Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price

[tivoboy]

Amazon Japan lists the body-only for ¥322,201, so at the current exchange rate this is $3,940, which makes the US price significantly lower than what it sells for in Japan.

various country pricing isn't really all about one country pricing and then exchange rate conversion. Companies will set an exchange rate level for the YEAR or even SEVERAL YEARS and stick with that. Current retail pricing and competition are actually much better gauges of what future pricing is going to be than simply Country A pricing and then conversion to other countries based on exchange rate.

Take a look at things like apple. International pricing is WAY higher than even the exchange rate would predict and even though USD$ and apple pricing power might get stronger/weaker, pricing doesn't change, it simply stays same or GOES up regardless.

Take a look at european import car pricing in the USA. Pricing has remained in the same lock-step up over time even though the strength of the dollar over the last 10-12 years has gone down 50%, then UP 100%, and now back down 25% and yet, a mercedes/bmw/audi/ferrari pricing has been simply steadily climbing over that time period.

 

[erfon]

That's actually not quite correct. The wheel still physically moves as it does on the Mark II, but now also includes the touch controls for video. And Thank God for that, I hate touch sensitive scrolling. It always makes it hard to select things and would be tough to impossible to use with gloves.

Look at 1:18, doesn't look like the wheel is moving to me. I know it has that lock switch below it, but it doesn't appear to be engaged.
Canon EOS 5D Mark III Preview by dpreview.com

Then at 1:31 in this video it refers to the wheel as "touch pad"
EOS 5D Mark III Walkaround COOL!

i've read other reviews though that specifically say the wheel now does both. plus he was controlling video volume levels, exactly what the touch sensitiviy was added for.

but think about this: if the wheel is purely touch sensitive, why does it have those grippy teeth on it still? if it was touch only wouldn't you think they'd take those off? teeth don't make sense when you're using a touch wheel that's supposed to be easy to slide your finger around.

While the rear command wheel turns as normal, making a clicking sound as it does, it also functions as a touch-sensitive d-pad for silent use when shooting video.

- hardware zone's review http://www.hardwarezone.com/tech-news-canon-5d-mark-iii-announced-brand-new-22mp-sensor-and-digic-5-processor

 

[tt]

That's actually not quite correct. The wheel still physically moves as it does on the Mark II, but now also includes the touch controls for video. And Thank God for that, I hate touch sensitive scrolling. It always makes it hard to select things and would be tough to impossible to use with gloves.

Look at 1:18, doesn't look like the wheel is moving to me. I know it has that lock switch below it, but it doesn't appear to be engaged.
Canon EOS 5D Mark III Preview by dpreview.com

Then at 1:31 in this video it refers to the wheel as "touch pad"
EOS 5D Mark III Walkaround COOL!

i've read other reviews though that specifically say the wheel now does both. plus he was controlling video volume levels, exactly what the touch sensitiviy was added for.

but think about this: if the wheel is purely touch sensitive, why does it have those grippy teeth on it still? if it was touch only wouldn't you think they'd take those off? teeth don't make sense when you're using a touch wheel that's supposed to be easy to slide your finger around.

While the rear command wheel turns as normal, making a clicking sound as it does, it also functions as a touch-sensitive d-pad for silent use when shooting video.

- hardware zone's review http://www.hardwarezone.com/tech-news-canon-5d-mark-iii-announced-brand-new-22mp-sensor-and-digic-5-processor

http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/5d3_hd_video_features.htmlp

Silent control with Quick Control Dial – during actual recording:
Both new high-end EOS models have a newly-engineered rear Quick Control Dial. In addition to its conventional rotational operation, a new touch-sensitive technology has been developed. This allows the video shooter to make selections of what he or she would like to adjust – ± exposure compensation, shutter speed or aperture adjustment, manual audio recording level, or ISO setting. And, by just lightly tapping on the left or right side of the inner surface of the Quick Control Dial, its new touch-sensitive capability lets users silently make these adjustments, without the audible "click" of normal dial rotation. Two steps are required: make sure Quick Control Dial/silent operation is active in the video shooting menu, and then during recording, press the "Q" button to call-up the on-screen displays. Tap up or down to select the option to be changed, tap left or right to actually change the setting.

 

[Mendolera]

Yeah I was a little disappointed in the Mark III price though I think its worth it price and feature wise. Coming from 4 year old XSI, I planned on going full frame for awhile now most like grabbing the Mark II after the price drop. Since its a hobby for me, I still couldn't quite convince myself to spend the 1750+ or so yet. Especially with upgrades to my house and other expenses.

