Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?

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Alker said:
Viggo said:
Ånd Canon is further proving my point...

The 24-70 II will not.meet the 17th of April deadline stated by Canon.

What the hell is your point ??????
Don't like Canon ?
Don't buy Canon !

Whining is not going to help you. Is it ???

You still don't get the point? lol. I said vapor-ware... Nothing can be bought, it's only released..
 
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Viggo said:
Alker said:
Viggo said:
Ånd Canon is further proving my point...

The 24-70 II will not.meet the 17th of April deadline stated by Canon.

What the hell is your point ??????
Don't like Canon ?
Don't buy Canon !

Whining is not going to help you. Is it ???

You still don't get the point? lol. I said vapor-ware... Nothing can be bought, it's only released..

Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.
 
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EYEONE said:
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years and are still ongoing!
 
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wickidwombat said:
From the week I have had with the 5Dmk3 I can safely say I feel the sensor is fantastic. At narrow apertures and shooting with strobes the images are razor sharp.

open up that aperture and shoot ambient light on my copy and it all goes to hell. My copy definately has a nutty AF, i am glad many others are reporting joy with theirs so I'll see if I can get another copy and give it a whirl.

You probably know this already, but there are lenses that breathe at different apertures. The 50mm f/1.2L is probably the most notorious in this regard. If using the MFA scale, the difference between f/1.2 and f/4-f/5.6 on my copy is about 10 steps.
 
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wickidwombat said:
From the week I have had with the 5Dmk3 I can safely say I feel the sensor is fantastic. At narrow apertures and shooting with strobes the images are razor sharp.

open up that aperture and shoot ambient light on my copy and it all goes to hell. My copy definately has a nutty AF, i am glad many others are reporting joy with theirs so I'll see if I can get another copy and give it a whirl.

I'd rather have the 5Dmk2 AF over the AF on my copy of the 5Dmk3 (at least I can rely on the center point of on that camer!)

I'm a bit disapointed, taking it back today I hope I can get a replacement within a week sinc ei'm going overseas and would like to use the mk3
wicked, what lenses, apertures, focus points and shooting mode are you using? They all work together but they are very specific in application. Never use servo with big glass, use spot af primarily for static subjects, use spot af for most everything for things moving rapidly use focus with assist points. You prob know all that but i just dont get how you are experiencing this other than you need to micro adjust your lenses to the body or that you possibly have a bad copy, electronics aren't perfect, some get thru to the consumers even when tested in factory to be working properly. I hope you get things worked out because with what i have been getting in testing is excellent. I dont have any gigs at the moment so dont expect to see samples at this time. :)
 
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neuroanatomist said:
EYEONE said:
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years...

The $400 kit discount on a pro kit 5D3 is also pushed back to July now (if they even bother with it now ever)....
 
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
neuroanatomist said:
EYEONE said:
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years...

The $400 kit discount on a pro kit 5D3 is also pushed back to July now (if they even bother with it now ever).... they sure are making it hard to feel like getting the 5D3....

Thanks! Appriciate the support.
 
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Viggo said:
LetTheRightLensIn said:
neuroanatomist said:
EYEONE said:
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years...

The $400 kit discount on a pro kit 5D3 is also pushed back to July now (if they even bother with it now ever).... they sure are making it hard to feel like getting the 5D3....

Thanks! Appriciate the support.

The fact that there was an earthquake and tsunami in Japan + floods in Thailand doesn't lend any sympathy?
 
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ippikiokami said:
Viggo said:
LetTheRightLensIn said:
neuroanatomist said:
EYEONE said:
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years...

The $400 kit discount on a pro kit 5D3 is also pushed back to July now (if they even bother with it now ever).... they sure are making it hard to feel like getting the 5D3....

Thanks! Appriciate the support.

The fact that there was an earthquake and tsunami in Japan + floods in Thailand doesn't lend any sympathy?

This isn't about empathy for the poor people and their family affected. I saw a picture of a main road in Japan after the earthquake and again a picture taken 14 days after, and the road looked like it was just built and clean as a whistle, well, it was, reconstructed in TWO weeks... They can still blame the earthquake and also the flood, but then they can go out and say "hey, this has affected us, and the planned releases will be pushed back" and skipped the announcement all together, BUT they keep telling us about these amazing products that no one can get their hands on. THAT's the problem......

And the only products they in fact have released seem to have all kinds of errors, and faults....
 
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On a side note, it looks there is a second OLPF in the 5DM3.

Filmmaker, James Miller has removed it and is seeing a significant increase in sharpness on the Mark III.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?278918-Canon-5d-mark-iii-improved-olpf-removed-for-higher-resolution

http://twitter.com/#!/millerandmiller

http://philipbloom.net/2012/04/01/a-drastic-solution-to-increasing-sharpness-with-the-5dmkiii/


Canon 5Dmk3 OLPF removal, first results
Liberation Begins - 5DMK3 OLPF Removal Day 2

He mentions that it is working awesome for stills as well though I haven't seen any raw images being posted yet.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Cheers,
Pete
 
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c3hammer said:
On a side note, it looks there is a second OLPF in the 5DM3.

Yes and no. The confusion comes from the fact that what we call the 'anti-aliasing' filter actually has two components that are essentially polarizers, one oriented horizontally and one oriented vertically. The two filters are separate within the assembly, with a 1/4-wave plate in between (necessary to convert the linearly-polarized light from the first filter into circularly-polarized light, else no light would get through the second filter, like when you orient a pair of linear polarizers at 90° to each other, the same principle that variable ND filters use).

