Kenrockwell comments on Canon 6d
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infared said:Ray2021 said:I think we have plumbed the bottom of the Ken Rockwell topic.... perhaps we can stop now?
...well..the topic is shallow enough that it should only have been one page..tell ya what...why don't we all use at least $10,000.00 of photo equipment to post some really bad snapshots of our kids here, in honor of Ken and then call it a day?
No chance I'm posting "bad" shots of my kids. I would however, happily shoot the lens boxes, pump up the saturation like crazy and post the pics, all in KR's ... Well ... Honor!
Much ado about nothing as usual.
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I'll venture to fill in again with you Paul.paul13walnut5 said:
This guy is plain rude and that has nothing to do with not being a native speaker, many of us on this forum are.
I'm out of this thread and hope to not encounter some of the posters in it ever again. This forum should be for a (of course vivid) but still civilized discussion about things pertaining photography. I'd never measure myself against anybody's photos and would never ever challenge someone on taking photos.
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Hobby Shooter said:
Me neither, and the reason I'm never posting any "good" shots in discussion threads is that imho if someone has taken a couple of good pictures it doesn't make his/her reasoning any better or his/her opinion more valid, it just muddies the water. A good reason to post shots is to demonstrate problems or show the effect of some lens/lighting/... gear though.
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well, this thread was doomed from the start. i've been watching it simply out of curiosity at the ferver it would reach. some of the tones taken were pretty disappointing and not indicative of what i have experienced on this site. to that point....
regardless of any CR members interests or experience level, i have come to enjoy the mostly good natured exchange of ideas, opinions, and experiences with different types of gear. i certainly expect this thread to be a blip on the radar of what i think is a pretty diverse and respectful online community.
what i have noticed is that there seems to sometimes be different perspectives between pros earning a living through photography and enthusiasts just enjoying photography. there is certainly no right or wrong but it seems that sometimes when those perspectives cross, context is lost in the shuffle.
i personally fall into the camp of thinking Ken Rockwell is a clown and i personally am underwhelmed by his work. i do not think anyone who enjoys Ken or learns something from his site is "stupid" or somehow below me in anyway. that would just be nonsense. i would caution those that follow Rockwell that there is a great deal of learning, experience, and enjoyment beyond his musings and to actively seek out other sources so that his thoughts don't become gospel. but this is true of anyone....any single source of information or inspiration can be troublesome in the long run.
i think what everyone can agree upon is that photography is simply alot of fun and very rewarding at all levels of experience. no one should ever feel hesitant to post images that they have done on this site for any reason. i think the majority of the members here truly enjoy seeing shots from everyone regardless of their skill level. i know i do...i only wish i could see more of all of your work.
that being said, i will soon be adding my website to my profile (as it is in the process of being updated...sorely overdue) and welcome all to visit it and critique away! i always felt the worst thing that someone could say about my work was nothing....i would much rather prefer that someone hated it or loved it. at least that way i could get some growth from the experience. indifference gives no satisfaction!
regardless of any CR members interests or experience level, i have come to enjoy the mostly good natured exchange of ideas, opinions, and experiences with different types of gear. i certainly expect this thread to be a blip on the radar of what i think is a pretty diverse and respectful online community.
what i have noticed is that there seems to sometimes be different perspectives between pros earning a living through photography and enthusiasts just enjoying photography. there is certainly no right or wrong but it seems that sometimes when those perspectives cross, context is lost in the shuffle.
i personally fall into the camp of thinking Ken Rockwell is a clown and i personally am underwhelmed by his work. i do not think anyone who enjoys Ken or learns something from his site is "stupid" or somehow below me in anyway. that would just be nonsense. i would caution those that follow Rockwell that there is a great deal of learning, experience, and enjoyment beyond his musings and to actively seek out other sources so that his thoughts don't become gospel. but this is true of anyone....any single source of information or inspiration can be troublesome in the long run.
i think what everyone can agree upon is that photography is simply alot of fun and very rewarding at all levels of experience. no one should ever feel hesitant to post images that they have done on this site for any reason. i think the majority of the members here truly enjoy seeing shots from everyone regardless of their skill level. i know i do...i only wish i could see more of all of your work.
that being said, i will soon be adding my website to my profile (as it is in the process of being updated...sorely overdue) and welcome all to visit it and critique away! i always felt the worst thing that someone could say about my work was nothing....i would much rather prefer that someone hated it or loved it. at least that way i could get some growth from the experience. indifference gives no satisfaction!
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A very strange thread. KR says something negative about Canon, we hate him. He says something positive, we hate him even more.
Personally, I check his site occassionally. I like it and find it entertaining. Do I treat it as gospel? Of course not. But the reason that he does so well is that he seems to be an average guy that likes taking photos and talking about camera equipment. What's there not to like! His desire is to help people take better photos, which is a message that resonates with a lot of people. He's also a reasonable writer who can generate a lot of original content. He has a lot of the ingredients for success working for him.
And...I'm yet to be convinced that any of the general concepts that he advocates are plain wrong. But as with all general rules, they won't apply in all cases for all people.
