Initial thoughts on the 5D4 after some use

[scyrene]

This I do not like:
Its a large JPEG straight out of the Camera, just cropped to keep the file size small. Pretty low light, the stones are properly exposed I think. Focus seems about OK, on the pebbles, but there is no detail whatsoever on the bird. OK, the bird is darker so somewhat underexposed. But there is just no information at all in the dark areas of the bird, just brown mush.
My error? Just not ETTR enough?

Cheers Brian

Okay a question - why are you shooting at f/13?

The bird is indistinct because a) it's moving, b) diffraction, c) noise reduction. Focus looks okay.

As other have said, lots of bird shots will be poor no matter what camera you use. What is the purpose of posting a single poor shot?

 

[tpatana]

This I do not like:
Its a large JPEG straight out of the Camera, just cropped to keep the file size small. Pretty low light, the stones are properly exposed I think. Focus seems about OK, on the pebbles, but there is no detail whatsoever on the bird. OK, the bird is darker so somewhat underexposed. But there is just no information at all in the dark areas of the bird, just brown mush.
My error? Just not ETTR enough?

Cheers Brian

I wonder if this is an in-camera thing concerning how much NR is applied to a L jpg, I haven't changed any such settings, and maybe the default is very aggressive? Couldn't find anything like that.
Cheers Brian

I don't know if this was meant as a joke or not, but the bird is clearly not sharp because he moved his body too fast for the shutter speed that you were using.

To further ask, is this joke or deliberate troll, since the camera does not have 1/750 setting. I have my camera here, after 640 the next is 800.

So was it shot at e.h. 1/250, and he manually fixed the exif to 750, and then wanted to troll/bash how bad the camera is? Or does 1/800 report as 750 for some reason?

And the picture is obviously motion blur. If you shoot birds and don't figure out that from the picture, you should go buy yourself T2i with kit lens. That'll fit the bird pictures better.

You can get 1/750 sec, just select 1/2 stop increments for adjustment rather than 1/3 stop increments. It is under custom functions and has been for many years on some models.

Learn something new every day. Just learned the special BBF-tricks on 5D4. Now this. I wonder what other stuff I should learn before the big show tonight in Seattle

No rush Some people told me to use my old body, especially as LR don't take 5D4 yet. But I want to take my new baby.... and being lazy I'll shooting jpeg so the workflow is not pain. Store the raws away for later edit if I some day need to go back.

 

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Initial feedback on birds in flight with the 5D4 + 100-400II + 1.4TCIII...

Good vibes. I was at a hawk watch this morning for only about 15 minutes. Didn't have much action, but here's an example of a tough one. Crow was coming in with bright background from a good distance. Picked him up about 1/4 mile away. This picture is just after he shied away at about 60-80 yards.

The 5D4 did pretty well focusing with all zones. Not as confident or zippy as with the bare lens, but the 1.4 TC didn't hinder either speed or image quality enough to make it a bad idea. I'm more excited to test it more...

 

[TominNJ]

I'm still experimenting but what I've found so far:

From taking pics of my young grandkids with a 70-200 2.8 II the autofocus is superb. The facial recognition software gets it right. Much higher success rate than the 5D III. Amazing detail with eyelashes and reflections in the eye. Huge improvement.

I took a few pics with high iso and that seems greatly improved but will have to wait to confirm. I'll do some testing today at a bowling alley. Should be interesting.

I shot a short video of my grandson and was impressed with the quality. I'm not a cinematographer and can't speak for everyone but this camera is more than enough for me when it comes to video. I will say that the audio was quiet. I need to tweak that setting and possibly look into an external mic.

AWB isn't great. I still need to pay attention to the color of the light and set it manually. I'm somewhat disappointed with this. It might get better using picture styles. Haven't tried that yet. WB can be corrected later so not a big deal.

I activated lens correction and it slows down the shooting. A lot. Enough to make it unusable for my impatient self in most situations. It will be interesting to see if it corrects coma in my 24/1.4 during astro shooting.

 

[cpsico]

I really love the files from this camera so far. This just a shot after sun down at iso 1600 standard picture style. All in camera noise reduction, enhancements disabled. Doing sunset shoots at 1600 should be a breeze with this camera. This is a 100 percent crop.

 

[bjd]

I took some shots of a new cruise ship going down a small river yesterday, last shots taken in total darkness
using ISO 10000, standard NR in DPP as suggested by DPP. I think they are OK, but I did still screw up by having some highlights blown out. The Camera and AF performed flawlessly, all errors were behind the Camera.
I was very happy with the Camera. If you are interested they are on Flickr:

Dusk over the Genting Dream by Diane and Brian Dorling, auf Flickr

Cheers Brian

 

[bjd]

Like everyone else I guess.

I can't wait to get a functioning version of Lightroom for this Camera...........
Dpp is very very clunky and slow.

