Lens 'resolving power' vs sensors.

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I find all of this fascinating, especially since Canon seems to be on the verge of releasing a high MP sensor and possibly a different EF series lens (although that seems really unclear at the moment).

Could someone go through how to read the MTF chart and what things we should be looking for or noticing on these charts?

Also, how big a part does flange distance play into this? I hear Sony a7r guys getting picky with some lenses because of the shorter flange distance. I think I recall them talking about how this causes problems on ultra wide angle lenses. Is the EF mount with current flange distance on FF setup better because of increased flange distance?
 
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If you listen to salesman they'll try and scare you into believing you'll _need_ new optics. Be careful. They want the sale and don't care about reality or truth.

I see that plenty of people have provided an explanation of sensor resolution. jrista's sensor resolution list is correct.

From my perspective and many years of looking at USAF Resolution Test Chart results (scroll down to "Resolution in Photography" on the right side of my blog - http://photosketchpad.blogspot.fr/) that APS-C/FullFrame sensors are currently the limiting factor to resolution for lenses shot from wide open down thru f/11.

Said succinctly, commercially available optics are more than sufficient to the task when matched to any new Canon Wonder Camera of around 50mpixel.

sanj said:
Hello experts.
I keep hearing that current Canon lenses are not 'good enough' for newer/better sensors. I would really appreciate a lesson on how this works.
Thx...
 
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ChristopherMarkPerez said:
If you listen to salesman they'll try and scare you into believing you'll _need_ new optics. Be careful. They want the sale and don't care about reality or truth.

I see that plenty of people have provided an explanation of sensor resolution. jrista's sensor resolution list is correct.

From my perspective and many years of looking at USAF Resolution Test Chart results (scroll down to "Resolution in Photography" on the right side of my blog - http://photosketchpad.blogspot.fr/) that APS-C/FullFrame sensors are currently the limiting factor to resolution for lenses shot from wide open down thru f/11.

Said succinctly, commercially available optics are more than sufficient to the task when matched to any new Canon Wonder Camera of around 50mpixel.

sanj said:
Hello experts.
I keep hearing that current Canon lenses are not 'good enough' for newer/better sensors. I would really appreciate a lesson on how this works.
Thx...

There are some less sharp lenses that perform tolerably well on full frame (eg the 100-400mm L version 1) but are not nearly as good on crop, whereas some lenses like the very sharp 300mm f/2.8 perform very well on crop. DxO mark quantifies these differences in their measurements, and you can see the degradation in IQ of the softer lenses on the TDP site tests. I have found the same in my own experience. Are you saying that this is all nonsense and that the sharpness of current lenses is of no importance as they are not the limiting factor in resolution?
 
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jrista said:
To start, its best to measure resolution in lp/mm, or line pairs per millimeter. This is a measure of spatial frequencies...light/dark oscillations or waveforms that compose a two dimensional image, be that the virtual image projected by a lens, the image recorded by film or a digital sensor, etc. Measurement in line pairs, or a light line paired with a dark line, is essential to measure microcontrast, or the ability to discern the difference between a light line and a dark line that are right next to each other.

(NOTES: For reference, the human eye is able to discern a line pair when contrast is as low as 9% (this is called Rayleigh Criterion). Modern sensors capable of barely resolving detail around the same level, probably closer to 12-15%, however at such levels details can become inconsistent and often "useless". Low-pass filters are usually used to cut off spatial frequencies somewhere below this level to eliminate what effectively becomes additional image noise and possibly moire in the presence of regular repeated patterns. Sensors can only really resolve a line pair as consistently separate light and dark lines when contrast is about 50%. For any imaging medium to resolve a line pair, it must have twice the resolution as the frequency being sampled...so for a sensor to resolve 100 lp/mm, it must have at least 200 rows of pixels per millimeter. This called the Nyquist Rate, and the maximum resolution of an image that can be captured...the maximum frequency that can be usefully sampled...is the Nyquist Limit.)

