its all about the 5DS, who is using the 5DR

[Chuck Alaimo]

hmmmmmmm. Ok, so I did already rent the 5ds, don't have the available funds to purchase for a bit so it's all about the rental for me now. So yeah, this topic makes me wonder. I got warned off the 5dsr because i do mainly shoot weddings and moire may be an issue with fabrics...


But that was way back closer to the release. So, since then, how many have been using the 5dsr for weddings? With a double header wedding weekend it will be a really good test case. Jut wondering if now that these bodies have been out for a few month that maybe there's more data out there for things like weddings!

Gonna be placing the rental order today, so feedback needs to be quick!!!!!

 

[Halfrack]

Dual 5DSr's here, 2000 frames per wedding and it's all I use now.

Z isn't getting as much use? I just did a wedding with the 645Z/5DsR combo - I love the Z files more, but the silent shutter and the 11-24 are reason enough to get one.

In talking with a Canon rep around shipping time, they didn't believe that the 5DS/5DsR would track the D800/800e, where folks went for the non-AA body more.

 

[wockawocka]

Dual 5DSr's here, 2000 frames per wedding and it's all I use now.

Z isn't getting as much use? I just did a wedding with the 645Z/5DsR combo - I love the Z files more, but the silent shutter and the 11-24 are reason enough to get one.

In talking with a Canon rep around shipping time, they didn't believe that the 5DS/5DsR would track the D800/800e, where folks went for the non-AA body more.

Z has been sold. Whether the 5DSr is better will have to wait until I go landscaping next month. For wedding stuff it's much more convenient and useful.

Just wondering if anyone has compared the 5ds or 5dsr to the 1dx?? And what there thoughts were. I did try to compare my 1dx to the 5dsr but had limited time to try a "scientific" photoshoot.
Thanks for everyone's time.

Metering, focus accuracy, low light AF and white balance are better than the 1DX. So is the image quality but it's hard to really compare something three times the pixel count tbh.

 

[privatebydesign]

hmmmmmmm. Ok, so I did already rent the 5ds, don't have the available funds to purchase for a bit so it's all about the rental for me now. So yeah, this topic makes me wonder. I got warned off the 5dsr because i do mainly shoot weddings and moire may be an issue with fabrics...


But that was way back closer to the release. So, since then, how many have been using the 5dsr for weddings? With a double header wedding weekend it will be a really good test case. Jut wondering if now that these bodies have been out for a few month that maybe there's more data out there for things like weddings!

Gonna be placing the rental order today, so feedback needs to be quick!!!!!

I have been somebody who was very wary of moire, I don't shoot many weddings but would dread the prospect of ruined images. I have been patiently waiting the 1DX MkII announcement but have been thinking the 5DS/R might be more appropriate if the specs of the 1DX MkII aren't what I am looking for.

To that end I have been playing with some 5DSR images that have moire in clothing, and using the moire removal tool in Lightroom is amazingly good, so much so that I have changed my focus from the 5DS to the 5DSR.

I'd love people to post more images with moire in, but so far I haven't found many.

 

[9VIII]

Dual 5DSr's here, 2000 frames per wedding and it's all I use now.

So, shooting weddings with the 5DSR, out of 2000 frames how many on average are going to have moire?

 

[takesome1]

Dual 5DSr's here, 2000 frames per wedding and it's all I use now.

So, shooting weddings with the 5DSR, out of 2000 frames how many on average are going to have moire?

If everyone is wearing pin striped suits and dresses maybe all 2000.

 

[wockawocka]

Dual 5DSr's here, 2000 frames per wedding and it's all I use now.

So, shooting weddings with the 5DSR, out of 2000 frames how many on average are going to have moire?

If everyone is wearing pin striped suits and dresses maybe all 2000.

There's more moire in a 5D3 and 6D than there is on the 5Ds - It's the 50mp you see. The higher the pixels the less moire you get. It's why there was a race to get to 50mp in Medium format. CCD, no AA filters on their backs yet most shot fashion.

So if I was shooting 2000 striped suits and dresses I'd be happier using the 5DSr than anything else.

