Interesting... World Cup and no snapshots of rumored 7D2?

[Khufu]

I really don't think... er, sheesh.

A guy gets a job. He shoots pictures with the camera he's told to because that's what the job is. I don't think he's told to do another guys job, such as shooting press photography, because his job is to use the new camera and try and take pretty pictures with it for his boss who made the camera, not pictures for the press... it makes sense in my head. Am I saying it wrong?

 

[Khufu]

Ha, snap, Don!... You beat me to it

 

[Don Haines]

I really don't think... er, sheesh.

A guy gets a job. He shoots pictures with the camera he's told to because that's what the job is. I don't think he's told to do another guys job, such as shooting press photography, because his job is to use the new camera and try and take pretty pictures with it for his boss who made the camera, not pictures for the press... it makes sense in my head. Am I saying it wrong?

+1

 

[expatinasia]

If I am paid by Canon to take pictures with a 7D2, that is what I will do. If I am paid to use a GoPro or an iPhone, then that's what I will use.

The goal is not to take great pictures at the world cup, it is to take great pictures with a 7D2 at the world cup.

Of course. How many of those people do you think there are? Very, very few. Getting accreditation for these things is very tough, I know I have to go through the process a lot, but I have never, ever, met someone "working" for Canon. The next event I am at Canon will be there, they have already been informed I will be there (along with hundreds presumably of other CPS/media members) but I am not paid by them, nor will I use something that does not meet my needs.

 

[Khufu]

They're a fairly large company, these Canon folk, I bet they have at least 5 or 6 employees, whether we've met them or not. One of them might even try out the cameras before they market them around the world...

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve anymore, expat, but we can tell you Canon have no employees and the first person to pick up a 7D2 from Walmart is the first person ever to shoot one, if it makes you feel better?

 

[expatinasia]

Not trying to achieve anything on CR, Khufu. Of course Canon tests their cameras, that does not mean pros test them at events like the World Cup.

 

[privatebydesign]

I have never heard of an agency insisting a photographer use a test body, ever. Especially an inferior model to what they most likely have.

Those photographers will generally tend to use the best they can get their hands on. The 1D X.

Like I said earlier, I cover a lot of int. sporting events and will be at another soon. Canon will be there I already know that, but I won't be touching anything other than a 1D X for my main pictures. If Canon wants me to test it I will, I will take it to a pub cricket match or a Sunday football game, but it won't be used to take my "work" pictures.

Every Getty and AP photographer is issued their gear, they use what they are issued, if Canon and Getty did a deal then Getty photographers will be issued 7D MkII's, not exclusively, but they will be using them. Canon don't give a damn about freelances and stringers like you (and I used to be), if they are not dealing with a big agency then the Explorers of Light and a very few notable up and comers will be lent them with very strict instructions and NDA's.

To be sure, Getty and/or AP might only take 10 test bodies and use 200 bodies or more, but the decisions are made way above the photographers heads.

 

[Don Haines]

Getting accreditation for these things is very tough, I know I have to go through the process a lot, but I have never, ever, met someone "working" for Canon.

That's funny... I have

and when you have a $100,000,000 advertising budget and have set up technical services to support a couple of hundred "pros" working the event, I am sure that you have no problems getting a few of your people into the mix.

 

[expatinasia]

Every Getty and AP photographer is issued their gear, they use what they are issued, if Canon and Getty did a deal then Getty photographers will be issued 7D MkII's, not exclusively, but they will be using them. Canon don't give a damn about freelances and stringers like you (and I used to be), if they are not dealing with a big agency then the Explorers of Light and a very few notable up and comers will be lent them with very strict instructions and NDA's.

To be sure, Getty and/or AP might only take 10 test bodies and use 200 bodies or more, but the decisions are made way above the photographers heads.

I am not a freelancer, and am not sure what a stringer is, but I doubt I am one of them too.

The guys I know that work for the agencies choose the gear they use. In fact most have their own stuff too.

 

[expatinasia]

Getting accreditation for these things is very tough, I know I have to go through the process a lot, but I have never, ever, met someone "working" for Canon.

That's funny... I have

and when you have a $100,000,000 advertising budget and have set up technical services to support a couple of hundred "pros" working the event, I am sure that you have no problems getting a few of your people into the mix.

Good. Not sure why it is funny though. If you are a sponsor with a $100,000,000 I am pretty sure you could get whatever you asked for.

 

[privatebydesign]

Not trying to achieve anything on CR, Khufu. Of course Canon tests their cameras, that does not mean pros test them at events like the World Cup.

