Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?

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#42
sweet mother of all the gods . . . this is the most confusing situation . . . one thing i am wondering is if people are using the most recent version of DPP. supposedly, canon have this lens correction tool that UNDOES the optical low pass blurring:

The EOS 5D Mark III comes complete with the most advanced version of Digital Photo Professional (DPP) yet – Canon’s free, in-box software enabling high-speed, high quality processing of RAW images. New in DPP v3.11 is Digital Lens Optimizer – a revolutionary new tool designed to drastically improve image resolution.

Digital Lens Optimizer (DLO) precisely imitates lens performance, with a series of complex mathematical functions replicating each stage of the journey of light through the optical path. Using this information DLO can correct a range of typical optical aberrations and loss of resolution caused by a camera’s low pass filter, by applying an inverse function to each shot to take the image nearer to how the scene appears to the naked eye. This creates exceptionally detailed, high-quality images with highly manageable file sizes, providing photographers with maximum image quality and greater flexibility.


this came from the press release posted on northlight-images http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d3.html

it would be a SLIGHT tedium to have to do this for every image, rather than having the images just come out "singing" (as Philip Bloom put it in his review), but if the end product is fabulous, i wouldn't mind. we all do a certain degree of digital darkroom work. no big deal.

anyway . . . i am really hungry for some detailed reviews on the mark iii and the d800. the fact that nikon lenses can be so hard to get hold of makes me reluctant to go with a d800. but i sure hope to hear more positive, less conflicting news about the mark iii. maybe i'll just go with a mark ii.

BUT, the question stands: are you all using the new software, and specifically its lens correction feature (DLO)? or are we saying that the software is not doing what the press release claimed?
 
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#44
Alker said:
Yes I like that...

In all the years me and a lot of other photographers were able to make TOP quality images with Canon equipment.

I have had it will all the complains about Canon.
Sell everything and buy another brand and see what happens then.
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Well, why are you here and not shooting film then?

It's not the features I'm complaining about, it's the fact that Canon promises something, and it's not how it is in real life. I'm seriously tired of vapor-ware...

Are you seriously saying the 1d3 was great? Are you saying I, and all others, are wrong in what I stated above? Look around this forum and 5d3 news.. It is things to be concerned about, and when we pay for a product to be a certain way, like the sharpness and overall IQ of the 5d3 being better than the 5d2, isn't that expected?? It's also increased in price and have a HUGE list of what has improved... Isn't it a little strange that many things seem better with the 5d2 then? NO ONE expects to pay a hefty price for a new product, replacing their old, to do LESS...

I have seen fantastic images shot by Iphones, this isn't about that, this is about me and other people paying Canon ten's of thousands of dollars based on what they say a product can do, and it doesn't deliever.

Wouldn't you feel rather miffed if you paid ten grand for a bag of sugar instead of cocaine? Yes, it would get you a bit more awake, but it wouldn't excatly be what you expected now would it?

And by being a yes-man, nothing improves.
 
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#46
I have to be honest, reading all these posts, I am so disappointed with Canon, it feels that the 5D mark 3 was a complete rush job, no way has that camera been developed over 4 years, I have been on this website/forum for the last 8 months waiting for news of this camera, and I am shocked at the quality of the images, mainly at how soft they were, I was super happy with the AF, and that's all I wanted, but not to be softer than the mark2, I dont know if this is peoples models or it can be fixed, but I am in no way buying this camera untill I see a fix,
 
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#48
wickidwombat said:
Viggo said:
And further back , the 1d mkIII with it's incredibly usless AF-system.
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I've got a late model 1Dmk3 and its AF is great never had a problem with it or are you refering to the debacle of the new release models?
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I just listed it as one of the big misses Canon has done. And the 1d3 is the reason why Nikon have the amount of users they have in the pro market today. They did something great with the D3 and Canon screwed up. They said so themselves along with people like me who used them, so it's not a secret exactly...

Ever since then, buying a Canon camera doesn't give me the same faith in it as it used to do from the 350d and up. I used to know it was the best in it's class, and they worked. Now I get a feeling, ooo, should I get one or not, maybe it sucks.. When you pay 7000 dollars or whatever, that's not good. And this is, again, not just me, but a general opinion around.

Again, I'm not saying you can't shot a award-winning image with a 1d3, I'm saying it was never the camera I paid for and Canon said it would be.... It's the feel of being ripped off that bugs me.
 
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#49
The reason I don't "sell it all and buy another brand" is simply because when the Canon-gear does what it's suppose to, nothing comes even close. That's why I'm upset, because it (5d3) has the potential of being a truly remarkable camera that will live up to the legendary statur of the 5d and 5d2, I'm just not seeing that now with all the issues.

How would you feel if you bought a sweet Ferrari and it went pretty good, but the old one was faster and sharper around the cornes, does it help that a bunch of people on a forum said, Yeah they will fix it, we hope.... Neh.. It should work when you turn the key and go like nuts, why? Cuz that's why you paid 200.000 dollars and it says FERRARI on it......
 
