Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price

[gabriele]

Because I want to. When I put the full list I got flamed and accused of being a rich kid
unctionality.

Well you skipped all the other questions and answered in a manner that also you tainted the questions you tried to answer to me.

You didn't tell me what kind of pictures you take when shooting with a 1200mm lens with a flash at f/8 ISO 400, this makes me quite curious.

You don't consider the 52D better in picture quality than the 1Ds3 because you don't want to consider better performance in low light as a pro, ok do as you wish but still you can't say the 1Ds3 performs better because as you can also see in DxO graphs they're EXACTLY the same at low ISO.

And it hasn't been proven erroneous that the 5D2 gives better performance than the 1Ds3, this because you don't want to consider high ISO. If you don't want to consider something as a pro is your own thing, but it's not objective. If I let you notice the pros of a camera and you don't want to see them is another matter.
If you use long lenses and you don't need high ISO performance I really don't see the point for you to own a FF camera, even worse you say you own 2 FF cameras. The point of FF cameras is mainly using wide angle lenses and have better picture quality especially at high ISO and possibly a better bokeh.
You'd better use just a 7D or a 1D4 and end this since FF seems not suited for your uses.

The only functionality you're supposed to lose (and it's not for sure since as I already said Canon said it's not final) compared to a 1D series with the 5D3 is the f/8 focus, all the other things are gains.
But since you say own more cameras than a camera store I don't think getting another one just to have fun will be a problem for your big fat wallet (of course if what you say is true).

 

[gabriele]

It's funny that hwne you washx clithes what really comes out imn the dryer.

What about writing in english so everybody could understand you?

 

[te4o]

It's funny that hwne you washx clithes what really comes out imn the dryer.

What about writing in english so everybody could understand you?

He is using his smartphone and that's what the automatic correction does to it: just like the clothes from the dryer ;D

 

[gabriele]

And what is that supposed to mean and who is it for?
I just noticed that briansquibb even said that he had a 7D and exchanged it for a 5D2 for picture quality.
While I agree with this it doesn't still make sense if he says he owns all the other pro bodies (1Ds3 1D4) and he says that for him 5D2 picture quality is inferior to the 1Ds3 (even though we know it's not true and also graphs on DxO show this).

By the way, I'll end up here, there's a saying: "there's no worse deaf than who doesn't want to listen".

 

[dbduchene]

I have only shoot my 7D in low light once and it was VERY LOW light trying to shoot a night water polo match at a HS that did not have many lights. Shooting full day light with nothing but L series lenses I have been very happy with my 7D. In the very first playing with it when I got it I found that it did not look good with anything but my L series lenses. I kind of expected that do to the pixel density. The lower cost lenses just do not resolve well with the many Pixels in the little size.

Anyways here comes the smites I guess as I am again saying that I am happy with both camera as long as I use good glass

 

[briansquibb]

I just noticed that briansquibb even said that he had a 7D and exchanged it for a 5D2 for picture quality.

You need to read it again - I already had the 5D2 and bought two 7D because everyone was recommending it. The IQ was poor incomparison to the 5D2 so I sold them and bought a 1D4 - this was in september 2011. It is so irritating when people misquote me.

@Ardea You are wrong in everything you say. DxO say that the 1Ds3 is better than the 5D2 up to iso400 which is the maximum I use the 1Ds3 for. Why would I use the 1Ds3 in low light when I have a 1D4?

Why should I tell you what I am shooting@1200 with flash? If I choose to use ff that is my choice - it is the way that Canon is going - hence the 5D3 and the 1DX

You say I should use ff for wide angle - well I have been shooting with wide angle all afternoon as I will be on Friday. On Saturday and Wednesday the long lens will be out.

@Ardea + @Gabriele I may do things which you disapprove or disagree with - but that doesn't make me wrong or you right to flame me because I choose to exercise my right of free choice in how I spend my money

 

[AprilForever]

Is the 7D your god?

Believe what you want in your narrow minded and twisted version of reality. BTW, I pray to my 5DmkII on a little shrine in my living room every night before I go to sleep.

Well see if it gets you anything for Christmas or hannukah or whatever it likes. Maybe Westfallday?

@Ardea
wtf is wrong with you?! stop bitching and go outside, take some pictures!

***Complain all you want, but watch your language***

You got ripped off..

@Ardea
wtf is wrong with you?! stop bitching and go outside, take some pictures!

It is dark wherei s I am, and will will likely not be very light soond...

Lol Andrea that wasn't who wrote it, it was the Admin. lol owned

Mr. Fence, how do you have as many smites as posts?