Cheers Brian

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

I took some shots of a new cruise ship going down a small river yesterday, last shots taken in total darkness
using ISO 10000, standard NR in DPP as suggested by DPP. I think they are OK, but I did still screw up by having some highlights blown out. The Camera and AF performed flawlessly, all errors were behind the Camera.
I was very happy with the Camera. If you are interested they are on Flickr:

Dusk over the Genting Dream by Diane and Brian Dorling, auf Flickr

Cheers Brian

u said 10000 iso yet flickr says 6400 hmm

 

[bjd]

I took some shots of a new cruise ship going down a small river yesterday, last shots taken in total darkness
using ISO 10000, standard NR in DPP as suggested by DPP. I think they are OK, but I did still screw up by having some highlights blown out. The Camera and AF performed flawlessly, all errors were behind the Camera.
I was very happy with the Camera. If you are interested they are on Flickr:

Dusk over the Genting Dream by Diane and Brian Dorling, auf Flickr


Cheers Brian

u said 10000 iso yet flickr says 6400 hmm

On Flickr there are various ISO shots, including some at 10,000. The one that I linked to here is 6400.
Cheers

 

[Silverstream]

Like everyone else I guess.

I can't wait to get a functioning version of Lightroom for this Camera...........
Dpp is very very clunky and slow.

Cheers Brian

I would pay to have someone call me the moment the LR update is available!!! I shot a fashion show the day they were released on the 8th and still haven't finished working my way through it because DPP takes so much longer. Also, the NR is not the best although the color noise reduction does work well (seems like more color noise than on the 5dmkIII). Also reducing exposure and particularly highlights produces a weird color shift when you push it. But I can't stop using the camera generally because the results rock. I check every day now for the LR update. I'm hoping they don't have to wait till they figure out Dual pixel raw format. I'll happily shoot as much stuff as possible without that.

 

[tpatana]

I would pay to have someone call me the moment the LR update is available!!!

What's your number?

You owe me $10.

 

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Adobe says (and I've confirmed with the updated Lightroom software) that it downloads DP RAWs, but treats them only as RAW files. No special tricks, and no suggestion that they're working on tricking it out further.

SO relieved to have Lightroom compatibility again. DPP was so awkward, I just show JPG these past couple of weeks.

 

[dtgphoto]

I'm just loving the 5D4...

 

[bjd]

Adobe says (and I've confirmed with the updated Lightroom software) that it downloads DP RAWs, but treats them only as RAW files. No special tricks, and no suggestion that they're working on tricking it out further.

SO relieved to have Lightroom compatibility again. DPP was so awkward, I just show JPG these past couple of weeks.

So fabulous to just be able to work normally on the files again! Phew! I assume full DpRaw will come in LR sometime. But I can wait now LR does everything else.
Cheers Brian

 

[bjd]

I'm just loving the 5D4...

And even getting "acceptable" results already ;-)
I think that is a great shot.
Cheers Brian

 

[bjd]

Constructive advice needed, please.
Shooting conditions sunday evening were difficult due to a large crowd, the darkness, the very bright LED lights on the side of the cruise Liner, and its normal lighting. So, I also tried bracketing some shots, most done by adjusting exposure time and not ISO. I've included a sample shot that was the least exposed.
For me the histogram shows at the right some overexposure, but no clipping at the left. I was worried about reducing the exposure even further to get rid of all overexposure and ending up with the rest of the photo being nearly black. For me the most obvious overexposure is on the funnel. Being too dark I was worried about noise if I lightened up the shadows to get some detail at least.
Is there any solution in such extreme lighting conditions?
HDR or EDR or IDR with multiple shots is out of the question really due to noise and the ship moving.
So what would the professionals do?
Cheers Brain

 

[dtgphoto]

I'm just loving the 5D4...

And even getting "acceptable" results already ;-)
I think that is a great shot.
Cheers Brian

Thanks Brian.

I just blown away with it tbh. I have come from 70d rather than most of you that have been using the 5d in previous guises but the detail in both highlights and shadows is immense. It is possible to take them to unreal extremes without noise.

That shot was shadows pushed up and some dehaze and contrast but very little else.

 

[YuengLinger]

tiggy, thanks for starting one of the very best threads in months!

bjd, please, stick to the OP's topic, helpful insights on Canon's newest. You can start other threads with questions on how to achieve results with settings, techniques, and post processing.

 

[Danzig]

This I do not like:
Its a large JPEG straight out of the Camera, just cropped to keep the file size small. Pretty low light, the stones are properly exposed I think. Focus seems about OK, on the pebbles, but there is no detail whatsoever on the bird. OK, the bird is darker so somewhat underexposed. But there is just no information at all in the dark areas of the bird, just brown mush.
My error? Just not ETTR enough?

Cheers Brian

The only person who could miss with this gun, is the sucker with the bread to buy it.

 

[YuengLinger]

This I do not like:
Its a large JPEG straight out of the Camera, just cropped to keep the file size small. Pretty low light, the stones are properly exposed I think. Focus seems about OK, on the pebbles, but there is no detail whatsoever on the bird. OK, the bird is darker so somewhat underexposed. But there is just no information at all in the dark areas of the bird, just brown mush.
My error? Just not ETTR enough?

Cheers Brian

The only person who could miss with this gun, is the sucker with the bread to buy it.

So this is your insight, the one worth sharing with thousands of other photographers...after how long using the 5D4? Nice first post under this name!