 

[gkaefer]

Have my 5DSr since July.
shot daylight landscapes and ourdoor theatre plays before/while/after sunsets.
about 3.5k images so far. got no moires until now.
Georg, hobbyist...

 

[Eldar]

I have used my 5DSR extensively since its release date and have way over 10.000 exposures. I use it on everything from portraits, events, wildlife, landscape, birds etc. So far I have not seen a single image with moire problems.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Here in the Uk, there's quite a price disparity between the 5D3S and the 5D3R.
I can't help but wonder if the extra price is really worth the lack of AA filter?
Maybe I'll just wait a bit for the price to come down more before I indulge in one.

 

[jeffa4444]

Here in the Uk, there's quite a price disparity between the 5D3S and the 5D3R.
I can't help but wonder if the extra price is really worth the lack of AA filter?
Maybe I'll just wait a bit for the price to come down more before I indulge in one.

Cheapest new price Ive seen for the 5DS is £ 2,700 over at Mifsuds in Devon for Canon UK stock, cheeper cameras on the net are either imports or S/H low shutter count cameras. Not seen the 5DS R discounted from its £ 3,100 price yet. I bought at Mifsuds they were really helpful let me shoot shots with their display camera and view on their system before purchase something you would NEVER get from Amazon.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Here in the Uk, there's quite a price disparity between the 5D3S and the 5D3R.
I can't help but wonder if the extra price is really worth the lack of AA filter?
Maybe I'll just wait a bit for the price to come down more before I indulge in one.

Cheapest new price Ive seen for the 5DS is £ 2,700 over at Mifsuds in Devon for Canon UK stock, cheeper cameras on the net are either imports or S/H low shutter count cameras. Not seen the 5DS R discounted from its £ 3,100 price yet. I bought at Mifsuds they were really helpful let me shoot shots with their display camera and view on their system before purchase something you would NEVER get from Amazon.

HDew cameras : 5D3S £2179 5D3R: £2439
Both include VAT...so if you can claim the VAT back...

 

[jeffa4444]

Here in the Uk, there's quite a price disparity between the 5D3S and the 5D3R.
I can't help but wonder if the extra price is really worth the lack of AA filter?
Maybe I'll just wait a bit for the price to come down more before I indulge in one.

Cheapest new price Ive seen for the 5DS is £ 2,700 over at Mifsuds in Devon for Canon UK stock, cheeper cameras on the net are either imports or S/H low shutter count cameras. Not seen the 5DS R discounted from its £ 3,100 price yet. I bought at Mifsuds they were really helpful let me shoot shots with their display camera and view on their system before purchase something you would NEVER get from Amazon.

HDew cameras : 5D3S £2179 5D3R: £2439
Both include VAT...so if you can claim the VAT back...

HDew only sell grey imports so no Canon UK support.

 

[PureClassA]

Yeah I had one on pre-order the moment they opened up. I really love it. Honestly I haven't had any moire with it that I've found so far, and I've done a number of shoots with fine pattern clothing and other such moire inducing circumstances. At 50MP, you really have plenty enough resolving power to prevent most moire in the first place.

I've been most impressed with the ability to lift shadows in this vs my 5D3. There's definitely an extra stop of latitude there, and pulling highlights back seem to be better. The only complaint is the file size, but that was expected. Colors are super rich and just perfect right out the sensor. I think the noise levels are on par with the 6D in the upper ISOs.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Here in the Uk, there's quite a price disparity between the 5D3S and the 5D3R.
I can't help but wonder if the extra price is really worth the lack of AA filter?
Maybe I'll just wait a bit for the price to come down more before I indulge in one.

Cheapest new price Ive seen for the 5DS is £ 2,700 over at Mifsuds in Devon for Canon UK stock, cheeper cameras on the net are either imports or S/H low shutter count cameras. Not seen the 5DS R discounted from its £ 3,100 price yet. I bought at Mifsuds they were really helpful let me shoot shots with their display camera and view on their system before purchase something you would NEVER get from Amazon.

