Landscape Lens advice

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Hi Guys

I m a hobbyist and my current gear is: Canon 5d2, canon 7D, 17-40 F4, Sigma 35 1.4 and 70-200 IS 2.8 II.

I m pleased with the results of the 17-40 for Landscapes, but it`s not stelar. I`m considering the Zeiss 21 2.8, any thoughts?

Thanks
João
 
- nothing wrong with the zeiss 21mm; really a great lens, but...

what's your prefered focal? look at your past pictures and get an idea of most used with the 17-40
It might be that 17 is the most used - then you might find yourself unhappy with just 21...you get the point

zoom or prime?
budget?
MF or AF?
to use on the FF body?
can you rent/borrow it?
 
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For landscapes it's unlikely you'll need a wide aperture (unless you're shooting at night), so a f/1.4 or 2.8 isn't a must. 14L is the widest rectilinear lens Canon makes-- but sometimes I find it a bit too wide, making the composition difficult. the 16-35 is a favorite of many as well if you're wanting to stick with an L lens.

However, is there anything in particular you don't like about your 17-40? I don't know that the 16-35 or even the 14 will be a whole lot wider if that's what you're looking for.
 
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14L just doesn't look or work right for landscape photography. Plus it's too expensive and does too little.

If you REALLY want to go full-blast landscape, and are willing to put down the bucks, the 17-TS lens is probably the best, next to the 24-TS. Then I'd go Zeiss 21mm.

If you don't want to lay down all that dough, then it'll be tough because even the 16-35L II is expensive, and in landscape wouldn't offer much over your 17-40 at f/8.

My opinion of course.
 
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Thing about what focal lengths you like before buying.

I like 45mm and 90mm for landscapes, so I would probably go with the 45mm and 90mm TS/E. Most people seem to like wider, but I do feel too wide is cheesy. What does the 17-40mm L lack? The 24mm TS/E should be sharper and I find lens movements essential for landscape, but the flexibility of a zoom is nice.
 
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Policar said:
Thing about what focal lengths you like before buying.

I like 45mm and 90mm for landscapes, so I would probably go with the 45mm and 90mm TS/E. Most people seem to like wider, but I do feel too wide is cheesy. What does the 17-40mm L lack? The 24mm TS/E should be sharper and I find lens movements essential for landscape, but the flexibility of a zoom is nice.

I'm weird but I actuall like 100 or 135 :).
 
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I normally shoot between the 17 and 24 range of focal. I don't mind MF because i normally do it on the 17-40. The main down with the TS lens are the filters, that i use a lot.

The 17-40 is good has i said, but the corners are not so fantastic. I thought the Zeiss because mainly because sharpness and IQ
 
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Joaop...If you aren't shooting buildings or other things with straight lines, then the Zeiss 21mm is supposed to be fantastic. I have not tried it, but have tried other Zeiss lenses, such as the 35 and 100 f/2. Be prepared to compensate with a tad of negative exposure comensation, unless you like blown out highlights (you could try HTP, but that's not always the best thing to use). Zeiss glass has a very wide dynamic range. And you probably already know, but the 21mm has "mustache" distortion that is hard or almost impossible to correct. I assume you aren't interested in going wider than 16 or 17mm?

I personally doubt you will prefer the Zeiss 21mm Distagon, over your 17-40L, given the price difference, and the fixed focal length. Sure it will be better, but the results you will get, won't be indicative of the price difference, in my opinion. If the price difference was a bit less, then I would probably say go for it.

If you plan on even doing part of your landscape work in a city, then I would say either the 17 or 24mm tilt-shift lenses would be essential. Also, if you plan on shooting mountains, from a location well below them, in a valley or something...a tilt-shift would come in handy there as well. The same goes for if you are in a high location looking down on something.

You might also consider trying the Rokinon 14mm f/2.8, since the cost is so low. I bought the 85mm 1.4, and it is extremely sharp. Its color and contrast are not "L" quality, but the sharpness is. My copy at least, also has essentially no CA. Of course there is no AF or aperture control via the camera body. I have no idea how the 14mm would compare; I doubt it is as good, and costs more than the 85, but it's a bit less than any other wide angle lens...and certainly a lot less than any f/2.8 wide angle.

Or, if you are open to other longer focal lengths, I can attest that the Zeiss 35mm f/2, is fantastic. I don't know how it compares to the new Sigma 35mm f/1.4 (for the money and the ability to AF, I would certainly buy the Sigma without hesitation...just based on what I have read and seen...and based on my experience with Sigma). But the Zeiss 35mm f/1.4 is supposed to be a tad sharper than the Zeiss f/2. I frankly don't know how you could tell on a (current) Canon full frame body, although you could certainly tell a difference, if there is much of one, on a D800.

