange it anytime for my 5D Mk II if I could, but yes it's quite pricey at the moment...who knows maybe in the future.

Way better? Not so sure about that - particularly up to iso400

Well actually the 5D Mark II has already a slightly better sensor compared to the 1Ds Mark III (quite subtle in most of the cases but still a little bit better).
Talking about functions of course the 1Ds Mk III is waaaay better than the 5D Mark II, maybe it has something more also compared to the 5D Mark III speaking of functions, but there are also lot of other functions available solely on the 5D Mark III and not on the 1Ds Mark III.
So since the new camera is about 2 stops better than the new one, it would be obviously better than the 1Ds Mark III for noise performance and picture quality, plus you get a better AF and faster burst mode.

 

[capertillar]

i actually got a gold box deal from amazon today to pre-order the D800 for 2850 USD... 5% off the 3000 price... if i were aiming for the d800, i probably would have put in the order

wonder if it'll come around again on the 5d3, i might accept a price of 3325 for the 5d3...

 

[briansquibb]

Well considering that adding a battery grip makes this camera way better than the way more pricey 1Ds Mk III probably that's the reason for the high price.
Still I'd exchange it anytime for my 5D Mk II if I could, but yes it's quite pricey at the moment...who knows maybe in the future.

Way better? Not so sure about that - particularly up to iso400

Well actually the 5D Mark II has already a slightly better sensor compared to the 1Ds Mark II (quite subtle in most of the cases but still a little bit better).
Talking about functions of course the 1Ds Mk III is waaaay better than the 5D Mark II, maybe it has something more also compared to the 5D Mark III speaking of functions, but there are also lot of other functions available solely on the 5D Mark III and not on the 1Ds Mark III.
So since the new camera is about 2 stops better than the new one, it would be obviously better than the 1Ds Mark III for noise performance and picture quality, plus you get a better AF and faster burst mode.

Well comparing the 5DII and the 1Ds3 upto iso400 the 1Ds3 is clearly better than the 5D2, not by much - but definitely not way worse (DxO measurements)

Better AF for the 5D3 - well more points and the AF point - 1Ds3 is essentially the same as the 1D4. The 5D3 doesn't have the grip nor the weatherproofing. 1Ds3 has AF for f/8 ....

I would be surrpised if in real life you would see any difference in prints between the 5D2/3 and 1Ds3 using iso of 400 or less. It is all too easy to dismiss old technology when shiny new stuff comes out - and easy to overlook the features lost on the way

 

[EchoLocation]

Anyone see that the D800 is at the #22 spot on the Amazon top sellers while the 5DIII has fallen to #83? Seeing the price in the dead center between 3-4k looks a lot less appetizing than seeing a $2xxx to start things off.
I think Canon really missed the boat with their initial price and I don't understand what caused them to think their camera was worth 500 dollars more than the Nikon System(when for the last few years they were firmly lower than Nikon in pricing.)

please, please, please save me the lectures on inflation, exchange rates, etc.... I am simply COMPARING the prices of one camera brand to another which happen to be from the same country.

 

[XanuFoto]

Anyone see that the D800 is at the #22 spot on the Amazon top sellers while the 5DIII has fallen to #83? Seeing the price in the dead center between 3-4k looks a lot less appetizing than seeing a $2xxx to start things off.
I think Canon really missed the boat with their initial price and I don't understand what caused them to think their camera was worth 500 dollars more than the Nikon System(when for the last few years they were firmly lower than Nikon in pricing.)

please, please, please save me the lectures on inflation, exchange rates, etc.... I am simply COMPARING the prices of one camera brand to another which happen to be from the same country.

those numbers are all over the place and its only one vendor. Most pros would buy from B&H or Adorama. Its too early to say who will come ahead. All I know is that many D700 guys are not upgrading and not many Canon guys with any serious array of lenses are not panicking and moving over.

