Is an 8K EOS-1D C Replacement Coming? [CR1]

[M_S]

Seeing the prototype on photokina i doubt we will see a DSLR with that capability for another two years the least. 4k screens just start to sell in quantities and bandwith is nowhere near the bitrate to support that. Machines to handle that data in a convenient way is only for big studios. So what would the target audience look like i wonder...

 

[jeffa4444]

8K cameras for Cinema are being used to oversample images for 4K there is not a hope in hell of seeing 8K projection at a standardised multiplex screen that has a screen diagonal of 56ft (average). To see 8K you would need to stand in the no mans land area between the front row & the screen. 4K in these cinemas to get the true effect you must sit in the front four rows.
The obsession of resolution is not the true aim of 4K or 8K currently but utilising the wider colour space (Rec. 2020) and anyone doubting that should know were being asked to put the oldest lenses on cameras to "lower" resolution & sharpness & affect the colour imagery due to older coatings.

The advantage of 8K Vistavision is the narrower depth of field to aid storytelling and heighten effect not to make images clinical and television like.

An 8K 1D C MKII what is the point of it? Is it really needed and if so why?

 

[transpo1]

A 6K or 8K Cinema EOS cam would certainly put some attention back on that line, which is lackluster at the moment. But I'd rather see a 5DC hybrid shooter with 1.3x crop 4K, Canon Log and DPA and manageable video codec (non MJPEG) before this happens. The tech on the current 1DC is growing old, and Canon needs to enable full-frame, 4K video shooting. 6K and 8K is a good idea for the next C300 and C500 series to recapture momentum there, which the FS7 and other cams have stolen.

 

[tron]

I would classify this rumor as CR0.5 (= not a lie but let's say wishful thinking)

 

[Bernard]

Just to be clear, 8K is not a distribution format at this time. It's an acquisition format that is useful mainly in effects-heavy sequences.
Nothing new about that concept. 8-perf (Vistavision) and 70mm were mostly used for effects shots during the film era. The extra resolution gives you more margin for manipulation in post.

 

[rrcphoto]

Just to be clear, 8K is not a distribution format at this time. It's an acquisition format that is useful mainly in effects-heavy sequences.
Nothing new about that concept. 8-perf (Vistavision) and 70mm were mostly used for effects shots during the film era. The extra resolution gives you more margin for manipulation in post.

not really.

Japan has already trialed 8K broadcasting and the goal of the 2020 Olympics is to be shot in 8K and broadcasted as well.

so there's alot of politics involved and I would imagine that Canon will do everything possible to have 8K products well before the olympics.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Canon has been working hard on 8K, NHK has been pushing manufacturers to put out product. It would not surprise me greatly to see 8K being down sampled. I doubt it would be recorded as 8K, maybe externally?

 

[rs]

It's no secret that Canon have been working on 8K

http://www.canon-europe.com/photokina/8k-camera/

 

[douglaurent]

I have shot 60fps (real more like 50) raw 20MP / 6K photo series with the new Olympus E-M1II

I think you'll find that's 5K

More like 5.5K

 

[douglaurent]

Funny how photographers think 8K video is too much for 4K monitors in 2017, while 8K photos were totally normal on 2K monitors since the D800 came out in 2012

 

[rs]

I have shot 60fps (real more like 50) raw 20MP / 6K photo series with the new Olympus E-M1II

I think you'll find that's 5K

More like 5.5K

At full res, it's images are 5184 x 3888 pixels.

2K is 2048 pixels wide. 4K is 4096 pixels wide. Therefore 5K is 5120 pixels wide. So if you want to split hairs, it's 5.0625K. I call that 5K.

 

[jeffa4444]

Funny how photographers think 8K video is too much for 4K monitors in 2017, while 8K photos were totally normal on 2K monitors since the D800 came out in 2012

Not sure I follow your logic. You can show 8K origination on any monitor you just will not see 8K. Apple claim 5K on the 27" iMac and on the LG Ultrafine 27" 5K monitor (both screens are made by LG) but I don't know of any commercially available monitors higher than that. So technically we cannot see the 8K resolution just as you would not see 4K on a 2K monitor.

NHK are pushing 8K but many are questioning the point of 8K display in cinema or TV because of the viewing distances involved.

