Lets get the 70D/7D Mark II rumors flowing!

[heron88]

Now that the 5D Mark III has been released, hopefully we will start seeing rumors for the 60D and 7D replacements. 5D Mark III looks like a great camera, unfortunately its not in my price range.

I know most people think Photokina in September for the crop-sensor camera replacements, but can I hope for something before summer time? Does Canon have any incentive to get all these crop-sensor cameras out before the olympics this summer?

 

[unfocused]

I posted this on a previous thread that appears to have been buried by the 5DIII avalanche. So, apologies in advance for repeating myself:

7D II
18-21 Mp APS-C Sensor (Possibly back-lit)
Improved Dynamic Range
ISO Native to 12800 (Very clean to 6400. Image quality will be equal to or better than the APS-H 1D IV))
10 Frames Per Second
45 AF points, 19 Cross Type
Weather and Dust resistant sealing
Introductory Price $1,899 U.S.

7Dx
Same basic features as above plus
14 Frames Per Second
One-piece integrated grip and body with weather and dust sealing to the same standards as 1Dx.
Integrated LAN port
Introductory Price $2,600 U.S.

Most likely announcement date will be 1-2 weeks prior to Photokina.

This provides sufficient improvements to encourage current 7D owners to upgrade. It does not cannibalize the 5DIII (a problem with the current 7D) and allows Canon to justify the significant price differential between the 5DIII and the 7DII.

With the introduction of the 7DX, Canon fills the slot left by the demise of the 1D IV, giving professional sports and wildlife shooters basically the same camera in terms of performance and image quality in a more versatile 1.6 crop factor.

The specs are approximate and meant only to illustrate the general direction that Canon seems headed based on Canon's 5DIII and 1Dx.

 

[Astro]

I posted this on a previous thread that appears to have been buried by the 5DIII avalanche. So, apologies in advance for repeating myself:

and the source for this is?

or is it your wishlist?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Do you want manufactured rumors, or real leaks?

 

[unfocused]

I posted this on a previous thread that appears to have been buried by the 5DIII avalanche. So, apologies in advance for repeating myself:

and the source for this is?

or is it your wishlist?

The specs are approximate and meant only to illustrate the general direction that Canon seems headed based on Canon's 5DIII and 1Dx.

Not difficult to predict, based on what we have seen so far. CR Guy is in the business of reporting rumors, I am in the business of studying trends and extrapolating from those trends. So, this is a prediction. Come back when the 7D is announced and we'll see how close it is.

 

[jrista]

With the introduction of the 7DX, Canon fills the slot left by the demise of the 1D IV, giving professional sports and wildlife shooters basically the same camera in terms of performance and image quality in a more versatile 1.6 crop factor.

The 7Dx seems particularly unrealistic and very wish-listy. Having 14fps, integrated grip AND the same weather sealing as the 1D X? Sounds like an APS-C verion of the 1D X at an UNBELIEVABLE discount. Canon won't put their flagship features in a third-tier pro body...they are the key selling points for their top-tier body, and the reason people spend all that money. Second, I don't think the 1D IV can have any actual replacement unless its replacement includes f/8 AF, and until such a replacement comes along (and here's to hoping it actually materializes in the 1D X before it hits the streets), I see the 1D IV remaining as a key player in Canon's lineup.

 

[MikeHunt]

Canon priced the new EF 24-70 2.8L @ +1000 above the mark 1 version, then they price the 5D3 @ +1000 to the 5D2, so they'll obviously price the 7D2 @ +1000 to the current 7D price, so it will be in the $2300-2500 range.

Can anyone see them pricing a much-improved 7D with 45 AF points + Dual Digic 5 (note NOT the 5+) chips for sub-$2000? ???

 

[AprilForever]

7D MK II:

24 MP APS-C

10 FPS

DIGIC 5+

Dual Card Slots

61 pt AF

Improved Weather Sealing

Price: 2699.00

 

[jrista]

7D MK II:

24 MP APS-C

A 24mp APS-C is really pushing density. That would be somewhere around 2.6 micron pixels, which is going to put a lot of strain on quantum efficiency. To provide a comparison, the 5D III's new 22.3mp sensor has 6.25 micron pixels, down ever so slightly from the 6.4 micron pixels of the 5D II. Its ISO gains seem to be largely thanks to greatly reduced read noise from the amplifiers and ADC, leaving the bulk of the rest of the noise to photon shot noise and QE differences per pixel. The 5D III's FF sensor would have 140% more efficient pixels than a 24mp APS-C sensor. It may be possible to greatly improve quantum efficiency, to say 66% or maybe 75%, outside of that, I'm not really sure a 24mp APS-C would perform all that well on the noise front (and this is indicated by the current Sony 24mp APS-C sensor, which also has very low read noise...but is noisy as hell.)