HDew cameras : 5D3S £2179 5D3R: £2439
Both include VAT...so if you can claim the VAT back...

HDew only sell grey imports so no Canon UK support.

UK support? You drop it...you pay to get it repaired. You get it wet...you pay...support is irrelevant under CPS.
You want it fixed...it's costs this....end of story. I've yet to have a camera or lens repair pushed back to me because of the location of the camera or Lens purchase.

 

[iaind]

Here in the Uk, there's quite a price disparity between the 5D3S and the 5D3R.
I can't help but wonder if the extra price is really worth the lack of AA filter?
Maybe I'll just wait a bit for the price to come down more before I indulge in one.

Cheapest new price Ive seen for the 5DS is £ 2,700 over at Mifsuds in Devon for Canon UK stock, cheeper cameras on the net are either imports or S/H low shutter count cameras. Not seen the 5DS R discounted from its £ 3,100 price yet. I bought at Mifsuds they were really helpful let me shoot shots with their display camera and view on their system before purchase something you would NEVER get from Amazon.

HDew cameras : 5D3S £2179 5D3R: £2439
Both include VAT...so if you can claim the VAT back...

HDew only sell grey imports so no Canon UK support.

UK support? You drop it...you pay to get it repaired. You get it wet...you pay...support is irrelevant under CPS.
You want it fixed...it's costs this....end of story. I've yet to have a camera or lens repair pushed back to me because of the location of the camera or Lens purchase.

Have you tried to trade in a grey import?

 

[East Wind Photography]

Sigh...so I broke down and picked up a 5ds R under this new 300.00 rebate. As a previous 5DIII user, I was skeptical that the 5ds R would give me more. Well it does but it's a trade off. The 5D3 does have lower noise levels at higher ISO...but I'm talking ISO 3200 and 6400. Anything under that seems to be about the same...anything over that is in the area of specialty needs....which I will miss but perhaps not for long (at least until the 5D IV and 1DX II come out).

What I find compelling at this point is that the resoution IS in fact that much better. Quite frankly is of the caliber of throwing caution out the window at all levels. True it lacks a decent burst speed and that is it's major downfall. However what it makes up for in resolution, sharpness, distance versatility, I can forgive the fps for now. In time Canon will fix the fps issue...maybe Digic 10 or 12???? I wouldnt call it the most versatile camera but from a distance perspective it is indeed.

I took it out for it's maiden journey this past weekend shooting a soccer game and while the FPS was dismal compared to my 7DII, it was on par with my "old" 5D3 and I was able to use my 70-200 and get really good results across the field and deeply cropped...VERY deeply cropped.

Over 1000 shots and could not find one where Moire was an issue. I was specifically looking for it in every shot. Granted most everything on a soccer field is pretty random, soccer players generally dont wear pin stripes. Moire will come into play eventually I'm sure.

The AF system is almost identical to the 7DII albut smaller in the viewfinder (perhaps 1.6 times smaller?). Function, reliability, speed, accuracy is about the same. I did attach my 1.4xiii for a time and on a few instances it stumbled trying to get a lock on a corner flag (usually what I shoot before each game to verify AFMA is still correct). I removed it for the game and will test that in a more controlled environment later. We've seen issues with the 70-200 on new bodies before so I'm not completely surprised by that. Just keep that in mind during a critical shoot.

As others reported, AFMA is super critical. I'm not sure Focal can get you the level of accuracy that you really need with this. However I plan on giving it a shot and comparing with my manual settings. I used a Spyder Lens cal and found I was able to dial it in fairly quickly...though it took more shots than it did with the 7D2. The higher resolution makes it more difficult to discern focus variations on the test chart. One would think the opposite since it's readily apparent when AFMA is off using the 5ds series. PErhaps it has something to do with the in camera sharpening (I did not take them to the computer for analysis after each test series which is recommended.)

All of the hogwash about needing the best technique to get sharp images is in fact just that, hogwash. If you have done well with the 5D3 or 7D2, you can get equally good results with the 5ds. I shot sports with it where you run and gun players across the field and never had any that were blurry due to to motion, even at 100%. I used ISO 800 and was targetting about 1/3200 sec on an overcast day just to give some perspective.

