I just reviewed the Canon 5DSr - Canon's best sensor yet.

[wockawocka]

Hi all, it's in two parts:

http://chrisgilesphotography.com/blog/the-canon-5dsr-their-best-yet-part-1-a-hands-on-practical-review-for-wedding-photography/

 

[Click]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing,

 

[Sabaki]

Thank you for this

I am not in the market for a 5DS but you offer fantastic insights from your working experiences and I'm always up for a lesson.

 

[Travelintrevor]

"Sure there are guys who will pull out MTF charts, quote DXOmark and do 100% pixel peeping but really it’s not that important. If we are serving clients, couples and people who want their lives and loves represented they aren’t going to give two craps about how much shadow recovery is in that tree bark."

THIS!

I am not surprised by the sensor. The 7D MK II is a HUGE step forward and much better than the 5D Mk III. I will be picking up the 5DsR once the price drops and it will replace my 5DMK III. Wish I could do it now but....moving cost a lot of money and we are in the middle of a move

Great review Chris!

Rudy

 

[drjlo]

This is a nice point of view from a full-time, working wedding photog, and I would never expect any of the Sony mirrorless bodies to meet such professional requirements, even the upcoming A7rII. The Sonies are great for those enthusiast/semi-pro-at-times shooters like me, but even then, lack of professional/service support and lack of decent TTL speedlites and/or wireless Sony triggers make things very difficult when conditions become tougher and lighting and time are in short supply.

 

[3kramd5]

Thanks for taking the time to put that together, Chris!

 

[kaihp]

Thanks for the review Chris.

There is one thing, though, that puzzles me. You write:

The 5D3 was good but imperfect in that I had a 12 shot raw only buffer which was ok but always seemed to fall short at the worst time. This was down to the write speed of the camera, fire a high speed burst on a 5D3 without cards and it keeps on shooting… and doesn’t stop. I wasn’t forever shooting in burst mode but I was always hitting the buffer.

What kind of memory cards and what type of situations are you running into this? I don't think I've ever run into the buffer limit, unless I was doing it to demonstrate it. FWIW, I'm also shooting RAW and I'm using Lexar 1000x CF cards which are pushing 95MB/s.

 

[Stu_bert]

But but but...

Without the AA filter, there will be moire everywhere on clothes! Just go and read threads elsewhere on here where people are terrified about the removal of the AA filter due to the prospects of uncorrectable moire.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not... I assume you are and you've read his review

Chris - thank you for posting a balanced review from someone who earns a living from their cameras.

 

[Stu_bert]

But but but...

Without the AA filter, there will be moire everywhere on clothes! Just go and read threads elsewhere on here where people are terrified about the removal of the AA filter due to the prospects of uncorrectable moire.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not... I assume you are and you've read his review

In a way, yes.

I've often posted saying that Canon should remove the AA filter but then get shouted down by many others here saying keep it in, without it moire, etc.

Now those folks are eating humble pie as the 5DsR gets rave reviews (for Canon) and appears to continue outselling(!) the 5Ds.

In which case, sorry, I would probably also want to point out to others the err of their ways

 

[bdunbar79]

But but but...

Without the AA filter, there will be moire everywhere on clothes! Just go and read threads elsewhere on here where people are terrified about the removal of the AA filter due to the prospects of uncorrectable moire.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not... I assume you are and you've read his review

In a way, yes.

I've often posted saying that Canon should remove the AA filter but then get shouted down by many others here saying keep it in, without it moire, etc.

Now those folks are eating humble pie as the 5DsR gets rave reviews (for Canon) and appears to continue outselling(!) the 5Ds.

Shouldn't "appears to continue" be supported with some kind of sales figures? How do you know Canon doesn't have a much smaller supply of 5DsR bodies vs. 5Ds? If there are 10,000 and 10,000 are sold, it sold out at that store. But if there are 20,000 5Ds's and 17,000 sell, it's not sold out but it sure sold a lot more.

You don't have any sales figures and you never will because Canon doesn't publish per camera sales figures. So it really doesn't prove anything.

 

[Stu_bert]

But but but...

Without the AA filter, there will be moire everywhere on clothes! Just go and read threads elsewhere on here where people are terrified about the removal of the AA filter due to the prospects of uncorrectable moire.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not... I assume you are and you've read his review

In a way, yes.

I've often posted saying that Canon should remove the AA filter but then get shouted down by many others here saying keep it in, without it moire, etc.

Now those folks are eating humble pie as the 5DsR gets rave reviews (for Canon) and appears to continue outselling(!) the 5Ds.

Shouldn't "appears to continue" be supported with some kind of sales figures? How do you know Canon doesn't have a much smaller supply of 5DsR bodies vs. 5Ds? If there are 10,000 and 10,000 are sold, it sold out at that store. But if there are 20,000 5Ds's and 17,000 sell, it's not sold out but it sure sold a lot more.

You don't have any sales figures and you never will because Canon doesn't publish per camera sales figures. So it really doesn't prove anything.