 

[Respinder]

I've been saying this for a long time... There's not gonna be a new 1Dc. The original, while it did have its fans, was always a stop-gap product.

If we see a direct 1Dc replacement come to market, I will be totally surprised.

I disagree - I know some have said that the 1DX Mark II was meant to replace both the 1DX and 1DC, but if that was really the case than why would Canon keep selling the 1DC?

The fact is that Canon needs to have at least one DSLR in their Cinema EOS line. Video shooters still want a hybrid system that can both take great photos and great video. The 1DX Mark II right now is the best hybrid camera Canon has produced to date, BUT it does not have C-log. It just makes sense for Canon to release a new 1DC Mark II.

We also have to look at the bigger picture here - the photography industry is gradually shifting away from your traditional camera makers (Canon, Nikon, etc) to cell-phone makers (Apple, Samsung, Google, etc). People don't "develop" photos anymore (at least typically) - they are now going onto platforms such as Instagram and Snapchat - both of which either make it hard to post DSLR-shot photos (Instagram) or do not allow any non-cell-phone photos at all (Snapchat)

The only way for Canon to remain relevant is to keep revolutionizing the market - making the first 8K DSLR would certainly be one option, although it wouldn't be cheap. If Canon does release the 1DC Mark II in 8K, they will keep the price up at $15K for sure. I'd personally rather see a more refined 4K or perhaps 5/6K DSLR at a price slightly higher than a 1DX Mark II - maybe $7-8K, but thats wishful thinking.

The point is that Canon absolutely needs to keep pushing the market, and they need to keep at least one DSLR within their Cinema EOS line. Just my two cents.

 

[mps]

i highly doubt canon will release an 8k camera in 2017, especially not in a dslr body... this is their 2016 solution:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BKxiPmYA_qG/?taken-by=screentrips

 

[tron]

i highly doubt canon will release an 8k camera in 2017, especially not in a dslr body... this is their 2016 solution:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BKxiPmYA_qG/?taken-by=screentrips

+1 Good to put some reality to this thread. An updated 4K 1Dc is more like it. Like increased frame rates, other codecs, more bits, etc. Just my opinion...

 

[3kramd5]

4K/8MP video leaves no room for cropping, and 8K/32MP video is not really necessary and a bit too much. So the most logical thing would be to go 6K/20MP.

I don't agree that the most logical thing would be to build a likely significantly-expensive offering to the professional video market which falls short of 8K UHD in favor of a non-standard resolution (6K). Sure, Red released a 6k model, but that was several years ago.

IMO a better option would be to build an 8K system which allows lower resolution options.

So if you want to split hairs, it's 5.0625K. I call that 5K.

haha, 51/16K. Catchy!

 

[benkam]

Don't think it'll be 8K but a C'd up 1DX2, so 4K 60p but added with log gamma, dual CFast, a fully functional touchscreen. If there's a biggie change, perhaps a hybrid EVF/OVF. Then maybe it's the price that'll be $8K.

 

[jeffa4444]

Still not hearing from anyone why 8K is important for TV / video monitoring / cinema display. viewing distance people is the key here. Oversampling I get it, wider colour gamut I get it, any form of 8K display other than maybe stills not getting it.

 

[rrcphoto]

Still not hearing from anyone why 8K is important for TV / video monitoring / cinema display. viewing distance people is the key here. Oversampling I get it, wider colour gamut I get it, any form of 8K display other than maybe stills not getting it.

Because Japan deems it so. For the Olympics.

So it will be done, regardless if people think it's important.

but with this analogy .. why are high resolution still cameras important? why not just use a 8MP camera and be done with it?

Same reason really. less digital artifacts, better resolution for larger, closer more immersive display of imagery.

 

[jeffa4444]

If immersive means you can no longer see the full image without physically panning & scanning with your head & eyes then we have defeated the realism and viewing for long periods would be uncomfortable for moving images. The extra resolution is a mute point with moving images & less so with still images where we have time to be more critical.
We have reached a critical junction with resolution and for many we have already gone too far. Colour space is different many still prefer analogue because it imparts a more subtle look and a wider bit depth & colour space may provide for that subtle in digital that some feel it doesn't have.

Like everything however its subjective and we all hold our own views.