Another thing if you are going to purchase one or have already done so, Canon is offering a 13 month CarePAK for free with most DSLR models, 5ds and 5ds R included. It's not heavily advertised. There is no flashy flier in the box and no pop up ads when you register it online. However, you can get the service plan by activating it using the camera's serial number. (IE was the only browser that worked for me). I believe the offer started October 11. There are conditions so check it out first. Here is the link

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/carepak-plus-offers

So back to point on the OP. Why did I choose to get the R model? I shoot Wildlife and sports. That's pretty much it. While I dont need super sharp detail for sports, I do for wildlife and I do require a 2nd body for sports. I need the most detail I can get for all of my critters and moire is not a big deal for what I shoot. When deciding on the 5ds or 5ds R, your main question you should ask is will moire be an issue for what you shoot the most? If not then get the R. If if your answer is sometimes, then the R may still be the best choice as you can filter it out in most post processing apps. If you shoot in a studio and cant control the clothing then perhaps the R is best left on the shelf.

Thats my 5 cents on an initial take...hope some of this was helpful.

 

[ahsanford]

Got a 5DSR for a very good price. Very happy so far.

Have not really had any time at all to use it so far, but soon I'll get a chance to put it to the test.

Basically, its a 5DIII on steroids with a number of small/big improvements - AF being the most important - and with amazing ability to crop when needed. Have not seen any moire but have also not done more than a few shots where it could be a problem.

Your comment above in red lost me. Aren't the 5D3 and 5DS/5DS R identical from an AF perspective?

From TDP, see below, specs side by side -- 5DS on left, 5D3 on right.

From the spec list, I just thought a 5DS was a 5D3 with more pixels, better anti-shake / mirror slap options, and more processing power to move those bigger files and a few of the 7D2's viewfinder improvements. AF was not improved to my knowledge.

- A

 

[East Wind Photography]

Got a 5DSR for a very good price. Very happy so far.

Have not really had any time at all to use it so far, but soon I'll get a chance to put it to the test.

Basically, its a 5DIII on steroids with a number of small/big improvements - AF being the most important - and with amazing ability to crop when needed. Have not seen any moire but have also not done more than a few shots where it could be a problem.

Your comment above in red lost me. Aren't the 5D3 and 5DS/5DS R identical from an AF perspective?

From TDP, see below, specs side by side -- 5DS on left, 5D3 on right.

From the spec list, I just thought a 5DS was a 5D3 with more pixels, better anti-shake / mirror slap options, and more processing power to move those bigger files and a few of the 7D2's viewfinder improvements. AF was not improved to my knowledge.

- A

Not the OP but the specs are similar. The 5ds is more like the 7D2 from an AF perspective. Both are similar to the 5D3 but 5ds and 7d2 have a few more extras such as iTR, facial recognition and 5ds also offers a blinking red AF mode so you can see the AF points in the dark. It's similar to the 1DX where it alternates between lighting up the AF points and metering. 5d3 does not offer that.

 

[steven kessel]

I have a 5DS-R, which I use mostly for closeup photography of small wildlife -- insects, invertebrates, amphibians, and reptiles. It is an astonishing camera. When used correctly it produces detail that nothing else in its sensor size matches. I also own a 5Diii and the dynamic range of the 5DS-R is much superior, in my opinion. It also seems to capture colors more accurately and with a richness and depth that is unmatched.

Now, for the drawbacks. This is a camera that requires precision! One must get focus EXACTLY right. There is no forgiveness. The ability to render extraordinary detail also means that even a minimally out of focus shot will be perceived as a blurred mess. Any camera motion will also ruin the shot. One must shoot at a very high shutter speed, or with a flash, or on a tripod. Otherwise, all of those pixels become your enemy!

I love this camera. It has made me a better photographer. But, and fair warning to anyone who's tempted to buy it -- it will make you work harder to get a good shot than you've ever worked before. Do it right and you'll be delighted. Mess up just a little bit and your results will greatly disappoint you.