However I really needed the upgrade and while I think the T4i is right around the corner (anyone notice the price drop straight from Canon on the T3i just like the 5D II) I ordered the 60D for only $630 through the CLP program today.. i know it lacks some prosumer features namely the AFMA but it is still a huge upgrade from where I was at.

I figure in a year from now the Mark II might be quite a bit less maybe even the III around Christmas so thats a possibility. I figure I could still get 450-500 for then for the 60D and im only down a couple hundred.

Plus Ive been really interested in doing some video with a 9 month old son ready to crawl/walk.. Otherwise may even considered a 5D classic

Ive heard people on this forum say it best or along these lines: you can always wait for the next best thing but then you miss capturing memories of your best thing

 

[Mendolera]

Plus who knows with Canons new pricing even the new rebel may come in at $1599 or so :

 

[Jamesy]

Plus who knows with Canons new pricing even the new rebel may come in at $1599 or so :

;D Would that include a kit lens???

 

[Drama79]

Silent control with Quick Control Dial – during actual recording:
Both new high-end EOS models have a newly-engineered rear Quick Control Dial. In addition to its conventional rotational operation, a new touch-sensitive technology has been developed. This allows the video shooter to make selections of what he or she would like to adjust – ± exposure compensation, shutter speed or aperture adjustment, manual audio recording level, or ISO setting. And, by just lightly tapping on the left or right side of the inner surface of the Quick Control Dial, its new touch-sensitive capability lets users silently make these adjustments, without the audible "click" of normal dial rotation. Two steps are required: make sure Quick Control Dial/silent operation is active in the video shooting menu, and then during recording, press the "Q" button to call-up the on-screen displays. Tap up or down to select the option to be changed, tap left or right to actually change the setting.

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I didn't realise this was how it was going to work when I ordered. This is excellent, excellent news. I can map ISO or audio volume to it. Hooray! Thanks for the share.

 

[Martin]

Say what you want but firstly I was disappointed with the priced bur after I saw a sample pics from both 5d3 and d800 I think I made my decision. Being honest, samples from canon looks like from kind of high mpix good compact camera. All look like after in camera pp, but even with ISO 200??? Where is sharpness, it looks like crap for me in 100%. After seeing those photos from Canon site i thought maybe it's only due to jpg, but i realize that some photos presented there where taken from RAWs and developed (animal). For me it looks very very bad. Then I took a look on d800 samples. Have a close look on hair, eyebrows, lashes. It's not only due to resolution guys. Take a honest look and judge. Unfortunately for me the 1 year with canon adventure probably finishes. I ll wait till some professional and unbiased reviews but from what I see know I think my decision has been already made. Please take a close look on all samples, and then enter a discussion. That's a huge disappointed for me, not even the price. I would be happy to hear some professional voices.

 

[rj79in]

Say what you want but firstly I was disappointed with the priced bur after I saw a sample pics from both 5d3 and d800 I think I made my decision. Being honest, samples from canon looks like from kind of high mpix good compact camera. All look like after in camera pp, but even with ISO 200??? Where is sharpness, it looks like crap for me in 100%. After seeing those photos from Canon site i thought maybe it's only due to jpg, but i realize that some photos presented there where taken from RAWs and developed (animal). For me it looks very very bad. Then I took a look on d800 samples. Have a close look on hair, eyebrows, lashes. It's not only due to resolution guys. Take a honest look and judge. Unfortunately for me the 1 year with canon adventure probably finishes. I ll wait till some professional and unbiased reviews but from what I see know I think my decision has been already made. Please take a close look on all samples, and then enter a discussion. That's a huge disappointed for me, not even the price. I would be happy to hear some professional voices.

You see what you want to see.

I've seen this "alleged ISO200" picture on a 50" screen and it appears fine ... unless you are talking of the Bengal Tiger pic shot at ISO3200 with EF400mm f/2.8L IS II USM + Extender EF2x III!

Maybe Canon and I have got a faulty pair of eyes ... couldn't say, I get mine tested ASAP! ;-)

 

[rj79in]

An Indian Perspective ...