Both lenses and sensors have resolution, and they can be measured independently of each other, as well as part of a greater whole. When it comes to sensors, its pretty easy to compute the theoretical resolution. This is usually pretty close, although not exactly the same as, real-world resolution. Real-world resolution can differ a bit when you factor in bayer interpolation, low pass filters, bayer array layout, etc. I'm going to quote from another answer I gave on another topic, as it has relevant information about sensor resolution:

jrista said:
Leon said:
I'm wondering though, how the line widths/ picture height (LW/PH) figures from lense tests translate to sensor resolution.
So 18MP result in 3456 "lines per picture height", while the highest LW/PH scores for APS-C I found were around 2600. If this was a 1:1 conversion, no APS-C sensor above 12MP would be of much use. So I'm guessing that's probably not it. I'd like to find a way to calculate the corresponding sensor resolution to any given lens resolution (and vice versa) OR know why this is not possible. Can anyone help?

If I understand how your measuring LW/PH, then an 18mp APS-C sensor resolves the same as an 18mp FF...both the 7D and the 1D X produce images that have 3456 lines. Generally speaking, a more tech-agnostic way to measure resolution is with lp/mm, or line pairs per millimeter (its important to use the term line pair, which denotes the waveform nature of spatial frequencies, a light line (white) followed by a dark line (black)...for camera sensors, line pairs generally need an MTF of 50% contrast, or not fully resolved but about half way there...to be clearly imaged as a full "line pair"...anything less and you are losing resolution to diffraction). In that respect, the highest resolution APS-C's are able to resolve more detail than an 18mp FF sensor, which is exactly correct...the 7D (or for that matter the Sony A77 @ 24mp APS-C) is a higher resolution sensor from the level of fineness of detail resolved than the 1D X...its just in a smaller package with a crop factor. In resolvable lp/mm, an 18mp APS-C sensor can resolve 115.97 lp/mm (3456 lines/14.9mm sensor height = 231.94 l/mm, divide by two to get lp/mm). The 18mp FF sensor of the 1D X, however, can resolve 72 lp/mm (3456 lines/24mm sensor height = 144 l/mm, divide by two to get lp/mm). It is possible to derive the necessary FF megapixels that would produce the same fineness of detail as an 18mp APS-C sensor if you were interested. Take the height and width of the APS-C, calculate the lp/mm for both dimensions, and derive the image width and height for FF from that by multiplying by the correlated sensor dimensions:

3456L/14.9mm = 231.94 l/mm
5184L/22.3mm = 232.47 l/mm

231.94 l/mm * 24mm = 5566 L
232.47 l/mm * 36mm = 8368 L

5566 * 8368 = 46,576,288 pixels ~= 46.6mp

You would need a 47mp FF sensor to capture the same lp/mm, or "resolution", as an 18mp APS-C sensor. For reference, the 36.3mp Nikon D800 sensor resolves about 102.3 lp/mm, so even though it has greater megapixels than an 18mp 7D, the 7D is still resolving slightly more detail at a pixel level (barring any intrusive factors such as sensor noise...can't say exactly how the noise of the D800 will be in real-world tests.)

The story is not quite as cut and dry as that, given that (excluding Foveon) most sensors are bayer arrays, usually with a low pass filter in front of them, so that mucks with the final resolution a little bit, and makes it tough to nail down nyquist limit...but from a theoretical standpoint, there you have it.

Lenses themselves are projecting a virtual image that is simply recorded by the sensor, however the resolution of the image projected by a lens does not have a single "resolution". Depending on the aperture setting, and whether you measure resolution at the center of the lens or the edge of the lens, lens resolution will vary considerably. Assuming an ideal, or "perfect" lens, one that is entirely free of any form of optical aberration, the maximum possible resolution at maximum apertures above f/4 can FAR outresolve current sensors at minimum detectable contrast, and considerably outresolve them at 50% contrast (a key level, as noted above.)

Perfect lenses are also called "diffraction-limited" lenses, in that the resolution possible is only limited by diffraction and not optical aberrations. Real-world lenses tend to be aberration-limited at wide apertures, and diffraction limited at narrower apertures, and the narrower the aperture, the more diffraction will limit maximum resolution. Thus the reason why a photo will start to soften beyond f/11, and exhibit pronounced degredation beyond f/22, on an APS-C sensor. Because of optical aberrations at wide apertures, lenses exhibit idealistic behavior at middle apertures, such as f/8. However thats just about where things get dicey from a whos-outresolving-who standpoint.

