Is a Canon RF 24-105mm f/2.8L IS on the way? [CR1]

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Which lenses did you take hiking ?
24/1.8 and 85/2 only ?
Yes, plus the RF 16/2.8, which is small and very light.
I don't miss the 50mm focal length. I have set the depth of field button on my R5 to give me crop, so 1.6x quickly gives me 38mm at about 17 MP, which is sufficient for all but big enlargements.
So the RF 24mm stays on the camera and when I want to focus on details, I use the RF 85mm.
I use f/2 on both lenses to isolate the subject from the cacophony of details in forests. And the 1:2 "macro" on the RF 85mm is of similar sharpness to my 100mm macro, so great for fungi, flowers, insects, etc.
 
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entoman

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Given the size and cost of the 100L macro, why would a zoom going to roughly that at the long end be so much bigger/more expensive? Add a bit on for zoom complexity, but that's a partial guide, no?
RF 100mm F2.8 macro = GBP 1479
RF 24-105mm F4 "macro" = GBP 1389
Total = GBP 2868
(prices from Wex UK)

The RF 24-70L F2.8 costs GBP 2629, so you can bet your life that a longer RF 24-105L F2.8 will cost a bit over GBP 3000.

It will also be a lot bigger and heavier than either the RF 100 or the RF 24-105, and will probably only focus down to around a quarter life-size (1:4) , whereas the RF 100 goes MUCH closer, at 1.4x life-size.
 
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entoman

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I presently own a few macro lenses (Leica 100mm Apo, Leica 60mm, Leica M 90mm, Zeiss 50mm, Canon 100L, Canon 180mm).
What I'm interested in, is a "hiking EDC lens". The idea is to have an excellent multi purpose lens, so I won't have to switch lenses that often. I expressed myself in a ambiguous way, didn't expect the 2,8/24-105 to be a real macro, but rather a lens for occasional close-ups. The main idea was no longer to carry: 24, 28, 35, 50mm Leica M lenses, Canon EF 85mm, but the CR 1 (!!!) mentioned 24-105 plus a 50mm macro, and, of course, some tele gear. So, also 2 instead of 3 bodies (5 D + R, instead of M+5D+R). Even if the 2,8/24-105 becomes quite a brick, it will, I'll save weight.
Switching lenses on narrow mountain paths is fastidious AND risky (for the lenses).
As to the RF 24-105 F.4 L, I own it, but I'm not so enthusiastic about it, when compared to my M lenses. I'd like the new (CR 1 !) 24-105 to be optically in the RF 28-70 F.2 league...
If you are clambering about on mountains, do you really want the astronomical weight of a 24-105mm F2.8L macro?

Judging by the weight of the RF 28-70 F2L, I reckon a 24-105 F2.8L would weight at least 1600g and cost well over GBP 3K.
 
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If you are clambering about on mountains, do you really want the astronomical weight of a 24-105mm F2.8L macro?

Judging by the weight of the RF 28-70 F2L, I reckon a 24-105 F2.8L would weight at least 1600g and cost well over GBP 3K.
1600g is less than the combined weight of a Leica M240 + 24, 28, 35, 50mm and EF 1,4/85 + battery for the M...
The size could indeed be a problem.
But the lens has to be damn -sorry- good!
 
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The EF 24-105/4L MkI was a good size, but pretty soft. (I had it but switched to something else for discerning shots.) The MkII was substantially sharper, but bigger.

The RF 24-105/4L has the EF MkI size with the MkII image quality. It's quite compelling, but the game has moved on substantially. The 100-500 (at least at 100 and 135 where I've tested it) is modern-prime-lens sharp (if not quite the 100Mac or 135/1.8) and the RF 24-105 is not that good.

I've argued *** that pros now should be using f/4 trinity not f/2.8, but the slight softness of the 24-105 is the one reason I'm wrong in that.

The RF 24-105 has been on sale 4 years or something now, and if any lens would make sense to make a MkII out of it might be this.

Just as with the EF, the MkII could be larger and a little sharper, so the original would continue to be an interesting lens to own and not take a beating in the secondary market.

As a bonus, they might even downgrade the IS in it to be merely nominal or even absent. I think that the lens formula may well be simpler, and/or sharper, and/or lighter or smaller if it didn't have to do IS duty. My own tests of the RF135mm vs. EF135 with IBIS only (see the 135mm SHOOTOUT thread on the lens forum) suggest the in-lens IS may only be bringing 1-1.5 stops, if that.



*** In the old days, we needed f/2.8 trinity because:

  • Autofocus wouldn't work well with less than f/2.8 (depending on the model, fewer sensors or vertical lines would stop working I recall)

  • Viewfinder brightness hinged on f/stop

  • we had such soft film images that masked the lost DOF from f/2.8: when even the sharpest details were pretty fuzzy, we couldn't see the loss from DOF un-focus until it was more un-focused

  • given a choice between huge grain and a bit of lost DOF from large aperture, we'd have preferred less grain and shallow DOF--or at least preferred the OPTION of choosing it

  • without IS and IBIS same story: hand-holding 50mm at ISO 800 and 1/30 and f/2.8 was already pushing it in regular night interiors. Going to 1/15 or ISO 1600 would be abyssmal

  • without photoshop etc., if we wanted a subject to pop out of the background we HAD to shoot it that way. There was no post-processing we could easily do.

  • and all the above in the context where we could only shoot 36 exposures before serious down-time. That means especially, we couldn't do that 50mm at ISO 800 and 1/15 ten times and assume one would be usable. Not if we wanted to shoot more than about three shots that roll.

So, the trinity zooms were f/2.8 even if that meant we initially had 20-200 coverage instead of greater.

Today all those points are moot or even reversed:

  • autofocus and viewfinder brightness have nothing to do with aperture

  • sensors are bleeding sharp even at ISO 16000 so bad DOF is in your face

  • IS, IBIS let us take 1 sec shots at 135mm with the 100-500 and count on 90% of the shots being fine for less than fine art use.

  • the photo as shot is only the beginning of the image; we can edit as much as we want afterwards.

For these reasons, I use and recommend the f/4 trinity. But yeah, the 24-105/4LIS could be a LITTLE sharper...
Nah. An f/2 trinity. If for nothing else... the 28-70. Honestly, at f/2 a trinity isn't needed. I'll just take the 28-70 and the imaginary 70-135 f/2. ;)
 
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Wouldn't it be great if canon tweaked this a bit with a 24mm to 135mm f2.8 L IS lens announcement/development. Like others, I'm now carrying around an ef 28mm to 70mm f 2.8 and ef 70-200mm lenses with an rf adaptor. If they pushed the zoom range to say 135mm, that might be the perfect lens.
That would be nice, but would a longer range mean more distortion?
 
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If they come out with a RF 24-105L f2.8 which is close to the size & weight of the RF 24-70L f2.8 then I would probably sell my 24-70L f2.8 just to get the 24-105L f2.8, even if it cost me an extra $1000 to do so (that's how much I'd *love* to have the extra 70-105 range in a single superb lens). Until they release this lens, I'm not going to assume it's going to be as big & heavy as others, as I would hope Canon would surprise us in how close it is in size & weight (we'll just have to wait and see).
 
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This would be my final lens. I love the 28-70 f2 but 28 isn't wide enough when I'm right in front of the stage or trying to get full body shots at close range at events. It's a big enough deal that I still keep my 24-105 f4 if I think I'll need the zoom range, or if I'm doing portraits.

If they ever make this I don't think I'd need a prime lens.
 
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