No it doesn't (prove anything).... the point we should take away is that shooting Weddings with the 5DsR by a professional photographer points to no issues with moire. Which is good news for people taking that sort of photography...

Interesting that Keith Cooper (northlight images) did his review of the 5Ds (on lum land) and chose this over the R as he was worried about moire on the architectural shots that he does a lot of... Not sure if he tested the R

Ultimately, if you're a Pro you should get a loan from Canon and decide which one works best for you. For everyone else, real world reviews by Pro's and non-Pro's provides useful information.

 

[scottkinfw]

I am looking to upgrade my 5d3 too, and this looks interesting, especially with the high ISO. I don't think it's quite right for fast action & wildlife photography. The improved faster af is exciting however. More pixels are nice too.

Sek

"Sure there are guys who will pull out MTF charts, quote DXOmark and do 100% pixel peeping but really it’s not that important. If we are serving clients, couples and people who want their lives and loves represented they aren’t going to give two craps about how much shadow recovery is in that tree bark."

THIS!

I am not surprised by the sensor. The 7D MK II is a HUGE step forward and much better than the 5D Mk III. I will be picking up the 5DsR once the price drops and it will replace my 5DMK III. Wish I could do it now but....moving cost a lot of money and we are in the middle of a move

Great review Chris!

Rudy

 

[wockawocka]

Thanks for the review Chris.

There is one thing, though, that puzzles me. You write:

The 5D3 was good but imperfect in that I had a 12 shot raw only buffer which was ok but always seemed to fall short at the worst time. This was down to the write speed of the camera, fire a high speed burst on a 5D3 without cards and it keeps on shooting… and doesn’t stop. I wasn’t forever shooting in burst mode but I was always hitting the buffer.

What kind of memory cards and what type of situations are you running into this? I don't think I've ever run into the buffer limit, unless I was doing it to demonstrate it. FWIW, I'm also shooting RAW and I'm using Lexar 1000x CF cards which are pushing 95MB/s.

I use the 95mb/s cards, (SD) and 120mb/s CF cards.

It's stuff like confetti. I usually has a line that I walk back through and it fills up ever so quick. People on bouncy castles and so on. I guess I was limited in describing the limits I hit. But I also do corporate stuff and the 1DX gets used for high speed capture but the 5DSr tends to give me enough to be happy.

I still wouldn't use the 5DSr for corporate or events as the mp is WAY too high for run and gun. But the 5D4(x) - possibly.

 

[expatinasia]

I use the 95mb/s cards, (SD) and 120mb/s CF cards.

It's stuff like confetti. I usually has a line that I walk back through and it fills up ever so quick. People on bouncy castles and so on. I guess I was limited in describing the limits I hit. But I also do corporate stuff and the 1DX gets used for high speed capture but the 5DSr tends to give me enough to be happy.

I still wouldn't use the 5DSr for corporate or events as the mp is WAY too high for run and gun. But the 5D4(x) - possibly.

Which cards? Lexar? Which model?

 

[kaihp]

What kind of memory cards and what type of situations are you running into this? I don't think I've ever run into the buffer limit, unless I was doing it to demonstrate it. FWIW, I'm also shooting RAW and I'm using Lexar 1000x CF cards which are pushing 95MB/s.

I use the 95mb/s cards, (SD) and 120mb/s CF cards.

It's stuff like confetti. I usually has a line that I walk back through and it fills up ever so quick. People on bouncy castles and so on. I guess I was limited in describing the limits I hit. But I also do corporate stuff and the 1DX gets used for high speed capture but the 5DSr tends to give me enough to be happy.

I still wouldn't use the 5DSr for corporate or events as the mp is WAY too high for run and gun. But the 5D4(x) - possibly.

Ah, got that. I can see how going through a line of people and having to take a portrait of each of them could fill your buffer pretty quickly. It's like shooting everyone coming over the goal line at a Marathon event - you just can't have too much buffer and card capacity.

 

[Ripley]

Great review - thank you.

 

[Maiaibing]

I still wouldn't use the 5DSr for corporate or events as the mp is WAY too high for run and gun. But the 5D4(x) - possibly.

Real life reviews for the 5Ds/r seem quite positive overall.

Canon got it right by making lossless crop modes available. Just turn the MP down with crop mode 1.6x. Enjoy!

 

[xxo04358]

Great review - thank you.

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[AlanF]

Last week, I was asked to copy a large, glazed artwork, with lots of fine detail and lettering. I did this with suitable lighting, standing far back so there was no reflection of me in the glass, using a 300mm f/2.8 lens. The details were noticeably sharper with the 5DSR than with the 5DIV (which I had first used until discovering a full-size printing was going to be done).

 

[TheJock]

An age old question by now, however; when cropping out half an image so you have the tiny bird fill the frame, is the 5DSr with that massive 50mp sensor any good?
IQ can become degraded when cropping heavily with the 5DIII, so this question is to the owners.
I now have a 600L (mark 1) and a 1.4xIII but there are some locations where I still have to crop heavily, so I'm interested in the answer to this.
Thanks in advance.