 

[gabriele]

I just noticed that briansquibb even said that he had a 7D and exchanged it for a 5D2 for picture quality.

You need to read it again - I already had the 5D2 and bought two 7D because everyone was recommending it. The IQ was poor incomparison to the 5D2 so I sold them and bought a 1D4 - this was in september 2011. It is so irritating when people misquote me.

@Ardea You are wrong in everything you say. DxO say that the 1Ds3 is better than the 5D2 up to iso400 which is the maximum I use the 1Ds3 for. Why would I use the 1Ds3 in low light when I have a 1D4?

Why should I tell you what I am shooting@1200 with flash? If I choose to use ff that is my choice - it is the way that Canon is going - hence the 5D3 and the 1DX

You say I should use ff for wide angle - well I have been shooting with wide angle all afternoon as I will be on Friday. On Saturday and Wednesday the long lens will be out.

@Ardea + @Gabriele I may do things which you disapprove or disagree with - but that doesn't make me wrong or you right to flame me because I choose to exercise my right of free choice in how I spend my money

Haven't read you saying you sold one 5D2 for 2 7D (you could have tried just one before getting 2 logic says)...by the way today I've been to the Canon official event where they presented 5D3, 1DX and C300.
The Canon representative himself told me that 5D3 is better compared to a 1Ds3.

Why I want to know what do you shoot at 1200mm f/8 ISO 400 with flash? Well because I'm really curious about this combination and really what kind of pictures would you ever want to take with such a setup.
Still today Canon guys told me about the f/8 focus and the way focus works, they preferred to do it this way because an f/8 sensor is bigger than an f/5.6 thus they wouldn't have been able with the actual technology to stuff so many focus points on the sensor.
What kind of pictures would you take with AF at f/8 1200mm BTW? A 600mm is quite a heavy lens so you'd probably use it on a gimbal head, to subject that don't move too much, so there's the chance you could still use manual focus.
In any case they told me that there's still the chance that the central AF point might still work with some selected lenses even if f/8 (but they didn't tell me which ones).
You seem also not clear about what do you want: do you want speed? Do you want quality? Do you want full frame or crop? What kind of pictures do you take mainly?

Also final thing since you seem blind at the graphs on DxO I'll post them here so you can see how 5D2 has better IQ than Ds3 (as also the canon representative said and like lot of people and tests can confirm).

Why would you use the 1Ds3 in low light when you have a 1D4?
This underlines that you haven't understood that FF cameras perform better in low light: a 1Ds3, a 5D2 or 5D3 are surely better than a 1D4 in low light-high ISO situation.

Here your tests where you can see how 1Ds3 is not better than 5D2: as you can see the 1Ds3 has more dynamic range than the 5D2 only at 100ISO, after that the 5D2 beats the 1Ds...beside the fact the difference at 100ISO is really marginal. This is why you shouldn't look only at the final numbers but at the whole graph.

 

[agierke]

you do thats why i have a 550d and a 7D, because im a Nikon troll

Your post reads as if you are unhappy with Canon and you would like to be with Nikon - so that would not be unreasonable.

Im because i was expecting a bit more from the 5d, especially if im using a 7d, it would be a small improvement.

oo yes i forgot, it seems that the moire is badass on the 5d compared to the D800 in video, well it seems that the best card the Canon had is not that good anymore:

Moire test of 5dMarkus the 3rd. vs the D800:

D800vs5Dmark2_moire/ISO.mov

thats a test of a 5D mrk2 vs the D800. but whatever....you seem generally confused about alot of things.

 

[briansquibb]

Haven't read you saying you sold one 5D2 for 2 7D

That is because I didn't say that

Why I want to know what do you shoot at 1200mm f/8 ISO 400 with flash? Well because I'm really curious about this combination and really what kind of pictures would you ever want to take with such a setup.

Wild life

Still today Canon guys told me about the f/8 focus and the way focus works, they preferred to do it this way because an f/8 sensor is bigger than an f/5.6 thus they wouldn't have been able with the actual technology to stuff so many focus points on the sensor.
What kind of pictures would you take with AF at f/8 1200mm BTW? A 600mm is quite a heavy lens so you'd probably use it on a gimbal head, to subject that don't move too much, so there's the chance you could still use manual focus

Birds in flight, no chance for manual focus

You seem also not clear about what do you want: do you want speed? Do you want quality? Do you want full frame or crop? What kind of pictures do you take mainly?

Also final thing since you seem blind at the graphs on DxO I'll post them here so you can see how 5D2 has better IQ than Ds3 (as also the canon representative said and like lot of people and tests can confirm).