* INR price not announced at product launch
* Pre-ordering not available
* 5D3 expected to hit stores by end of March

5D2 sells around for INR 130K (equivalent to USD 2,680) - the taxes don't help either, so I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. Have been saving for some time for this and the 24-70L II lens ... Indian prices don't change all that frequently, so it is a BUY ASAP - minus the lens though.

 

[rj79in]

Plus who knows with Canons new pricing even the new rebel may come in at $1599 or so :

;D Would that include a kit lens???

If so ... which one ;-) ... now don't get any ridiculous ideas ppl

 

[Martin]

OK. I've got 27" NEC Spectraview, do u think that a person with faulty eyes uses that kind of stuff? Doesn't really matter.

I judge only photos up to ISO 200. Take a closer look @ 100%.

Image 5, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13-is it sharp for you? That's a quality? Please don't be funny. Take a look on skin, clothes, eyes, lashes, hair. Than go for Nikon samples and have a comparison. It's not my eyes. Probably u see what u want, even having your eyes checked. I am not talking about small differences, I am talking about huge image quality gap.

 

[ippikiokami]

OK. I've got 27" NEC Spectraview, do u think that a person with faulty eyes uses that kind of stuff? Doesn't really matter.

I judge only photos up to ISO 200. Take a closer look @ 100%.

Image 5, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13-is it sharp for you? That's a quality? Please don't be funny. Take a look on skin, clothes, eyes, lashes, hair. Than go for Nikon samples and have a comparison. It's not my eyes. Probably u see what u want, even having your eyes checked. I am not talking about small differences, I am talking about huge image quality gap.

Not saying just you but for people who are that worried about it, wouldn't you want to see real raws with the latest version / firmware of the camera yourself before saying something that definitive?

 

[BillyBean]

Guys, take a look at this data courtesy of www.camelcamelcamel.com. This shows the price tracking of the EOS 7D after initial announcement in early September 2009 through to today. It shows price maintenance up until a certain point, then a dramatic re-adjustment. Sadly, the EOS 5dII doesn't show the same rapid decline, but what this says to me is that Canon does sometimes get initial prices totally wrong, and is forced to adjust them once initial demand subsides, in this case just a few months after announcement. So my option isn't in the above list, it is "I want an EOS 5D Mark III, and I'm willing to wait...but not forever!"

 

[rj79in]

OK. I've got 27" NEC Spectraview, do u think that a person with faulty eyes uses that kind of stuff? Doesn't really matter.

I judge only photos up to ISO 200. Take a closer look @ 100%.

Image 5, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13-is it sharp for you? That's a quality? Please don't be funny. Take a look on skin, clothes, eyes, lashes, hair. Than go for Nikon samples and have a comparison. It's not my eyes. Probably u see what u want, even having your eyes checked. I am not talking about small differences, I am talking about huge image quality gap.

A couple of quick points:

* Wait for real life pics to appear before passing judgement;
* IQ depends largely on the person behind the camera;
* Nikon samples ... no wildlife pics, no landscape pics bar one where the focus is on the flowers and not the background so I can't really compare ... ;
* Trees will be surely be softer than books stacked in a library;
* CANON Images do not mention whether shot in RAW or JPEG (notice the file size?) - though you may have a valid point why CANON would post basic JPEG as samples;
* The most valid comparison would come from shooting the same scene with both cameras otherwise it is comparing apples to oranges considering the variables involved;
* Bad marketing doesn't mean bad product - Hell Nikon's commercial in Bangkok was shot in part by a 5DMII http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3976.0.html;
* CANON may not be as stupid as you would like us to believe;

Being an ex-lawyer I could argue this to death but choose not to. I'm not one to slag off a product / person on the basis of 'samples' which are dependent on variables such as human beings behind the camera, choice of lens, choice of focal length, choice of focus point and what not.

Who am I to claim that 5DMIII is the best thing since sliced bread, but I can bet that it won't be as bad as you say. I notice you've slagged off the 5DMII to the extent of claiming that you stopped taking pics with it ... CMON ... with this prejudice, as I said, you are bound to see what you want to see ...

 

[Axilrod]

i've read other reviews though that specifically say the wheel now does both. plus he was controlling video volume levels, exactly what the touch sensitiviy was added for.

but think about this: if the wheel is purely touch sensitive, why does it have those grippy teeth on it still? if it was touch only wouldn't you think they'd take those off? teeth don't make sense when you're using a touch wheel that's supposed to be easy to slide your finger around.