Personally, I check his site occassionally. I like it and find it entertaining. Do I treat it as gospel? Of course not. But the reason that he does so well is that he seems to be an average guy that likes taking photos and talking about camera equipment. What's there not to like! His desire is to help people take better photos, which is a message that resonates with a lot of people. He's also a reasonable writer who can generate a lot of original content. He has a lot of the ingredients for success working for him.
And...I'm yet to be convinced that any of the general concepts that he advocates are plain wrong. But as with all general rules, they won't apply in all cases for all people.
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Take a look at this site I found,...Phlearn.com.
Those guys are fun and have free stuff for all levels that anyone can enjoy.
Some of us got caught in a futile debate that hit a dead end right away filled with wasted resources.
The people watching this were either entertained or disappointed by the display.
Whatever the case might have been,.... opinions (good or bad) never hurt anyone.
I have been insulted repeatedly by all those Rockwell lovers and it seemed that their only preoccupation was coming up with quick insults.
No constructive criticism or polite suggestions,....just quick bites,.... were thrown at me.
This fervor took me somewhat by surprise and I decided to defend my position which in hindsight proved pointless.
I tried to use arguments in my so called rants and I was careful not call neither of my detractors any names or derogatory stuff, a courtesy which I was not the recipient of.
It is all good,.....It does not bother me much,.....Better people then me were devored by crowds in the past.
It is nothing new.
I did not try to say that all of Rockwell's stuff is not enjoyable to read or that there is nothing to learn on his website,... just that I was sick and tired of hearing his name as a point of reference in anything related to photography.
To me he is just another guy,....no better then anyone here,....or anywhere else,....posting his opinions,... whatever they are.
Anyone with that self professed knowledge and latest high tech gear at his disposal, should indeed have better results.
His work suffers from lack of any creativity whatsoever, and that alone, for me, destroys his credibility.
That's it.
In the end,...it looks likely that he initiated this discussion with the original post which is quite clever.
The person that posted that, had no more to say afterwards, which is strangely revealing.
Very good self advertising.
Those guys are fun and have free stuff for all levels that anyone can enjoy.
Some of us got caught in a futile debate that hit a dead end right away filled with wasted resources.
The people watching this were either entertained or disappointed by the display.
Whatever the case might have been,.... opinions (good or bad) never hurt anyone.
I have been insulted repeatedly by all those Rockwell lovers and it seemed that their only preoccupation was coming up with quick insults.
No constructive criticism or polite suggestions,....just quick bites,.... were thrown at me.
This fervor took me somewhat by surprise and I decided to defend my position which in hindsight proved pointless.
I tried to use arguments in my so called rants and I was careful not call neither of my detractors any names or derogatory stuff, a courtesy which I was not the recipient of.
It is all good,.....It does not bother me much,.....Better people then me were devored by crowds in the past.
It is nothing new.
I did not try to say that all of Rockwell's stuff is not enjoyable to read or that there is nothing to learn on his website,... just that I was sick and tired of hearing his name as a point of reference in anything related to photography.
To me he is just another guy,....no better then anyone here,....or anywhere else,....posting his opinions,... whatever they are.
Anyone with that self professed knowledge and latest high tech gear at his disposal, should indeed have better results.
His work suffers from lack of any creativity whatsoever, and that alone, for me, destroys his credibility.
That's it.
In the end,...it looks likely that he initiated this discussion with the original post which is quite clever.
The person that posted that, had no more to say afterwards, which is strangely revealing.
Very good self advertising.
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KR must be thrilled. All this activity must be doing something positive for his Google rankings. Keep it up.
I know it's been said every time there is a Ken Rockwell bashing thread in CR; if you don't like his style then who is compelling you to read? What's the point in getting worked up? Give your blood pressure an even break and read KR occasionally as an entertaining alternative view in an increasingly beige world.
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I know it's been said every time there is a Ken Rockwell bashing thread in CR; if you don't like his style then who is compelling you to read? What's the point in getting worked up? Give your blood pressure an even break and read KR occasionally as an entertaining alternative view in an increasingly beige world.
-PW
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Magnardo said:
I can appreciate that. For more advanced professionals like yourself and most others on this site, what KR discusses is irrelevant. Your career is driven by your own creative intentions and desires. Superficial discussions about whether a 6D or 5Diii or 1Dx is better is pointless when you are trying to break new ground by producing photographs that are new, innovative and relevant. Your need for information on gear and how to put a photo together is based solely on the inspiration that you have and the need to make it a reality. If anything, you'd be looking at advanced lighting and post production techniques - not KR.
OMG, I've written two posts on KR topic. We need to spice things up with some new 7D2, 400mm f/5.6 IS, FF mirrorless, and high MP 3D rumours.
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Wow. At first I was thinking about Scotty on the new Star Trek exclaiming on the bridge (after Kirk and Spock fight) that he likes this ship, it's exciting! Then as I read further I found a new and deeper appreciation and respect for Paul's attitude and posts, among others'. But finally here at the end I just wish I had a bit of my life back.
And FWIW, KR is fine. He's just Ken. Take him or leave him. He seems to mean well. When he cracks me up, that's great. Some of his info is helpful. The rest I just ignore or take with a grain of salt. My brain has had that ability all my life. Enjoy the best, leave the rest. Try to wear a smile and keep moving forward. Have compassion and patience.