The highest resolution Canon sensor on the market today, their 18mp APS-C sensors, resolve 116 lp/mm (see quote above for reference and details about how this number is derived.) If we assume a perfect lens, at f/2.8 and 50% contrast, you can resolve about 247 lp/mm, which is slightly more than twice what Canon's highest resolution sensors are capable of resolving (for reference, you would need a 210mp FF or 81mp APS-C sensor to resolve that much detail.) Given that real-world lenses are aberration-limited at wide apertures like f/2.8, lets take a more realistic aperture. The Canon 7D 18mp APS-C sensor is diffraction-limited at f/6.9, so if we assume an f/7.1 aperture, we can resolve roughly around 95-100lp/mm. The sensor is now outresolving the lens at this aperture, and all apertures smaller than f/7.1. At f/8 the lens can only resolve 86 lp/mm, f/11 it drops down to 63 lp/mm, and at f/22 it is at a mediocre 30 lp/mm!! The same lens at f/6.3 would probably resolve just about 118 lp/mm, just ever so slightly better than what the sensor is capable of resolving itself.

When it comes to resolution, its not quite a simple as "Lens A outresolves Sensor A, but Lens B does not". For pretty much any lens these days, at f/8, pretty much all modern sensors with at least 15mp are capable of resolving enough detail to match the lens. Its at wider apertures where lenses have the potential to resolve considerably more detail, and how much more depends on how well aberrations (and flare) are controlled. The more aberration and flare control a lens has, the sharper it will be at wider apertures, and the more likely the lens will be to outresolve even the highest density sensors.

As for Canon lenses, it depends on what you mean by current. Canon made a claim (I forget where...I've been searching for the reference) that their "newest" L-series lenses, which at the time seemed to mean their Mark II lenses and all "new entrants", or brand new designs like the 8-15mm L Fisheye, are capable of resolving approximately enough resolution for a 45mp full-frame sensor. This accounts for a fair number of lenses released in the last several years, possibly as far back as 2006-2007. I believe a large part of the reason Canon is starting to release more updated lenses, such as the new 24-70mm f/2.8 L USM II, despite the fact that its predecessor was considered one of their best lenses ever...is to get resolution "up to snuff", and ensure they are capable of resolving enough detail for upcomming (and even current, when accounting for their 18mp APS-C sensors) ultra high resolution sensor designs.

For top end superteles like the 500mm L II and 600mm L II, given the stunning near-perfect MTF charts, I would effectively consider them "perfect", diffraction limited lenses at all apertures, and therefor capable of about 173 lp/mm at f/4. Thats enough resolution for a 103mp FF sensor, or a 40mp APS-C sensor.

I realize that I'm replying to an old post that's part of an old thread with recent activity due to the high mp alleged confirmation by Canon.

I wanted to address one thing in particular though. I question the assumption that recent lenses and mk ii lenses are being refreshed for higher mp sensors, including current aps-c 18mp crop sensors.

I was wondering earlier how the current EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II USM would perform on a higher mp camera, so I tried looking up its resolving power in lp/mm and ran across a review I hadn't read before, by DxOMark stating that for that particular lens its predecessor, the original EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS USM (mk I) had more resolving power. Then in the comments, they stated that it was sharper on aps-c bodies than it is on ff bodies (which I didn't understand). I've not read any other review that made such claims.

Then I decided to look into the new 100-400mm zoom mk II and read that more or less it has about the same resolving power as its predecessor, and the true improvement is in the stabilization upgrade/update. Was it already resolving well enough before? I've never used one, so I don't know.

Any thoughts on this. I am aware that many here are not fans of DxOMark and their results, but the 100-400 II still has me scratching my head.
 
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
sanj said:
Hello experts.
I keep hearing that current Canon lenses are not 'good enough' for newer/better sensors. I would really appreciate a lesson on how this works.
Thx...

Who did you hear it from, and how did they take their measurements of the lens MTF? Most of the online lens testers, including DXO test a lens on a camera, and in every case I've seen, the camera sensor has been the limiting factor.

Roger Cicala at Lens Rentals has the capability to test a lens by itself (No camera attached), and has posted a couple of actual lens MTF values for some conditions. A lens like the 24-70 f/2.8 L MK II or the 70-200mm f/2.8 MK II is supurb. Easily capable of handling high MP sensors. The Canon lenses may be slightly better than the Nikon equivalent, but they are both fantastic lenses.

Here is some more reading on the subject. Jrista throws out a lot of terms that you might not understand, this will help understand what they mean, as well as the other factors that are involved in grading a lens.