Yes they do, they test them at the Olympics, The Open, Wimbledon and a myriad of other A level sporting events.

 

[privatebydesign]

Every Getty and AP photographer is issued their gear, they use what they are issued, if Canon and Getty did a deal then Getty photographers will be issued 7D MkII's, not exclusively, but they will be using them. Canon don't give a damn about freelances and stringers like you (and I used to be), if they are not dealing with a big agency then the Explorers of Light and a very few notable up and comers will be lent them with very strict instructions and NDA's.

To be sure, Getty and/or AP might only take 10 test bodies and use 200 bodies or more, but the decisions are made way above the photographers heads.

I am not a freelancer, and am not sure what a stringer is, but I doubt I am one of them too.

The guys I know that work for the agencies choose the gear they use. In fact most have their own stuff too.

Wow, that is enough for me......................

 

[Don Haines]

Getting accreditation for these things is very tough, I know I have to go through the process a lot, but I have never, ever, met someone "working" for Canon.

That's funny... I have

and when you have a $100,000,000 advertising budget and have set up technical services to support a couple of hundred "pros" working the event, I am sure that you have no problems getting a few of your people into the mix.

Good. Not sure why it is funny though. If you are a sponsor with a $100,000,000 I am pretty sure you could get whatever you asked for.

It's funny because he was from Canon, it was cameras, but not consumer cameras....

 

[dslrdummy]

I seem to recall the 200-400 f/1.4 + 1.4ext was "tested' at the London Olympics - presumably not because the photographers who prefer faster lenses necessarily chose to but because that's what their employers/sponsors gave them to shoot with. I know at least one (Jeff Cable) who used it because he was asked to although he prefers shooting at f/2.8. It's not outrageous to suggest the same could happen with the 7Dii, not as a primary body perhaps but as an extra body.

 

[expatinasia]

It's funny because he was from Canon, it was cameras, but not consumer cameras....

Sorry, I do not understand.

Anyway, I like CR - and I also appreciate the input and contributions of you (Don Haines) as well as you(privatebydesign) to the forum and community. I have learned a lot from the both of you, and I do not want to degrade my experience here, so I will not post any more in this thread. Thanks.

dslrdummy - Testing a lens, especially one as amazing as the 200-400 1.4x is not the same as testing a body.

 

[Don Haines]

It's funny because he was from Canon, it was cameras, but not consumer cameras....

Sorry, I do not understand.

Anyway, I like CR - and I also appreciate the input and contributions of you (Don Haines) as well as you(privatebydesign) to the forum and community. I have learned a lot from the both of you, and I do not want to degrade my experience here, so I will not post any more in this thread. Thanks.

And I appreciate your postings and have learned a lot from you too. I like the fact that we can have a difference of opinion and remain civil to each other... something that seems to be getting rare online.

 

[privatebydesign]

It's funny because he was from Canon, it was cameras, but not consumer cameras....

Sorry, I do not understand.

Anyway, I like CR - and I also appreciate the input and contributions of you (Don Haines) as well as you(privatebydesign) to the forum and community. I have learned a lot from the both of you, and I do not want to degrade my experience here, so I will not post any more in this thread. Thanks.

And I appreciate your postings and have learned a lot from you too. I like the fact that we can have a difference of opinion and remain civil to each other... something that seems to be getting rare online.

I agree too, motion carried

 

[bdunbar79]

I totally agree that the 7D2 will be a great action photography camera. I wonder how the ISO performance will be vs. the 1D4.

 

[kennephoto]

I totally agree that the 7D2 will be a great action photography camera. I wonder how the ISO performance will be vs. the 1D4.

This is what I am wondering too. I keep waiting for the 7d2 as a possible replacement for my 1d3 but I'm still looking at the 1d4 as well.

 

[Hannes]

I seem to recall the 200-400 f/1.4 + 1.4ext was "tested' at the London Olympics - presumably not because the photographers who prefer faster lenses necessarily chose to but because that's what their employers/sponsors gave them to shoot with. I know at least one (Jeff Cable) who used it because he was asked to although he prefers shooting at f/2.8. It's not outrageous to suggest the same could happen with the 7Dii, not as a primary body perhaps but as an extra body.

Testing a lens like this is not the same as testing a new body. The 200-400 offered canon shooters something completely new that didn't exist before this and in ways were a step up from what they already had with their superteles. What would the 7DII offer that is not available with a 1DX?