5dmark2_feature_07b.jpg


The horizontal layer of the AA filter, 1/4-wave plate (what Canon calls the 'phaser layer') and the IR cut filter are bonded together, and this assembly is what vibrates for the 'self-cleaning sensor'. The vertical layer of the AA filter is bonded to the sensor itself (well, on top of the microlens array, which sits on top of the Bayer mask, which sits on top of the sensor).
 
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neuroanatomist said:
EYEONE said:
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years and are still ongoing!

Delays for separate products don't constitute "vapor-ware". Vaporware implies that the announced product might not actually exist.

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed once (maybe)
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed but now released
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed but now released
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed but now released
 
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EYEONE said:
Delays for separate products don't constitute "vapor-ware". Vaporware implies that the announced product might not actually exist.

Vaporware: Products announced far in advance of any release (which may or may not actually take place). Vaporware is in the eye of the beholder, or not visible to the eye of the beholder, as the case may be.

The bottom line remains the same, whatever jargon you want to use - in the last 2-3 years, Canon has a terrible track record of getting their announced high end photo gear into the marketplace on schedule.
 
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EYEONE said:
neuroanatomist said:
EYEONE said:
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years and are still ongoing!

Delays for separate products don't constitute "vapor-ware". Vaporware implies that the announced product might not actually exist.

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed once (maybe)
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed but now released
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed but now released
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed but now released

I did not use it literally, but in annoyance over the lack of delievery. One or two months might (by some, not me) be accepted, one or two years I think for the most part, people do not think is okay.

One thing is that you can't buy new stuff, but the longer you keep your old, the lower the price gets. Check out what happened with the 1d3 prices when the mk4 was released, and what happened to the mk4 prices when the X was released. For those of us who do not crap money, that means one of two things, loose A LOT in the delay time or spend 5 months with no camera. IF the X had been released in january and hit the stores in feburary, the loss of the mk4 I sat with would have been way less, and I could have replaced it with no vacuum in between. That would also make it easier for people to upgrade. Essentially I pay most of the new camera with money from the one I have.
 
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Viggo said:
EYEONE said:
neuroanatomist said:
EYEONE said:
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years and are still ongoing!

Delays for separate products don't constitute "vapor-ware". Vaporware implies that the announced product might not actually exist.

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed once (maybe)
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed but now released
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed but now released
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed but now released

I did not use it literally, but in annoyance over the lack of delievery. One or two months might (by some, not me) be accepted, one or two years I think for the most part, people do not think is okay.

One thing is that you can't buy new stuff, but the longer you keep your old, the lower the price gets. Check out what happened with the 1d3 prices when the mk4 was released, and what happened to the mk4 prices when the X was released. For those of us who do not crap money, that means one of two things, loose A LOT in the delay time or spend 5 months with no camera. IF the X had been released in january and hit the stores in feburary, the loss of the mk4 I sat with would have been way less, and I could have replaced it with no vacuum in between. That would also make it easier for people to upgrade. Essentially I pay most of the new camera with money from the one I have.

Well, true enough. I do think that Canon announced the 1Dx before they should have. And I'm not really defending Canon either. However, with everyone complaining about the lack of an update Canon might have felt the pressure from its market to go ahead and announce something?

And to be perfectly honest, I didn't realize the 500 and 600 were announced that long ago. As they cost more than my current car I'm less concerned :)
 
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Bosman said:
wickidwombat said:
From the week I have had with the 5Dmk3 I can safely say I feel the sensor is fantastic. At narrow apertures and shooting with strobes the images are razor sharp.

open up that aperture and shoot ambient light on my copy and it all goes to hell. My copy definately has a nutty AF, i am glad many others are reporting joy with theirs so I'll see if I can get another copy and give it a whirl.

I'd rather have the 5Dmk2 AF over the AF on my copy of the 5Dmk3 (at least I can rely on the center point of on that camer!)

I'm a bit disapointed, taking it back today I hope I can get a replacement within a week sinc ei'm going overseas and would like to use the mk3
wicked, what lenses, apertures, focus points and shooting mode are you using? They all work together but they are very specific in application. Never use servo with big glass, use spot af primarily for static subjects, use spot af for most everything for things moving rapidly use focus with assist points. You prob know all that but i just dont get how you are experiencing this other than you need to micro adjust your lenses to the body or that you possibly have a bad copy, electronics aren't perfect, some get thru to the consumers even when tested in factory to be working properly. I hope you get things worked out because with what i have been getting in testing is excellent. I dont have any gigs at the moment so dont expect to see samples at this time. :)

I've stopped even bothering trying to work out servo now until I can get single shot AF sorted out,
Lenses tested are
16-35 f2.8 II
50mm f1.4
50mm f1.8II
sigma 85mm f1.4
100mm f2.8L IS Macro
24-105 f4L IS
70-200 f2.8L IS II
300 f4L IS

I have set it in spot focus only (I usually shoot in spot focus anyway) I failed miserably with AI servo but I blame myself for that and not knowing the AF but I've gone back to basics and even just trying to use it the way I use the 5Dmk2 with centerpoint and recompose.

I took it back to the shop yesterday but it started working, couldnt get it to misbehave for the guy in the shop :(
he said regardless they have a backlog of preorders to the end of may so no chance of exchanging it and him and none of the staff had even handled the camera yet. my mk3 was the first time he had put his hands on the camera and he was the assistant manager. He suggested I keep trying it out and seehow it goes.
I definately don't have enough confidence in this camera to use it in a wedding though, studio with flash and narrow aperture though no problem It's great but apertures wider than 2.8 Its just plain unreliable.

last night i sat down to go through all the micro adjust process again but just gave up in disgust after 2 lenses
 
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