There is still a lot of room to grow in FF sensors because their pixels are still fairly large, but APS-C sensors are really pushing some major limits now.

 

[Kahuna]

I was worried that I would be bored and have nothing to read after the 5DIII launced. I think I was mistaken. This 7D/7DX thing will be just as fun.

How about diggin up that mythical 3D again bet it will be a Nikon Killer ;D

 

[jrista]

If I had to pick what I would like to see in the next 7D, it would be something along the lines of the following:

7D Mark II
- 18mp APS-C (possibly 16mp, if necessary, to achieve below)
- Improved QE from 7D I (which is about 41%) to at least 50%
- Same low read noise as 5D III
- Improved high ISO by a stop (ISO 12800)
- This may be asking for too much...I'd be happy with lower-noise ISO 6400 and 3200!
- Increased frame rate to 10fps
- (I'd like 14, but even that is relegated to mirror-lockup mode in the 1D X...I'd be plenty happy with 10fps, and if thats not possible, 8fps is still great!)
- Increased continuous frames, to at least 25 (up from 15 in original 7D)
- Improved AF system, such as a 41pt all cross-type reticular AF with similar APS-C frame spread, point expansion, zones, etc.
- Maybe get that nice center vertical strip of doubly sensitive cross-type points the 1D X has
- Dual CF (or CF/SD card slots, although dual CF is preferable), and/or support for faster cards to support a longer continuous buffer (35 frames maybe...would be REALLY nice?)

I'd be PERFECTLY happy with the next 7D remaining as an 18mp sensor. If Canon can reduce read noise to acceptable levels, 18mp is a great resolution (and based on some of my poking around with the sample 5D III shots available from Canon in Photoshop and Lightroom by tweaking levels or exposure...I have yet to see a scrap if high or low ISO fixed-pattern banding noise...so I think the read noise problem has been taken care of with Digic5+ and however Canon is fabricating sensors now.) I'd even be willing to drop down to 16mp if it helped lower photon noise a bit more, which would make ISO 3200 and 6400 more usable.

One of the things I run into a lot with my 7D is that memory card space fills up FAST. At 8fps on a 16Gb card, you get about 600 RAW shots. When your firing away in burst mode, you can drop 20+ frames in a few seconds. It would be nice to have dual slots and the ability to automatically switch to the secondary when the first fills up. For those situations where your in extreme environments...pouring rain, muddy swamps, raging blizzards...it would be nice to allocate the second card as a backup, in case the first gets damaged.

 

[foobar]

I think the 5D3 already shows where the 7D2 is headed. After all, these cameras have probably been developed mostly in parallel and the 5D3 already borrows a lot of stuff from the original 7D design.

Therefore I expect:
- Pretty much a 5D3 body with an APS-C sensor and a pop-up flash
- All the new software features from the 5D Mark III
- New sensor, but staying at 18mp (there were rumors about that a while ago and I hope they are true)

I'm not sure if they'll give it a new AF system or update the current one (low-light AF performance could be improved but apart from that, the 7D's AF is pretty nice).


Overall, the 7D Mark II will probably be more of an evolutional upgrade. Canon's APS-C line already had it's "revolution" when the original 7D was released, and in terms of features, that camera is still pretty much up-to-date compared to the competition.

 

[jrista]

I'm not sure if they'll give it a new AF system or update the current one (low-light AF performance could be improved but apart from that, the 7D's AF is pretty nice).

I agree, the 7D AF system is pretty nice as it is. It does miss a bit in dimmer light at f/5.6, but that can be corrected with improved skill with the AF system. I would be nice to have a reticular AF system though...it would make point expansion more useful, and zones should be more useful as well.

 

[Renato]

Therefore I expect:
- Pretty much a 5D3 body with an APS-C sensor and a pop-up flash
- All the new software features from the 5D Mark III
- New sensor, but staying at 18mp (there were rumors about that a while ago and I hope they are true)

That would make a lot of sense! Cut in development cost, reuse most of the great stuff and MULTIPLIY IT BY 1.6. My dream camera would be the new 7D II for the 1.6 crop factor. I use my 7D for bird photography and the 1.6 crop gets those birds a lot closer with less weight from a big lens. I can carry my 7D all day with a 100-400mm zoom and get fantastic pictures and video. My real problem begins at ISO 3200 and above, the noise level is terrible so a new sensor, hopefully back-light, would be adorable. This is a must for bird photography in primary forest where the light almost never hits the forest floor. I do not have a lot of interest in the great 5d and 1D x ONLY because they do not have the 1.6 crop factor.