 

[EchoLocation]

Anyone see that the D800 is at the #22 spot on the Amazon top sellers while the 5DIII has fallen to #83? Seeing the price in the dead center between 3-4k looks a lot less appetizing than seeing a $2xxx to start things off.
I think Canon really missed the boat with their initial price and I don't understand what caused them to think their camera was worth 500 dollars more than the Nikon System(when for the last few years they were firmly lower than Nikon in pricing.)

please, please, please save me the lectures on inflation, exchange rates, etc.... I am simply COMPARING the prices of one camera brand to another which happen to be from the same country.

those numbers are all over the place and its only one vendor. Most pros would buy from B&H or Adorama. Its too early to say who will come ahead. All I know is that many D700 guys are not upgrading and not many Canon guys with any serious array of lenses are not panicking and moving over.

Very true. I doubt there is too much movement either way from one brand to another at this point.
Compared on the release dates though, I am surprised that the 5DIII is so far behind the D800 in the sales rankings.
If either brand comes up with a new FF camera between 2000 and 2500 dollars, I think that is what would cause massive sales. I'm still a little shocked that Canon didn't come up with a FF camera for the masses at a more reasonable price point. At 2300 dollars I personally know about 5-10 people who would consider it. All of these people currently use 5D's/60D's/7D or D7000's and don't want to pay 3000 dollars for a camera. It's a huge jump from 1200-1500(computer range of pricing) dollars to 3000 dollars(cheap car pricing.)

 

[Musouka]

Where is the option for I'll wait for the 5DIII's price to drop?

If the market thinks the competition provides the better value, Canon would have a hard time selling these and will have to lower down their prices... remember how the 50D's price dropped quickly after introduction because of the competition from the D300?

 

[dwischnewski]

For all those, who think that the price got higher, here is an interesting article: http://www.eos-network.com/2012/03/cameras-banks-and-the-financial-crisis-or-why-cameras-prices-seem-so-high-these-days/

Confirms my gut feelings. Thankfully someone did the math. Yet, I do not like the "new price" so much myself.

 

[BillyBean]

For all those, who think that the price got higher, here is an interesting article: http://www.eos-network.com/2012/03/cameras-banks-and-the-financial-crisis-or-why-cameras-prices-seem-so-high-these-days/

Confirms my gut feelings. Thankfully someone did the math. Yet, I do not like the "new price" so much myself.

Interesting article - except for one thing: its almost completely irrelevent! Customers determine price, dependent on what they wish to pay, alongside the available supply. This is why DVDs and Bluerays are region coded, so that vendors can charge more in countries where people are willing to pay more.

Of course, cameras are not region coded, though Canon try hard with stuff like warranties to pretend they are. So they have choices: reduce volumes to ensure price maintenance, or charge less, or sell harder (promote value). Or a combination of these.

Otherwise, they risk losing money on each sale. It's not unheard of. But to be clear: exchange rates, taxes and suchlike impact Canon's margin, not the price, which is determined by supply and demand. Low demand, high supply -> lower price.

Give it 3 months and we'll see where things stand. The 7D had a huge price drop following launch.

 

[gabriele]

Well comparing the 5DII and the 1Ds3 upto iso400 the 1Ds3 is clearly better than the 5D2, not by much - but definitely not way worse (DxO measurements)

Better AF for the 5D3 - well more points and the AF point - 1Ds3 is essentially the same as the 1D4. The 5D3 doesn't have the grip nor the weatherproofing. 1Ds3 has AF for f/8 ....

I would be surrpised if in real life you would see any difference in prints between the 5D2/3 and 1Ds3 using iso of 400 or less. It is all too easy to dismiss old technology when shiny new stuff comes out - and easy to overlook the features lost on the way

Personally I stopped looking at DxO measurements and I firmly believe they're quite biased (usually they tend to give more to Nikon than Canon). Beside this, still looking at DxO, the 5D Mk II seems to perform better than the 1Ds3, especially in dynamic range. For low ISO they're pretty much the same, but then the 5D2 becomes better at high ISO.

I found several tests about the 5D2 sensor being better than the one on the 1Ds3, here's one:
http://www.akelstudio.com/blog/canon-1ds-mark-iii-v-s-5d-mark-ii-is-there-is-any-difference-in-image-quality-in-studio-test-run/

Note I'm talking only about picture quality, not functions, AF and so on which are better on the 1Ds3 of course.

In any case this makes the 5D3 better than the 1Ds3 since it is already better than the 5D2 by about 2 stops.