Well the 1ds3 scores higher than the 5D2 in everything except the high iso. The 1ds3 is a far better camera than the 5D2 in more than IQ

Why would you use the 1Ds3 in low light when you have a 1D4?

I take pictures in low light - but with iso no higher than 400

I also take pictures with the 1D4 in low light with the iso up to 1600 - although sometimes higher if needed for the shot

This underlines that you haven't understood that FF cameras perform better in low light: a 1Ds3, a 5D2 or 5D3 are surely better than a 1D4 in low light-high ISO situation.

Here your tests where you can see how 1Ds3 is not better than 5D2: as you can see the 1Ds3 has more dynamic range than the 5D2 only at 100ISO, after that the 5D2 beats the 1Ds...beside the fact the difference at 100ISO is really marginal. This is why you shouldn't look only at the final numbers but at the whole graph.

I think you are talking rubbish - you clearly dont understand my comments and constantly misquote/ misunderstand/misread what I am saying

 

[zhap03]

Nikon just reduced the price of the D800 in Canada. Retailers originally had it listed at $3149 CAD, now it's only $2999 CAD. Maybe Canon will follow suit?

 

[Loswr]

Still today Canon guys told me about the f/8 focus and the way focus works, they preferred to do it this way because an f/8 sensor is bigger than an f/5.6 thus they wouldn't have been able with the actual technology to stuff so many focus points on the sensor.

Sorry, but you either misheard, or more likely, the Canon rep was talking BS and doesn't understand such things, either. An f/8 sensor has a narrower baseline than an f/5.6 sensor, so it actually takes up less space on the sensor. Doesn't mean they could fit them in, but that's reality - the narrower the aperture, the more tightly spaced the lines.

To see what I mean, compare an f/2.8 sensor with an f/5.6 sensor - see the diagram below, look how far apart the f/2.8 lines are compared to the f/5.6 lines.

 

[gabriele]

Still today Canon guys told me about the f/8 focus and the way focus works, they preferred to do it this way because an f/8 sensor is bigger than an f/5.6 thus they wouldn't have been able with the actual technology to stuff so many focus points on the sensor.

Sorry, but you either misheard, or more likely, the Canon rep was talking BS and doesn't understand such things, either. An f/8 sensor has a narrower baseline than an f/5.6 sensor, so it actually takes up less space on the sensor. Doesn't mean they could fit them in, but that's reality - the narrower the aperture, the more tightly spaced the lines.

To see what I mean, compare an f/2.8 sensor with an f/5.6 sensor - see the diagram below, look how far apart the f/2.8 lines are compared to the f/5.6 lines.

Well sensors aren't just about their sensitivity, but also the type of sensors, points, cross type, diagonal and so on. Apparently they couldn't fit it with this kind of configuration to keep the focusing system as good as the new one.
If an f/8 sensor was always smaller, don't you think they could just put all f/8 sensors accross the whole frame? It would have been awesome, but probably they don't work as well as f/2.8 or f/5.6 sensors.

@briansquibb: wow so you take pictures to birds at 1200...using a flash?
I totally understand taking pictures at birds with 1200...but really quite difficult if handheld...but I don't get the use of a flash for wildlife at 1200mm.

So you prefer taking pictures at high ISO up to 1600 with the 1D4 instead of using the 1Ds that you say you use only up to 400ISO ??

I don't talk rubbish, tell me where I misquoted you, I can't read your mind I just read what you write.
What is that you don't like about the graphs beside denoting how the 5D2 is better than the 1Ds3?
In SNR 5D2 is better than 1Ds3 at every ISO settings.
In dynamic range 1Ds3 is slightly better than 5D2 at ISO 100, then becomes equal at ISO 160 and then 5D2 wins on all the other ISO settings.
Tonal range they're pretty much the same with the 5D2 slightly better.
This is what the graphs say.

By the way as matter of a fact I tried the 5D3 today and is an AWESOME camera. It totally beats 1Ds3 and 5D2, it is soooooooooooo AWESOME! You should really try it. I tried also the 1DX, but due to the price is not for me. Maybe one day I'll get the 5D3, but I see the 1DX far away at the moment.

 

[briansquibb]

Still today Canon guys told me about the f/8 focus and the way focus works, they preferred to do it this way because an f/8 sensor is bigger than an f/5.6 thus they wouldn't have been able with the actual technology to stuff so many focus points on the sensor.

Sorry, but you either misheard, or more likely, the Canon rep was talking BS and doesn't understand such things, either. An f/8 sensor has a narrower baseline than an f/5.6 sensor, so it actually takes up less space on the sensor. Doesn't mean they could fit them in, but that's reality - the narrower the aperture, the more tightly spaced the lines.