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/lens-quality-mtf-resolution.htm

I hear this from the Sony fanboys (not to be confused with Sony enthusiasts) and sales people (which I know has been discussed in this thread). I know people are about the latest technology (I am definitely in the category of wanting to get in the Sony pool to get higher MP with a lighter, smaller camera) but if I have heard this once I have heard it a thousand times. Everyone acts like my 50 1.2L, 85 1.2 L, 300 ii 2.8, etc. are relics that couldn't possibly handle a ~50 MP sensor.

This is why I searched out this topic. I asked myself is this why Sony lenses start at ~$1,000 and go up for slower speeds than I am use to owning? Is this why the don't produce a $500 50mm? I don't know the answers.

I do know Canon has taken its sweet time with higher MP's.
 
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Mitch.Conner said:
I realize that I'm replying to an old post that's part of an old thread with recent activity due to the high mp alleged confirmation by Canon.

I wanted to address one thing in particular though. I question the assumption that recent lenses and mk ii lenses are being refreshed for higher mp sensors, including current aps-c 18mp crop sensors.

I was wondering earlier how the current EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II USM would perform on a higher mp camera, so I tried looking up its resolving power in lp/mm and ran across a review I hadn't read before, by DxOMark stating that for that particular lens its predecessor, the original EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS USM (mk I) had more resolving power. Then in the comments, they stated that it was sharper on aps-c bodies than it is on ff bodies (which I didn't understand). I've not read any other review that made such claims.

Then I decided to look into the new 100-400mm zoom mk II and read that more or less it has about the same resolving power as its predecessor, and the true improvement is in the stabilization upgrade/update. Was it already resolving well enough before? I've never used one, so I don't know.

Any thoughts on this. I am aware that many here are not fans of DxOMark and their results, but the 100-400 II still has me scratching my head.


Well, your relying on DXO. :P Guess that's enough said. ;D


One thing I will say is, older Canon lenses often resolved very well in the center, and very poorly in the corners. For film, where huge enlargements were not as common (most of the time, it was smaller enlargements or contact prints, so maybe 8x10 tops on average), poorer corners were probably not as much of a problem. Newer Canon lenses and the Mark III TCs have all been addressing corner performance. Some of Canon's newer lenses did not improve center or midframe resolution much...but improved corner resolution a ton. Some lenses, like many of the new Great White Mark II generation, improved resolving power across the board.


For the best lens resolution tests around, check out Roger Cicala's LensRentals blog. He regularly tests new lenses, using an optical test bench (so he's testing LENSES, not camera systems), and his comparisons tend to be more accurate and generic than most. None of this "limited by the sensor" crap that skews and convolutes results. :P
 
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jrista said:
Mitch.Conner said:
I realize that I'm replying to an old post that's part of an old thread with recent activity due to the high mp alleged confirmation by Canon.

I wanted to address one thing in particular though. I question the assumption that recent lenses and mk ii lenses are being refreshed for higher mp sensors, including current aps-c 18mp crop sensors.

I was wondering earlier how the current EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II USM would perform on a higher mp camera, so I tried looking up its resolving power in lp/mm and ran across a review I hadn't read before, by DxOMark stating that for that particular lens its predecessor, the original EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS USM (mk I) had more resolving power. Then in the comments, they stated that it was sharper on aps-c bodies than it is on ff bodies (which I didn't understand). I've not read any other review that made such claims.

Then I decided to look into the new 100-400mm zoom mk II and read that more or less it has about the same resolving power as its predecessor, and the true improvement is in the stabilization upgrade/update. Was it already resolving well enough before? I've never used one, so I don't know.

Any thoughts on this. I am aware that many here are not fans of DxOMark and their results, but the 100-400 II still has me scratching my head.


Well, your relying on DXO. :P Guess that's enough said. ;D


One thing I will say is, older Canon lenses often resolved very well in the center, and very poorly in the corners. For film, where huge enlargements were not as common (most of the time, it was smaller enlargements or contact prints, so maybe 8x10 tops on average), poorer corners were probably not as much of a problem. Newer Canon lenses and the Mark III TCs have all been addressing corner performance. Some of Canon's newer lenses did not improve center or midframe resolution much...but improved corner resolution a ton. Some lenses, like many of the new Great White Mark II generation, improved resolving power across the board.