No one is perfect but some are not content to see that simple fact stand on its own and for some reason must expend energy pointing out and judging others' imperfections while inadvertently but simultaneously exposing their own. Amazingly, this behavior is self perpetuating and all consuming and as it continues, like a tar baby it simply gets more and more ugly and inescapable. What started out as curious and interesting to watch ends up just being sad and pathetic.
And FWIW, KR is fine. He's just Ken. Take him or leave him. He seems to mean well. When he cracks me up, that's great. Some of his info is helpful. The rest I just ignore or take with a grain of salt. My brain has had that ability all my life. Enjoy the best, leave the rest. Try to wear a smile and keep moving forward. Have compassion and patience.
No one is perfect but some are not content to see that simple fact stand on its own and for some reason must expend energy pointing out and judging others' imperfections while inadvertently but simultaneously exposing their own. Amazingly, this behavior is self perpetuating and all consuming and as it continues, like a tar baby it simply gets more and more ugly and inescapable. What started out as curious and interesting to watch ends up just being sad and pathetic.
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Marsu42 said:paul13walnut5 said:
Great post
No kidding... pass the popcorn will ya
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Got my 6D today and I am really pleased so far. The upgrade in image quality over my 5DMKII is very noticeable to my eye. I like some of the ergonomics better, some less, but I don't think I will have a problem overall with that. Can definitely tell an improvement in focusing speed and accuracy, but I was disappointed to find that the AF points are not even as spread out as the 60D's. I could deal with the limited number of AF points, but they really should have covered more of the frame. Oh well...
My overall impressions are very favorable. IQ is great. Images are noticeably cleaner and superior to my 5DII. The camera feels very good in my hands. I love having more bracketing options. I love the Wi-Fi functionality and the creative options it brings. I like the increased speed in both burst rate and shutter trigger. I certainly prefer the position of the on/off switch over the 5DII. I like having a real Q button. I anticipate being able to AFMA my lenses in both wide and tele positions and improving focus accuracy.
I will miss the joystick (I am keeping the 5DII until I turn it into a 5D3 someday).
I know that the word on the street is negative on video in regards to moire, but I certainly like the better executed manual controls for video over the 5DII.
Overall I am feeling very good about my purchase. I will post a more extensive review to my website when I have spent more time with the camera with some direct comparisons to the 5D2. But, let's put it this way: I feel at this moment I would happily trade my 5DII for another 6D.
My overall impressions are very favorable. IQ is great. Images are noticeably cleaner and superior to my 5DII. The camera feels very good in my hands. I love having more bracketing options. I love the Wi-Fi functionality and the creative options it brings. I like the increased speed in both burst rate and shutter trigger. I certainly prefer the position of the on/off switch over the 5DII. I like having a real Q button. I anticipate being able to AFMA my lenses in both wide and tele positions and improving focus accuracy.
I will miss the joystick (I am keeping the 5DII until I turn it into a 5D3 someday).
I know that the word on the street is negative on video in regards to moire, but I certainly like the better executed manual controls for video over the 5DII.
Overall I am feeling very good about my purchase. I will post a more extensive review to my website when I have spent more time with the camera with some direct comparisons to the 5D2. But, let's put it this way: I feel at this moment I would happily trade my 5DII for another 6D.
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I got a good laugh from hearing how other people also wonder what to make of KR. Sure he goes over the top a bit - but in a way that for me evokes humorist Dave Barry (whom I enjoy). There are some contradictions and yes, like so many "review" sites he wants to benefit if you buy. But he makes that clear, doesn't he? After a long layoff from photography (my last SLR before a 7D was an AE-1) I found KR's site generally helpful and a useful place to learn about more things to research and explore.
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ashmadux
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This post is more about the 6D- sorry ken
Im still reading every bit of info about this camera. Ive been on the fence since it was first announced, But have now finally decided against buying- i would feel like im just getting ripped off from very basic features.
If i can get 9pt all cross on a 65od, why does a camera costing over 2x as much come tiwh one cross point? Honestly the AF was the biggest deciding factor fo4 me. I also feel that when the 70d comes out with all cross AF points, the camera is going look exceedingly embarrassed in comparison.
Im not mad at an SD slot- i have way more of them than i do CF cards- but the one slot argument does have some merit. Taking away the joystick doesn't make anything easier as well.
so ill now try to find some freelance work to help pay for a mark III.
Im still reading every bit of info about this camera. Ive been on the fence since it was first announced, But have now finally decided against buying- i would feel like im just getting ripped off from very basic features.
If i can get 9pt all cross on a 65od, why does a camera costing over 2x as much come tiwh one cross point? Honestly the AF was the biggest deciding factor fo4 me. I also feel that when the 70d comes out with all cross AF points, the camera is going look exceedingly embarrassed in comparison.
Im not mad at an SD slot- i have way more of them than i do CF cards- but the one slot argument does have some merit. Taking away the joystick doesn't make anything easier as well.
so ill now try to find some freelance work to help pay for a mark III.
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