To see what I mean, compare an f/2.8 sensor with an f/5.6 sensor - see the diagram below, look how far apart the f/2.8 lines are compared to the f/5.6 lines.

Well sensors aren't just about their sensitivity, but also the type of sensors, points, cross type, diagonal and so on. Apparently they couldn't fit it with this kind of configuration to keep the focusing system as good as the new one.
If an f/8 sensor was always smaller, don't you think they could just put all f/8 sensors accross the whole frame? It would have been awesome, but probably they don't work as well as f/2.8 or f/5.6 sensors.

@briansquibb: wow so you take pictures to birds at 1200...using a flash?
I totally understand taking pictures at birds with 1200...but really quite difficult if handheld...but I don't get the use of a flash for wildlife at 1200mm.

So you prefer taking pictures at high ISO up to 1600 with the 1D4 instead of using the 1Ds that you say you use only up to 400ISO ??

I don't talk rubbish, tell me where I misquoted you, I can't read your mind I just read what you write.
What is that you don't like about the graphs beside denoting how the 5D2 is better than the 1Ds3?

To honest Gabriele I dont care at for what you say.
I dont care if you think the 5D2 is better than the 1Ds3
I dont care that you dont know how to take flash at 1200mm

You know nothing about me, my kit, my experience or the types of photos I take

Just back off please

 

[gabriele]

To honest Gabriele I dont care at for what you say.
I dont care if you think the 5D2 is better than the 1Ds3
I dont care that you dont know how to take flash at 1200mm

You know nothing about me, my kit, my experience or the types of photos I take

Just back off please

Think as you wish, I was relying on numeric data and graphs to be objective.
I don't care either, you can use whatever you want, have fun, just next time don't believe in people suggesting you a crop camera like a 7D over a 5D2 for best IQ.
If I don't know what kind of pictures you take is because you didn't want to tell before nor to answer my questions.

Bye, have fun and please stop clicking on smite at each of my post. if that is you as I suspect.
I didn't do it to you but I suspect it's you.

 

[briansquibb]

If I don't know what kind of pictures you take is because you didn't want to tell before nor to answer my questions.

That just proves you dont read my posts correctly

 

[briansquibb]

If I don't know what kind of pictures you take is because you didn't want to tell before nor to answer my questions.





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@briansquibb: wow so you take pictures to birds at 1200...using a flash?
I totally understand taking pictures at birds with 1200...but really quite difficult if handheld...but I don't get the use of a flash for wildlife at 1200mm.

Gabriele told me what I took then complained I didn't tell him. I suppose you didn't read it either

 

[Orion]

Another perspective on the price increase:


http://blog.planet5d.com/2012/03/why-is-the-canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-more-expensive-than-the-canon-eos-5d-mark-ii/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Planet5dBlog+%28Planet5D+Blog%29

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The D800 looks way better there, but it doesn't seem fair that they seem to have shot the D800 from much closer in. Maybe if they had shot the D800 from farther out it would have had bad moire too?

you do thats why i have a 550d and a 7D, because im a Nikon troll

Your post reads as if you are unhappy with Canon and you would like to be with Nikon - so that would not be unreasonable.

Im because i was expecting a bit more from the 5d, especially if im using a 7d, it would be a small improvement.

oo yes i forgot, it seems that the moire is badass on the 5d compared to the D800 in video, well it seems that the best card the Canon had is not that good anymore:

Moire test of 5dMarkus the 3rd. vs the D800:

D800vs5Dmark2_moire/ISO.mov

 

[gibbygoo]

As a professional, $500-$700 is a huge price difference----for whom, I don't know. Maybe for professionals who actually aren't professionals. By that I mean talented or not talented photographers who don't pay their rent with their camera work. Fact is, if you are a professional, the price difference is negligible. I'm a full time pro. I'm far from rich. I'm reasonably talented, but not that great. And the last thing I care about as part of my business is the price of a single capture device. If you can't shoot professional studio work with a 5DII, you should look for a new line of work. Now we have the 5D3 with lots of nice improvements. Done. End of story. When you complain about a 4-year, $700 price swing, you are actually making a statement about yourself. The statement is that you are a penny pinching hobbyist who likes to spend inordinate amounts of time on blogs to complain about the minutia of gadget specs. If you're not a professional, that's fine, maybe a 7D or 60D would be a better choice for you. Or just switch to Nikon. Doesn't sound like you have much invested in Canon, anyway. I'd love to see a survey of posters on this thread who even qualify for CPS.