For the best lens resolution tests around, check out Roger Cicala's LensRentals blog. He regularly tests new lenses, using an optical test bench (so he's testing LENSES, not camera systems), and his comparisons tend to be more accurate and generic than most. None of this "limited by the sensor" crap that skews and convolutes results. :P
Also Roger tests multiple copies of lenses and his lenses are normal retail lenses. I am always suspicious of lens tests where the manufacturer sends the tester 1 copy of the lens.... odds are that the 1 lens is cherry picked and is not representative of a typical lens....
 
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JRISTA, I would just like to say, "THANK YOU" for posting this enlightening info, (and even doing so without a grandiose, self-absorbed ego, I might add). You obviously have a serious optical engineering fund of information. Aside from thanking you, I am posting here so I might be able to search this post again and read it a few more times. Again, thanks! :)
 
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LovePhotography said:
JRISTA, I would just like to say, "THANK YOU" for posting this enlightening info, (and even doing so without a grandiose, self-absorbed ego, I might add). You obviously have a serious optical engineering fund of information. Aside from thanking you, I am posting here so I might be able to search this post again and read it a few more times. Again, thanks! :)

I would also like to add my appreciation to jrista for his posts which always include "numbers" in his explanations as well as worked examples.

To many bluffers on this site who have read a book or so and think they are experts on very technical matters.
 
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jrista said:
Mitch.Conner said:
I realize that I'm replying to an old post that's part of an old thread with recent activity due to the high mp alleged confirmation by Canon.

I wanted to address one thing in particular though. I question the assumption that recent lenses and mk ii lenses are being refreshed for higher mp sensors, including current aps-c 18mp crop sensors.

I was wondering earlier how the current EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II USM would perform on a higher mp camera, so I tried looking up its resolving power in lp/mm and ran across a review I hadn't read before, by DxOMark stating that for that particular lens its predecessor, the original EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS USM (mk I) had more resolving power. Then in the comments, they stated that it was sharper on aps-c bodies than it is on ff bodies (which I didn't understand). I've not read any other review that made such claims.

Then I decided to look into the new 100-400mm zoom mk II and read that more or less it has about the same resolving power as its predecessor, and the true improvement is in the stabilization upgrade/update. Was it already resolving well enough before? I've never used one, so I don't know.

Any thoughts on this. I am aware that many here are not fans of DxOMark and their results, but the 100-400 II still has me scratching my head.


Well, your relying on DXO. :P Guess that's enough said. ;D


One thing I will say is, older Canon lenses often resolved very well in the center, and very poorly in the corners. For film, where huge enlargements were not as common (most of the time, it was smaller enlargements or contact prints, so maybe 8x10 tops on average), poorer corners were probably not as much of a problem. Newer Canon lenses and the Mark III TCs have all been addressing corner performance. Some of Canon's newer lenses did not improve center or midframe resolution much...but improved corner resolution a ton. Some lenses, like many of the new Great White Mark II generation, improved resolving power across the board.


For the best lens resolution tests around, check out Roger Cicala's LensRentals blog. He regularly tests new lenses, using an optical test bench (so he's testing LENSES, not camera systems), and his comparisons tend to be more accurate and generic than most. None of this "limited by the sensor" crap that skews and convolutes results. :P

There's a few other factors to consider here. Most f2.8 zooms are tested in the middle of their zoom range. The mkII's are optimised at their previously weakest point...at the long end or the wide end, depending on which lens. The 70-200 f2.8 LIS II is a lot sharper at 200mm f2.8 then the mkI. But it's slightly softer at 70mm. Stop down to f8 and both lenses are just as sharp as each other. There is little difference.
The 24-70L was optimised for the 70mm end, the new one is better at the 24mm end. Again, stop down a few stops and there is little between them.

On most zoom Lenses, sharpness often changes slightly through the focal range and focus range. Very few test sites take this into account. A lens which is really sharp at one end of the focal range at infinity will have a different sharpness score than one at the other end of the focal range and at Minimum Focus Distance. We are also assuming that every photo is taken on a quality tripod and with perfect focusing.

Photographers often get themselves twisted up over minor sharpness issues, making big purchase decisions over very minor issues. I've been using a 21-22mp sensor since the 5DII (and currently 5DIII) and I've found that it's a really good sensor density for all of my photographic needs. It's an optimum balance between sharpness, resolution, noise, lens resolution burden and file size convenience. I'm really not that fussed about a 40+ mp full frame camera, which is against the tide of a lot of forum thinking.