I personally plan on getting the Tokina 16-28 f/2.8, because it is optically superior in some aspects, to the 16-35 Canon, yet costs around half the price. I also need f/2.8 for night photography. If I didn't need f/2.8, I would have just been happy with the 17-40L like you have. It is one of the best lens values offered by Canon, or anyone.
 
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bdunbar79 said:
Policar said:
Thing about what focal lengths you like before buying.

I like 45mm and 90mm for landscapes, so I would probably go with the 45mm and 90mm TS/E. Most people seem to like wider, but I do feel too wide is cheesy. What does the 17-40mm L lack? The 24mm TS/E should be sharper and I find lens movements essential for landscape, but the flexibility of a zoom is nice.

I'm weird but I actuall like 100 or 135 :).

I do, too, but it's hard to get enough depth of field. Do you ever do focus stacking? I've been thinking about it. Lenses are so close to orthographic when zoomed in that a tilt/shift seems unnecessary if you do focus stacking.

I don't get why landscapes are so often associated with UWA lenses. I prefer much longer lenses for landscapes.
 
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Policar said:
bdunbar79 said:
Policar said:
Thing about what focal lengths you like before buying.

I like 45mm and 90mm for landscapes, so I would probably go with the 45mm and 90mm TS/E. Most people seem to like wider, but I do feel too wide is cheesy. What does the 17-40mm L lack? The 24mm TS/E should be sharper and I find lens movements essential for landscape, but the flexibility of a zoom is nice.

I'm weird but I actuall like 100 or 135 :).

I do, too, but it's hard to get enough depth of field. Do you ever do focus stacking? I've been thinking about it. Lenses are so close to orthographic when zoomed in that a tilt/shift seems unnecessary if you do focus stacking.

I don't get why landscapes are so often associated with UWA lenses. I prefer much longer lenses for landscapes.

I agree with you. And no, I don't focus stack yet. Landscape photography is something I haven't really learned to do well yet, but something I'm going to try to learn this spring and summer.
 
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The TS-E 24 is unquestionably my favorite -- nay, for me, the ultimate -- landscape lens. It's the perspective I'm generally looking for, and it is truly unbelievable at how well it lets you incorporate elements both inches and miles away from the lens. Just last week I was at the Superstition Mountains on the east side of the Valley of the Sun. I haven't done the post-processing yet so I won't post the image, but a quarter of the frame was a basketball-sized clump of wildflowers about a foot away from the camera (which was almost on the ground itself), and the skyline was the jagged cliffs of the Superstitions themselves, dominating the sky but still distant. And everything in focus from here to there.

I find 24 wide enough to be expansive, but not so wide that it feels unnatural or that I have trouble framing the subject. For example, with the shot last week, the Superstitions would not have been so imposing, and there would have been too much uninteresting flat ground at the sides of the frame. I would have had to have gotten half again as close to the mountains...and then the perspective would have started to have gotten weird...and there didn't happen to be any wildflowers there, anyway.

And, when I am looking for that type of wraparound all-encompassing view...well, for me, that's what my sniny new toy is for: the 8-15. Such as what I posted here:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=13771.msg249243#msg249243

from the same outing.

Cheers,

b&
 
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I must admit, the TS-E 24 is a cracking good lens. Its very sharp and the TS bit helps in tricky situations. I'll add that to the collection one day. But, after hiring and using the Zeiss 21mm for 2 weeks, I have fallen in luv with the Zeiss UWA lenses. So much so, I've plonked the money down for a 15mm Zeiss. And this from a guy who is a one eyed Canon person ;)

Note: I have particular needs for a lens like this, for use in astrophotography, where sharpness across for the FF is critical.

Perhaps you could hire the Zeiss, to get a feel for it?
 
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The 17-40L is fine if you stop down to f/8 or f/11, corners look fine around 24 - 40mm. But as you said you mainly use it between 17 and 24mm maybe a 17mm TS-E would be better. Personally I think with digital photography nowadays it's rather easy to correct the lens distortion, vignetting and perspective and apply sharpening (selectively). But then I've never used a TS lens before so I could be missing out.

Landscape is a broad term. It really depends on the scene and which parts you are trying to capture. There's no right focal length. Sometimes the compression from a tele lens actually works better. Just my opinion.
 
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