 

[bonedaddy.p7]

I posted this on a previous thread that appears to have been buried by the 5DIII avalanche. So, apologies in advance for repeating myself:

7D II
18-21 Mp APS-C Sensor (Possibly back-lit)
Improved Dynamic Range
ISO Native to 12800 (Very clean to 6400. Image quality will be equal to or better than the APS-H 1D IV))
10 Frames Per Second
45 AF points, 19 Cross Type
Weather and Dust resistant sealing
Introductory Price $1,899 U.S.

7Dx
Same basic features as above plus
14 Frames Per Second
One-piece integrated grip and body with weather and dust sealing to the same standards as 1Dx.
Integrated LAN port
Introductory Price $2,600 U.S.

Most likely announcement date will be 1-2 weeks prior to Photokina.

This provides sufficient improvements to encourage current 7D owners to upgrade. It does not cannibalize the 5DIII (a problem with the current 7D) and allows Canon to justify the significant price differential between the 5DIII and the 7DII.

With the introduction of the 7DX, Canon fills the slot left by the demise of the 1D IV, giving professional sports and wildlife shooters basically the same camera in terms of performance and image quality in a more versatile 1.6 crop factor.

The specs are approximate and meant only to illustrate the general direction that Canon seems headed based on Canon's 5DIII and 1Dx.

both of those sound pretty nice, even though it's 1k above my budget, I'd be in for a 7DX with those specs.

Realistically I'd be down for an improved sensor with cleaner output, better ISO and improved DR at 1800USD(street), they'd be minor updates but there isn't much wrong with the current 7D. I'd consider improved AF and a swivel screen bonuses.

The 5DIII looks REALLY nice but it's far too above my spending limits and I'd be in for almost all-new glass so it's a no go for me. I can't wait for the 7DII leaks!

 

[D_Rochat]

My prediction is that the 7D falls off the face of the earth leaving the 70D as the King of the Crops. 70D goes back to the magnesium body, retains 8fps, new sensor still at 18mp, updated AF system, CF/SD slots, same body layout as the 5DIII but with pop up flash and an included 7D II decal for those who are obsessed with owning a XD series rather than a XXD. Price? $2000.

 

[dunkers]

Agreed. I hope they reestablish the 70D back to where it should have been. The 7D really threw everything off imo.

If they do release a 7Dmk II that it comes in around $2k so they don't have to cripple the features of the 70D as much.

 

[D_Rochat]

I forgot to add that $2000 does seem a tad steap for a XXD, but keep in mind it would essentially be a 7D mkII rebadged as the true prosumer body. The XXXXD and XXXD are still around at a low enough cost to get new people in allowing them to get their feet wet. If they choose to progress, $2000 won't stop most people from jumping up to the next level of bodies.

 

[Tuggem]

(and this is indicated by the current Sony 24mp APS-C sensor, which also has very low read noise...but is noisy as hell.)

This is incorrect information. The Sony 24MP APC-C sensor has the same noise performance as their 16MP sensor. Both outperform 7D at high iso noise.
According to DXOMARK the difference between NEX-5n and NEX-7 is less than 0.1 stop. This has also been confirmed by several others by subjective IQ tests.

 

[MikeHunt]

My prediction is that the 7D falls off the face of the earth leaving the 70D as the King of the Crops. 70D goes back to the magnesium body, retains 8fps, new sensor still at 18mp, updated AF system, CF/SD slots, same body layout as the 5DIII but with pop up flash and an included 7D II decal for those who are obsessed with owning a XD series rather than a XXD. Price? $2000.

Are you on drugs or what?! 7D is one of Canon's best selling and most popular cameras. 5000 Pro's were surveyed so that Canon could come up with the specs for the 7D

I think the 5D3 already shows where the 7D2 is headed. After all, these cameras have probably been developed mostly in parallel and the 5D3 already borrows a lot of stuff from the original 7D design.

Therefore I expect:
- Pretty much a 5D3 body with an APS-C sensor and a pop-up flash
- All the new software features from the 5D Mark III
- New sensor, but staying at 18mp (there were rumors about that a while ago and I hope they are true)

I'm not sure if they'll give it a new AF system or update the current one (low-light AF performance could be improved but apart from that, the 7D's AF is pretty nice).


Overall, the 7D Mark II will probably be more of an evolutional upgrade. Canon's APS-C line already had it's "revolution" when the original 7D was released, and in terms of features, that camera is still pretty much up-to-date compared to the competition.

Now this guy knows what he's talking about. 7D is up-to-date and in September Canon will anounce a MK2 version that will cost a whole lot more