Ok cool, I just couldn't find anything saying that it would spin and I didn't see anyone spinning them in the videos. It's nice to know that you can go either way, and aside from that quote you found everything was kind of unclear.

 

[Martin]

A couple of quick points:

* Wait for real life pics to appear before passing judgement;
* IQ depends largely on the person behind the camera;
* Nikon samples ... no wildlife pics, no landscape pics bar one where the focus is on the flowers and not the background so I can't really compare ... ;
* Trees will be surely be softer than books stacked in a library;
* CANON Images do not mention whether shot in RAW or JPEG (notice the file size?) - though you may have a valid point why CANON would post basic JPEG as samples;
* The most valid comparison would come from shooting the same scene with both cameras otherwise it is comparing apples to oranges considering the variables involved;
* Bad marketing doesn't mean bad product - Hell Nikon's commercial in Bangkok was shot in part by a 5DMII http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3976.0.html;
* CANON may not be as stupid as you would like us to believe;

Being an ex-lawyer I could argue this to death but choose not to. I'm not one to slag off a product / person on the basis of 'samples' which are dependent on variables such as human beings behind the camera, choice of lens, choice of focal length, choice of focus point and what not.

Who am I to claim that 5DMIII is the best thing since sliced bread, but I can bet that it won't be as bad as you say. I notice you've slagged off the 5DMII to the extent of claiming that you stopped taking pics with it ... CMON ... with this prejudice, as I said, you are bound to see what you want to see ...

Please don't judge me wrong. I did not like my ex 5d2 due to some things: terrible AF, 1/125 real x sync, no lamp supporting AF in dim light, terrible mattering (all images was underexposed, even checked it with my light meeter, but canon service stated it was ok) I just did not have such a problems with Nikon.
My judgment now is only based on samples provided by Canon. For me it is obvious that a company which brings such awaited product to market makes everything they can to show possibly best images. If this is it, they just did not convince me to stay with them. Of course i will probably wait to see the real tests and reviews, but from what I have seen so far, it's not worth even half of the money. All i need is a 5d2 with some tweeks and it seemed that that 5d3 was that kind of a stuff, however a close look (even just a look) on samples completely change my thinking. Samples look like a step back in quality. Samples are described with lens used, parameters, etc so u have this information. In my opinion it's not the person behind the camera, we don't judge the photos itself, but the quality, sharpness-which are connected only to to camera.

 

[ippikiokami]

A couple of quick points:

* Wait for real life pics to appear before passing judgement;
* IQ depends largely on the person behind the camera;
* Nikon samples ... no wildlife pics, no landscape pics bar one where the focus is on the flowers and not the background so I can't really compare ... ;
* Trees will be surely be softer than books stacked in a library;
* CANON Images do not mention whether shot in RAW or JPEG (notice the file size?) - though you may have a valid point why CANON would post basic JPEG as samples;
* The most valid comparison would come from shooting the same scene with both cameras otherwise it is comparing apples to oranges considering the variables involved;
* Bad marketing doesn't mean bad product - Hell Nikon's commercial in Bangkok was shot in part by a 5DMII http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3976.0.html;
* CANON may not be as stupid as you would like us to believe;

Being an ex-lawyer I could argue this to death but choose not to. I'm not one to slag off a product / person on the basis of 'samples' which are dependent on variables such as human beings behind the camera, choice of lens, choice of focal length, choice of focus point and what not.

Who am I to claim that 5DMIII is the best thing since sliced bread, but I can bet that it won't be as bad as you say. I notice you've slagged off the 5DMII to the extent of claiming that you stopped taking pics with it ... CMON ... with this prejudice, as I said, you are bound to see what you want to see ...

Please don't judge me wrong. I did not like my ex 5d2 due to some things: terrible AF, 1/125 real x sync, no lamp supporting AF in dim light, terrible mattering (all images was underexposed, even checked it with my light meeter, but canon service stated it was ok) I just did not have such a problems with Nikon.
My judgment now is only based on samples provided by Canon. For me it is obvious that a company which brings such awaited product to market makes everything they can to show possibly best images. If this is it, they just did not convince me to stay with them. Of course i will probably wait to see the real tests and reviews, but from what I have seen so far, it's not worth even half of the money. All i need is a 5d2 with some tweeks and it seemed that that 5d3 was that kind of a stuff, however a close look (even just a look) on samples completely change my thinking. Samples look like a step back in quality. Samples are described with lens used, parameters, etc so u have this information. In my opinion it's not the person behind the camera, we don't judge the photos itself, but the quality, sharpness-which are connected only to to camera.

