Interview With Canon at CP+

[AvTvM]

yes some people are still buying Canon mirrorslappers, because they
A) really need what currently mirrorslappers can do better and where size does not matter much, because tele lenses are used ... action/field sports, BIF, plane spotting, etc.
B) don't know any better ... and believe bigger camera+mirrorslap = better ["snapshooters", many rebel buyers]
C) don't like small cameras since they got Trump-sized hands ... yes, anecdotal

But most importantly:
D) because there are no [FF] or no worthwhile [APS_C] mirrorless systems on offer by either Canon or Nikon. Fact.

 

[Loswr]

yes some the majority of people are still buying Canon mirrorslappers

Fixed that for you.

But most importantly:
D) because there are no [FF] or no worthwhile [APS_C] mirrorless systems on offer by either Canon or Nikon. Fact.

But how can 'D' be? There's all this *significant* and *humongous* pent up demand for FF / high-end APS-C MILCs, everyone knows it, Canon and Nikon obviously must know it. Why oh why haven't they delivered them? Perhaps because they

A) love the sound of slapping mirrors too much to abandon them
B) lack the technology to produce mirrorless cameras
C) are just plain stupid

Or far more likely:
D) perform market research to gather actual data and they know a helluva of a lot more about the ILC market than you do, and they have decided not to pursue FF / high-end APS-C MILCs at this time because it makes the most fiscal sense.

 

[AvTvM]

D) is because Nikon and Canon executives *believe they got Trump-sized hands*

and yes, probably they do love all sorts of mechanical sh*t in their cameras flailing, thrashing,bouncing, clacking, slapping mirrors, submirrors, sub-sub-mirrors in their cameras. Even if they don't always seem to have them under control ... 5D and 1D III come to mind.

My *guess* ... or if you prefer, my "starting hypothesis": because those old beancounter-minded f*rts at the helm of Canon and Nikon are to old and clueless about the digital world. When they were boys they probably aspired to a german Leica camera, as the Canon copycat founder did.

 

[Loswr]

D) is because Nikon and Canon executives *believe they got Trump-sized hands*

and yes, probably they do love all sorts of mechanical sh*t in their cameras flailing, thrashing,bouncing, clacking, slapping mirrors, submirrors, sub-sub-mirrors in their cameras. Even if don't always have them under control .. 5D and 1D III come to mind.

Generally it is because those folks at Canon and Nikon are to old and clueless about the digital world.

Yeah, all that explains the current state of the ILC market just perfectly. Your head must really hurt from all the mirrorslaps to it.

 

[Refurb7]

@Refurb7

As everybody on this forum knows, my first wish were Canon to finally launch a EOS-"M4" with a fully competitive sensor, a built-in EVF, an AF system capable of tracking moving subjects and decent battery charge. On top of all the virtues the existing EOS M system brings to the party. From EOS User Interface (not Powershot firmware!) to touchscreen. And of course EF-M mount and those great, small, inexpensive EF-M lenses plus EF-M/EF adapter.

That wish however, is constantly ridiculed by some notorious fanboys on this Canon forum.

Second "wish" ... or in market economy terms: "demand" (!) is for a Canon FF-sensored MILC system at least as capable as Sony's A7 II series plus FE lenses.

Again confiormed by this interview: Canon is unwilling and currently also *technologically* unable to satisfy that market demand, so competitors are frolicking as their offerings get more attention, love and most importantly sales.

A good number of my "photo enthusiast" friends have already moved from Canon and Nikon mirrorslappers to Sony or Fuji mirrorless. Many others - myself included - have not switched yet but are holding off buying anything more from Canon (or Nikon) - no 5D IV (yet another mirrorslapper), no EF-/L glass, and definitely no sub-par and "powershoddy" ... EOS M2, M3, M10.

If mirrorless is so important to you, why does it have to be Canon? It seems the market already offers a wide selection of mirrorless for you. What's your delay in moving to Sony/Fuji/Olympus?

And what's with the "mirrorslapper" name? It bothers you THAT much that there's a mirror inside a camera, so you have to give the camera a silly name? I appreciate the always-on lag-free power-saving optical viewfinder. Thank goodness for the mirror that enables that. The fact that it moves for a fraction of a second is of absolutely no consequence for nearly all shutter speeds that I'm likely to use. If the mirror were such a problem, I would have switched to rangefinder cameras decades ago.

 

[Loswr]

As everybody on this forum knows, my first wish were Canon to finally launch a EOS-"M4" with a fully competitive sensor, a built-in EVF, an AF system capable of tracking moving subjects and decent battery charge.

If mirrorless is so important to you, why does it have to be Canon?

Probably becuase he's a wanking Canon fanboy who prefers mirrorless for his canon because he only needs a box with a very short flange distance. ;D

 

[3kramd5]

If mirrorless is so important to you, why does it have to be Canon? It seems the market already offers a wide selection of mirrorless for you. What's your delay in moving to Sony/Fuji/Olympus?

The bulk of the canon system is compelling. Great lenses, great speedlights, great bodies, great support (obviously this depends on where you are located), and most everything works well together. Other systems aren't as complete, or feel very disjointed and poorly planned (sony). I am guessing AvTvM isn't willing to trade all the good canon offers in favor of one or two desires (small and mirrorless), when the bulk of his dream system (including things like a 4K EVF, dust tight 1 and meter waterproofing in spite of a fully articulated LCD, autofocus-only (no MF), eye control, etc) isn't offered anywhere.

Personally, My paid work is all canon - if someone hires me to man a camera, I won't risk using a system which hasn't earned my trust. I have sold plenty of photos I took with other systems of kludges (like sony bodies with metabones adapters holding canon lenses), but they were photos I took on my own time.

 

[AvTvM]

If mirrorless is so important to you, why does it have to be Canon? It seems the market already offers a wide selection of mirrorless for you. What's your delay in moving to Sony/Fuji/Olympus?

The bulk of the canon system is compelling. Great lenses, great speedlights, great bodies, great support (obviously this depends on where you are located), and most everything works well together. Other systems aren't as complete, or feel very disjointed and poorly planned (sony). I am guessing AvTvM isn't willing to trade all the good canon offers in favor of one or two desires (small and mirrorless), when the bulk of his dream system (including things like a 4K EVF, dust tight 1 and meter waterproofing in spite of a fully articulated LCD, autofocus-only (no MF), eye control, etc) isn't offered anywhere.

Personally, My paid work is all canon - if someone hires me to man a camera, I won't risk using a system which hasn't earned my trust. I have sold plenty of photos I took with other systems of kludges (like sony bodies with metabones adapters holding canon lenses), but they were photos I took on my own time.

Thanks. Exactly.
Plus I do prefer the Canon EOS user interface (but not Powershot).
EOS with Canon Eye Control AF v2.0 it would really be as perfect for me as it gets. 8)

ah, but least I forget: wireless ETTL protocol should finally allow for 2nd curtain sync. That's long overdue, Canon RT system's usefulness notwithstanding. Plus RT remote control for zoom relector on speedlites buried deep in some lightformer.