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#50
Viggo said:
The reason I don't "sell it all and buy another brand" is simply because when the Canon-gear does what it's suppose to, nothing comes even close. That's why I'm upset, because it (5d3) has the potential of being a truly remarkable camera that will live up to the legendary statur of the 5d and 5d2, I'm just not seeing that now with all the issues.

How would you feel if you bought a sweet Ferrari and it went pretty good, but the old one was faster and sharper around the cornes, does it help that a bunch of people on a forum said, Yeah they will fix it, we hope.... Neh.. It should work when you turn the key and go like nuts, why? Cuz that's why you paid 200.000 dollars and it says FERRARI on it......
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Viggo I completely agree,
 
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#52
albertocanetta said:
I did my test with the newest version of DDP. DLO doesn't affect the sharpness result.
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That's your problem right there. Everyone knows dpp is buggy. Using dpp and critiquing photos. Based off it is like filling your sports car with Mexican gas and wonder why it spurts. You can switch dpp to faster processing, it does a better job than high quality which can give you better results but I think your being premature sending ur camera back until canon fixes dpp.
 
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#53
From the week I have had with the 5Dmk3 I can safely say I feel the sensor is fantastic. At narrow apertures and shooting with strobes the images are razor sharp.

open up that aperture and shoot ambient light on my copy and it all goes to hell. My copy definately has a nutty AF, i am glad many others are reporting joy with theirs so I'll see if I can get another copy and give it a whirl.

I'd rather have the 5Dmk2 AF over the AF on my copy of the 5Dmk3 (at least I can rely on the center point of on that camer!)

I'm a bit disapointed, taking it back today I hope I can get a replacement within a week sinc ei'm going overseas and would like to use the mk3
 
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#54
wickidwombat said:
From the week I have had with the 5Dmk3 I can safely say I feel the sensor is fantastic. At narrow apertures and shooting with strobes the images are razor sharp.

open up that aperture and shoot ambient light on my copy and it all goes to hell. My copy definately has a nutty AF, i am glad many others are reporting joy with theirs so I'll see if I can get another copy and give it a whirl.

I'd rather have the 5Dmk2 AF over the AF on my copy of the 5Dmk3 (at least I can rely on the center point of on that camer!)

I'm a bit disapointed, taking it back today I hope I can get a replacement within a week sinc ei'm going overseas and would like to use the mk3
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What the hell is going on? I don't own 5d3 so I can't discuss these issues but what? Reading some beginners' impressions I hoped they are wrong. But Wombat has the same? 1dx so late (it will be half a year from announcement in several days) and all those issues with 5d3? What's wrong with Canon?
 
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#55
I generally have no interest in these pissing matches... But I love my new camera.

I just let the images speak for themselves. I wasn't shooting a Mark II before, but I was shooting a 7D.. a damn fine camera IMO, and this Mark III is an excellent addition to my camera kit. Is it sharp? I'm not claiming to be the best photographer ever, but have a look at the full res of these and see if you think it's sharp. And keep in mind that's the DO 400mm lens which isn't the sharpest in comparison to the other 400mm.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/oohem/6891027328/#in/photostream/lightbox/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oohem/6891027424/#in/photostream/lightbox/

They do the job for me. I have always followed the same rules with buying things.. if it doesn't make you happy, return or sell it. Looking for people to make up your mind for you, or convince you either way isn't really the best approach IMO. Grab the camera, go shoot, and either return it or keep it. Buyers remorse can be a real bitch on a $4k camera, car, house, boat, etc... You are the only one who needs to be happy at the end of the day.
 
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#56
Most of the fear and dread, and complaints are from people who don't have the camera.
The rest of us are busy shooting pictures.

Check out the Nikon forums and you'll find the same complaints.

By the way, the camera features a micro adjustment so you can match your lenses to the body for critical sharpness. Most people won't need to do it. If you actually have the camera, know what you are doing, and have a real problem, reputable dealers will take care of it.
 
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#57
@viggo

Complain and complain.

Be a man and switch to a another brand and leave Canonrumors.
If nothing is good about Canon, well simple make the switch.

You are an adult so make the correct choice instead of topic after topic complaining about Canon.
 
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#59
wickidwombat said:
From the week I have had with the 5Dmk3 I can safely say I feel the sensor is fantastic. At narrow apertures and shooting with strobes the images are razor sharp.

open up that aperture and shoot ambient light on my copy and it all goes to hell. My copy definately has a nutty AF, i am glad many others are reporting joy with theirs so I'll see if I can get another copy and give it a whirl.

I'd rather have the 5Dmk2 AF over the AF on my copy of the 5Dmk3 (at least I can rely on the center point of on that camer!)

I'm a bit disapointed, taking it back today I hope I can get a replacement within a week sinc ei'm going overseas and would like to use the mk3
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I hope the replacement will be good.
Please keep us posted.

Using my 5D mark iii with wildlife, I can only say that the AF works very very good.
 
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