More Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Talk [CR2]

[whothafunk]

I find the Anti-Flicker to be amazing.... my number 1 complaint of taking indoor sports photography (basketball/volleyball) is that damn flicker and cannot WAIT for the 5D4 to have this new feature

i shoot volleyball, handball and basketball on weekly basis and in my experience, once i tried using anti-flicker a couple of times, i left if OFF for good. As Canon states it the 7D2 manual, it actually delays the burst and i lost many good moments because of it. it's just not that good, but i reckon they will maybe somewhat "upgrade" it on the following bodies.

but im planning on buying used 1DX once 1DX2 is released. prices should drop significantly on 1DX and it bet it will still be a DSLR worth having even with the 1DX2's release.

 

[ahsanford]

It's ok. I will wait for the 1Dx Mark III to come out so that the issues in the Mark II will be addressed and corrected. :
By then, I can buy the 1Dx Mark II for $3,500 and still feel that my photography is somehow better than it already is with the gear that I own. Remember the rule of thumb: A latest and greatest camera only makes the photographer more professional than the previous generation of photographers out there.

After all, a photographer is only as good as the video features that his photo-camera can make; not those silly old stills produced with the $30-50K of glass attached to it.

*Sarcasm folks! Sheesh!*

That's such an amateur rig. Who doesn't camo their ball head?!

- A

 

[tpatana]

I find the Anti-Flicker to be amazing.... my number 1 complaint of taking indoor sports photography (basketball/volleyball) is that damn flicker and cannot WAIT for the 5D4 to have this new feature

i shoot volleyball, handball and basketball on weekly basis and in my experience, once i tried using anti-flicker a couple of times, i left if OFF for good. As Canon states it the 7D2 manual, it actually delays the burst and i lost many good moments because of it.

I haven't used those myself, but the wait for the next peak is average around 8ms, and even max around 15ms or so (assuming 60Hz power, so 120Hz peak to peak time). Considering that's just a fraction compared to normal person reaction time, I'd say it's more feeling than actual added delay. Unless it needs to wait several cycles for the peak, then it would be problem for sure. Can someone confirm if it fires at first peak, or needs to wait several?

 

[gunship01]

@ahsanford

So true! But hopefully (fingers crossed), Canon will finally release the EOS-1DW as another model in the line-up of this upcoming series. I can't wait for the wildlife version of the 1D! The time is now! One camera to rule them all! ;D

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/News-Post.aspx?News=9393

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Slick! Think this version will be more or less than the $6K this camera will debut at?

 

[sublime LightWorks]

Canon would be silly not to make it dual CFast. That would support 4K and prolonged high fps bursts. So what if CFast is expensive? I'm sure anyone with the funds to preorder a 1D X Mark II can afford it.

This is exactly what I said on the last 1DX mk2 thread, but some here think otherwise. They have their heads in the sand, Canon will not use two different card types on the 1DX mk2. It would defeat the purpose and ability of dual write of images (RAW) to both cards to produce a backup copy during shooting and maintain full shooting speed.

Dual CFast is what we will get.

 

[Loswr]

...Canon will not use two different card types on the 1DX mk2. It would defeat the purpose and ability of dual write of images (RAW) to both cards to produce a backup copy during shooting and maintain full shooting speed.

Dual CFast is what we will get.

While I agree with you concerning the 1D X II, the prior 1-series bodies had a mix of two different card types.

 

[Stu_bert]

...Canon will not use two different card types on the 1DX mk2. It would defeat the purpose and ability of dual write of images (RAW) to both cards to produce a backup copy during shooting and maintain full shooting speed.

Dual CFast is what we will get.

While I agree with you concerning the 1D X II, the prior 1-series bodies had a mix of two different card types.

damn, beat me to it

Both the MK III and MK IV had mixture, with the good old SD slot being nicely slower. The 1DX fixed that and it is unlikely they will regress..

Plus of course the C300 MK II has CFast, so it is tested Tech for Canon.

 

[Stu_bert]

The Canon EOS-1D X Mark II will be Canon’s next full frame camera and we expect it to be shipping before NAB 2016 rolls around in April of 2016.
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Makes sense, the Nikon D5 is also due for release Q1, and Canikon have a freaky track record of releasing their flagship bodies very close to each other and also with pretty close specs. As though there is some exchange of info behind closed doors, lol

 

[ahsanford]

The Canon EOS-1D X Mark II will be Canon’s next full frame camera and we expect it to be shipping before NAB 2016 rolls around in April of 2016.
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Makes sense, the Nikon D5 is also due for release Q1, and Canikon have a freaky track record of releasing their flagship bodies very close to each other and also with pretty close specs. As though there is some exchange of info behind closed doors, lol

On that front, you only can do so much better than best in class in the core 1DX / D4S areas -- fps, DR, pixels, high iso, AF points, etc. so why not roll the dice on features?

