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duydaniel said:
Thats a great hook.
If you plan to.
Anybody with a DSLR who plans to live more than say 5 years, will probably be considering at some point a move forward with the latest tech.
135 / leica / minature format sensor DSLRs are great, some like the 5D3 seem really terrific, and the 1DX seems superlative.
So I have to agree, that really is sound advice. Go to a larger sensor DSLR.
Brilliant.
Thanks for that.
I hadn't realised before you made it clear.
I'm not going to follow your advice though.
135 / leica / minature format would give me a couple of problems.
1. I'd only really be able to stretch to a 6D or a used 5D2. (and I need better AF than that for my stills, ok needs a bit strong, would like.
2. I'd have to buy new lenses to cover my UWA and WA. Each at a cost similar to a very good cropped sensor body that my lenses already fit (this is on top of the cost of the 135 / leica / minature format body.
3. I would need 3 bodies to replicate what I have just now. None would have they very useful flip out screen like my 600D. None would fit in my pocket like the M. On a video shoot I usually have 2 x bodies, to save switching lenses all the time and for 2 angle interviews . So I would need at least 2x bodies.
So the cost is racking up, but heres one final operational difference which is a deal breaker for me..
I don't like 135 / leica / minature format bodies for video. The focusing becomes hyper critical. The APS-C format cameras are much easier to live with in my opinion. So even if the 135 / leica / minature format DSLRS weren't at least triple the price of a rebel, I still wouldn't be all that bothered about having one.
You love yours, health to use it, but it's a broad old church this photography lark, don't assume my needs are yours or vice versa. If I ask you what I should buy then feel free to give your advice, but it does smack of flaming and trolling to suddenly proclaim aloud in a must-read post that your way is the only way.
I've had a look through your posts and you're not generally a troll or flamer, this post seems like an abberation rather than the norm.
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brad-man said:
And even that is only true because Canon hasn't significantly changed their sensors in several years. If and when Canon decides to increase their megapixel count, it will again be worthwhile to upgrade, assuming you are taking pictures in bright enough light to actually usefully take advantage of the extra resolution.
What you will probably not get out of a crop body upgrade any time soon is dramatically better photos in low light at this point. Admittedly, there's at least a factor of two potential improvement in quantum efficiency, but actually achieving much more than a few percent is likely to require new materials.
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rs said:
Haha I knew from the title this was very fishy. I really can't disagree from anyone but this viewpoint so strongly put. I'm not a pro-tog or someone who makes a living off photography and so this really wouldn't help me. Upgrading from a rebel or aps-c sensor dslr, I don't totally disagree BUT what's wrong with them? If you are on a budget of some sort, you won't go out and buy a couple 5D3's or 1Dx's and 20k worth of lenses. In a fantasy world, heck I would buy that and more!
Anyways, and IQ... Seriously. You go medium format. You'll be happy.. I think. ill stay with the same 18mp sensor and not complain. I'm not gonna print something huge anyways.. My camera pulls some amazing photos! And 18 mp is MORE than enough. Someone say amen?? XD
Oh! And sensor is important but EVERYTHING else is important too! At least for me, ergonomics, fps, versatile, etc.. Like in a earlier discussion on eos-m.. It has the same sensor! (Well maybe not exactly) but its 18mp. Now if someone was to "upgrade" from an eos-m to a rebel or xxD series, I would push for it. That's an upgrade with the basic same 18mp sensor. I look at the overall general package. I think that's really important.
I sorta appreciate this kind of discussion.. Back to the basics. Don't disagree with the lens upgrade but I think you're wrong with the body upgrade.
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For what it's worth, canon have long since stopped selling rubbish EF only glass (kit f3.5-5.6 lenses) the 75-300's are probably the last you can buy new. Please note, I said 75-300's not 70-300's.
So it's good ef primes or decent entry level L zooms to start with.
It's also true that the APS-C cameras really sing with nice glass. The plastic EF-s kit lenses are now great value for what most hobby, occassional, family photographers need. Canon do a great job of producing kit that can give great results, with little technical aptitude for little money.
This is a sincere sentiment. And why 20 years after struggling to switch on my EOS 1000fn I'm still with the system.
If you have an APS-C camera, better glass will give you better images. Not rocket science that one, but it's true. And you needn't spend the earth. Fling in a nifty fifty or shorty forty. Move onto an 85 or 100mm fast prime as a treat.
Something that will bring your rebels AF to life.
The Big cameras ARE better, but if you can't get a good pic with nice glass on a rebel with the right settings then you are doing something wrong.
Hell, I've seen some folk with the best of gear getting dross results.