Photography isn't so much about the kit as it is about a great photograph. Too much attention on the science of photography can pull us away from the the reason we have the kit. Yes the kit helps, the science part...but really it's about the art of the photo not the process or kit. Talk to most great photographers and they rarely talk about kit or technique.
 
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I agree that in the end it is mostly about the photograph and the technique. We are all after the holy grail of stunning, beautiful, compelling photography, and that's what we should strive for.


That said, people DO make new purchases as they find the need to expand their kit. You can either be educated, and understand the nuances of optical and sensor resolution and how they work together to affect your final results, and therefor be properly equipped to make the best decision FOR YOU.... Or, you can listen to all the myths and propaganda that permeate the web about resolution (i.e. that the diffraction limit is a hard cutoff, after which smaller pixels behave more poorly than larger pixels...complete and utter TRASH!) and poorly managed black-box "single number" testing (i.e. like DXO), and make the wrong decision based on bad or wrong information.


I believe it is helpful and important to understand how the equipment in your hand works when it comes time to change or upgrade equipment. It may not matter in the field when your out there shooting, and your mind should be focused on all the other aspects. But when the time comes to actually buy a new lens, it's important to know whether you NEED to buy that $4000 Otus....or whether that $1000 Sigma would serve your needs perfectly well. There are some use cases where an Otus is probably the only lens that will give certain photographers the kind of IQ you want, but the Sigma would probably serve most more than well enough...and you should be properly equipped to make that decision with REAL FACTS, rather than myths and misunderstanding.


That's why I take the time to say the same boring things over, and over, and over, and over....and over again. :P Because these damnable myths just won't die! :o
 
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GMCPhotographics said:
Photography isn't so much about the kit as it is about a great photograph. Too much attention on the science of photography can pull us away from the the reason we have the kit. Yes the kit helps, the science part...but really it's about the art of the photo not the process or kit. Talk to most great photographers and they rarely talk about kit or technique.
There is a wide range of great photographers, some pushing the techniques more than others, like e.g. Ansel Adams or Lennart Nilsson. Then there is photography where technique is of dominant importance, like in medical photography or the astrophotography that jrista engages in. Contrast this to e.g. photo journalism, where "f/8 and be there" is the guiding principle. What I want to say is, photographers put emphasis on different things, and there is no "right" or "wrong" amount of attention given to technical details. In general, though, I believe that mastering your tools by knowing their limits is helpful, even in situations where it's not critical. Knowledge is power!
 
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jrista said:
Happy to help. :) It's just a hobby, really...well, a hobby that assists me in my other hobby, really. :D I like to know everything about what I do, so as a photographer, well, I had to know how sensors and lenses worked. So I researched it.

Just wanted to point out that the lp/mm for each sensor posted way above are only correct if you have monochrome sensors with tiny pixels (low fill factor) without microlenses and without an AA filter. If you have a Bayer sensor with real pixels and an AA filter, you're going to need at least 2.5 and maybe closer to 3 pixels per line pair.
 
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Lee Jay said:
jrista said:
Happy to help. :) It's just a hobby, really...well, a hobby that assists me in my other hobby, really. :D I like to know everything about what I do, so as a photographer, well, I had to know how sensors and lenses worked. So I researched it.

Just wanted to point out that the lp/mm for each sensor posted way above are only correct if you have monochrome sensors with tiny pixels (low fill factor) without microlenses and without an AA filter. If you have a Bayer sensor with real pixels and an AA filter, you're going to need at least 2.5 and maybe closer to 3 pixels per line pair.


If you actually read my post, I stated as much.
 
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jrista said:
Lee Jay said:
jrista said:
Happy to help. :) It's just a hobby, really...well, a hobby that assists me in my other hobby, really. :D I like to know everything about what I do, so as a photographer, well, I had to know how sensors and lenses worked. So I researched it.

Just wanted to point out that the lp/mm for each sensor posted way above are only correct if you have monochrome sensors with tiny pixels (low fill factor) without microlenses and without an AA filter. If you have a Bayer sensor with real pixels and an AA filter, you're going to need at least 2.5 and maybe closer to 3 pixels per line pair.


If you actually read my post, I stated as much.

You made a passing reference to this in a different post and then posted wrong numbers and proceeded to reference those wrong numbers. If you knew this, why not just use more correct numbers?
 
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