Do you always judge cameras by the sample pics put on their marketing sites? There are a few 20+~ megapixel cameras that have been out in the market for awhile. Can you show me some pictures that directly compare to these samples that all is judged by in your book to illustrate the problems you find in the 5d III?

And in the end..

Honestly like the poster mentioned above. Do you think Canon would be as dumb to release a camera with IQ that is that much worse? I'm mind blown by some of these comments out there. And why does everyone throw away the fact that a 36mp sensor can possibly resolve detail better. Isn't that the reason why you have higher mp?

Also your problems with the 5d II....Most of those were obvious as soon as the specs were laid out (except your statement about metering). Never did canon say it had vastly improved AF from the 5d, or an AF assist lamp? If those type of things were so important that you would stop using an 5d II because of it why did you buy it in the first place?

 

[Cannon Man]

There is no way to make something better and still make it cheaper to the public.

I say better because this new camera is a"better class camera" not just an improvement.
Improved built quality, better weather sealing and improved AF makes it a better camera worh every penny!

You can still get the 5D II and get bang for your buck so dont cry when they make better product and give it the right price that it should have.

 

[rj79in]

A couple of quick points:

* Wait for real life pics to appear before passing judgement;
* IQ depends largely on the person behind the camera;
* Nikon samples ... no wildlife pics, no landscape pics bar one where the focus is on the flowers and not the background so I can't really compare ... ;
* Trees will be surely be softer than books stacked in a library;
* CANON Images do not mention whether shot in RAW or JPEG (notice the file size?) - though you may have a valid point why CANON would post basic JPEG as samples;
* The most valid comparison would come from shooting the same scene with both cameras otherwise it is comparing apples to oranges considering the variables involved;
* Bad marketing doesn't mean bad product - Hell Nikon's commercial in Bangkok was shot in part by a 5DMII http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3976.0.html;
* CANON may not be as stupid as you would like us to believe;

Being an ex-lawyer I could argue this to death but choose not to. I'm not one to slag off a product / person on the basis of 'samples' which are dependent on variables such as human beings behind the camera, choice of lens, choice of focal length, choice of focus point and what not.

Who am I to claim that 5DMIII is the best thing since sliced bread, but I can bet that it won't be as bad as you say. I notice you've slagged off the 5DMII to the extent of claiming that you stopped taking pics with it ... CMON ... with this prejudice, as I said, you are bound to see what you want to see ...

Please don't judge me wrong. I did not like my ex 5d2 due to some things: terrible AF, 1/125 real x sync, no lamp supporting AF in dim light, terrible mattering (all images was underexposed, even checked it with my light meeter, but canon service stated it was ok) I just did not have such a problems with Nikon.
My judgment now is only based on samples provided by Canon. For me it is obvious that a company which brings such awaited product to market makes everything they can to show possibly best images. If this is it, they just did not convince me to stay with them. Of course i will probably wait to see the real tests and reviews, but from what I have seen so far, it's not worth even half of the money. All i need is a 5d2 with some tweeks and it seemed that that 5d3 was that kind of a stuff, however a close look (even just a look) on samples completely change my thinking. Samples look like a step back in quality. Samples are described with lens used, parameters, etc so u have this information. In my opinion it's not the person behind the camera, we don't judge the photos itself, but the quality, sharpness-which are connected only to to camera.

Ok ... so we can agree to disagree.

Given the fact that you seem to have purchased the 5DII without any recce (I note that the problems mentioned by you were largely out in the open, so to speak), your apprehension towards the 5DIII seems understandable.

However, I am struggling to understand how can one judge the capability of the camera only by looking at 8-10 shots? I guess you are making the same mistake you did with the II, forming an opinion without actually testing the equipment yourself.

I've tried the Nikons myself in the field and can say that these are also very capable cameras. However, having shot with Canon for a considerable length of time, migrating to a new breed is just a step too far from me. As on date, using a Canon camera for me is as familiar as walking / driving and migrating to a whole new system for me is as improbable as is for Paul Scholes to play for Man City ... but this doesn't make Nikons to be bad cameras simply because I cannot adapt.

I remember the II getting all sorts of flak when it was announced but it went on to be one of the best cameras used worldwide. Can't wait to get my hands on the III.