The call to spend on glass is usually good. The call to insist on 135 / leica / minature format is not. Not for everybody. For some folk photography is just an enjoyable passtime, regardless of how much money is spent on the kit. And a rebel is up to that expectation and far beyond.
So it's good ef primes or decent entry level L zooms to start with.
It's also true that the APS-C cameras really sing with nice glass. The plastic EF-s kit lenses are now great value for what most hobby, occassional, family photographers need. Canon do a great job of producing kit that can give great results, with little technical aptitude for little money.
This is a sincere sentiment. And why 20 years after struggling to switch on my EOS 1000fn I'm still with the system.
If you have an APS-C camera, better glass will give you better images. Not rocket science that one, but it's true. And you needn't spend the earth. Fling in a nifty fifty or shorty forty. Move onto an 85 or 100mm fast prime as a treat.
Something that will bring your rebels AF to life.
The Big cameras ARE better, but if you can't get a good pic with nice glass on a rebel with the right settings then you are doing something wrong.
Hell, I've seen some folk with the best of gear getting dross results.
The call to spend on glass is usually good. The call to insist on 135 / leica / minature format is not. Not for everybody. For some folk photography is just an enjoyable passtime, regardless of how much money is spent on the kit. And a rebel is up to that expectation and far beyond.
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If the OP wants the best IQ only, then the OP needs an 8x10 view camera with the best lenses and best wet darkroom or killer digital back-end. Cuz it's all about media size, right?
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I'm not even going to engage in this silliness, just to point out that this man is either an idiot or a troll.
Let's not encourage him, eh?
Let's not encourage him, eh?
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"Upgrading" from a 7D to a 6D to shoot sports is a horrible idea. I was shooting some action and it was a huge pain in the rear. I ended up having to shoot wide with the center point and crop. Action really benefits from the joystick and extra points/zones. The shots I did get look fantastic, but I had to shoot so many to get them. Fortunately, I almost never shoot action. I have the perfect camera for a convention shooter (who is poor) 
If action shooting is in my future, "downgrading" to a 7D2 is an option.
If action shooting is in my future, "downgrading" to a 7D2 is an option.
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Interesting opinion and statements. I agree that buying every new Rebel that comes out is not a good use of savings.
XXD's don't always warrant an automatic upgrade. I think my L glass purchases are on hold. I would like a 16-35 f2.8
but my 17-85 has gained new life thanks to my 7D which has made my error 99 - 40D a dusty paperweight. I shot 83
pics yesterday with my 7D and 17-85 and am quite happy with the pics that I got. I should have swapped with my 100
Macro when trying to take a pic of a spider on it's web. Oh well maybe next time. 17-85 is a good range for a walk around
zoom lens. A faster shutter speed and better optics would be nice. Are you listening Canon? Then I might consider a new
L lens purchase. I don't think I'll buy a new camera until the 7D wears out. I need a new all in one and maybe a new
Laptop. But the 70D is very interesting as an upgrade for my wife.
XXD's don't always warrant an automatic upgrade. I think my L glass purchases are on hold. I would like a 16-35 f2.8
but my 17-85 has gained new life thanks to my 7D which has made my error 99 - 40D a dusty paperweight. I shot 83
pics yesterday with my 7D and 17-85 and am quite happy with the pics that I got. I should have swapped with my 100
Macro when trying to take a pic of a spider on it's web. Oh well maybe next time. 17-85 is a good range for a walk around
zoom lens. A faster shutter speed and better optics would be nice. Are you listening Canon? Then I might consider a new
L lens purchase. I don't think I'll buy a new camera until the 7D wears out. I need a new all in one and maybe a new
Laptop. But the 70D is very interesting as an upgrade for my wife.
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duydaniel said:
I find it interesting that you "feel" the only factor that matters in a camera is the sensor size. I suppose that means by this logic, my upgrade from the 5D3 will be a camera with a larger sensor and I should avoid the 5D4, 5D5 and so on? As I said, interesting.
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I went from an xs to a 60d and even though my lone lens at the time was the nifty fifty, I was more than happy with the performance and my decision to upgrade.
could I have spent the money on lenses, yes, but the lenses I could afford at the time would have left me wanting more.
could I have spent the money on lenses, yes, but the lenses I could afford at the time would have left me wanting more.
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Daniel Flather said:
Don't waste your time.
It looks like the OP upgraded from a rebel to a 6D, and "thinks" that he knows what he is talking about.
But, in that perspective, moving from one rebel to the next is a waste of money, given that one can save his/her money and upgrade to a FF camera.
Even still, I am sure that he doesn't have a clue about what medium format and large format is... and I am very sure given that he seems money conservative that if he saw how much those guys cost especially in terms of their individual pieces, e.g. lenses, digital backs, etc... that he won't even give a second look.
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