We use 4K as the end-all be-all example of this, but what about other things? Canon has a ton of room to offer feature-based value to photogs:

• Anti-flicker mode, DPAF, etc. (a certainty, right?)
  
  
• Tilty-flippy screen (if so inclined, most could just lock it in place if not)
  
  
• Something radical on the OVF (2 new colors? Metering that can lightningly quick turn non-focus point AF points into shadow and highlight clip areas? Some sort of novel MF assist?)
  
  
• Give the grips recessed/tracked arca plates

I'm completely spitballing here, but in other words, if you can only improve the camera 10%, why just settle for that? Go big away from the headlining grabbing 'power train' of usual specs people look for. Offer something that we aren't expecting that will save us time, recover lost shots, make painful to do thing X now 50% less painful to do, etc.

Think about how the silent shutter was received on the 5D3. Sure, some mirrorless rigs already had that, but working pros at events & weddings along with street folks really lost their s--- over that, and it had nothing to do with 4K or the sensor.

- A

 

[Talley]

It works like a charm..... and every Canon DSLR that has come out since the 7D2 has it..... I think it is a safe bet that the 1DX2 and 5D4 will also have it....

To me, this is just one more example of those little things that all add up to make a great camera....

But there is no DXO metric for performance in a dimly lit warehouse with flickering lights. (They just have one for performance in a dimly lit warehouse without flickering lights.)

I fail to understand why Canon would waste an iota of effort on something that won't increase our standing at the altar of DXO. Less features! I want to push shadows 7 stops. That's where it's at, people.

- A

I don't even go to DXO. I buy the camera and test for myself what they can do. I make the perfect judge....

but to some who don't have funds need to have silly websites with scoring systems that mean nothing of real use.

I don't care if sony or nikon had a camera 1,000x better... my hands were born for Canon ergodynamics. Nikon cameras hurt my hands and so do sony. Everything about Canon I love. It's a fit for me.... There is no dark side or Sony thought in my blood. I've tried them... my hands refuse to like them. It's not me... but they make the decision. I hold my cameras for long periods of times (games 1hr+) Canon has the perfect camera feel.

 

[Talley]

The Canon EOS-1D X Mark II will be Canon’s next full frame camera and we expect it to be shipping before NAB 2016 rolls around in April of 2016.
<Snip>

Makes sense, the Nikon D5 is also due for release Q1, and Canikon have a freaky track record of releasing their flagship bodies very close to each other and also with pretty close specs. As though there is some exchange of info behind closed doors, lol

On that front, you only can do so much better than best in class in the core 1DX / D4S areas -- fps, DR, pixels, high iso, AF points, etc. so why not roll the dice on features?

We use 4K as the end-all be-all example of this, but what about other things? Canon has a ton of room to offer feature-based value to photogs:

• Anti-flicker mode, DPAF, etc. (a certainty, right?)
  
  
• Tilty-flippy screen (if so inclined, most could just lock it in place if not)
  
  
• Something radical on the OVF (2 new colors? Metering that can lightningly quick turn non-focus point AF points into shadow and highlight clip areas? Some sort of novel MF assist?)
  
  
• Give the grips recessed/tracked arca plates

I'm completely spitballing here, but in other words, if you can only improve the camera 10%, why just settle for that? Go big away from the headlining grabbing 'power train' of usual specs people look for. Offer something that we aren't expecting that will save us time, recover lost shots, make painful to do thing X now 50% less painful to do, etc.

Think about how the silent shutter was received on the 5D3. Sure, some mirrorless rigs already had that, but working pros at events & weddings along with street folks really lost their s--- over that, and it had nothing to do with 4K or the sensor.

- A

In my opinion the 1DXII (or 5d4) should have:

more silent shutter close to the 7D2
anti-flicker
dual pixel tech
triple card slots (two cfast and one sd slot)
15fps
45 frames on the buffer
fixed LCD screen BUT touchscreen
joystick levers like on 7D2
3-10x zoom during video (like on rebels?.. forget which ones had it)
all the 7D2 new menu features like auto iso based on 1/focal length adjustments
keep it 18MP but offer dual digic 7 processors
new sensor with 15stops of DR
+1 stop better higher ISO
4K video at 60fps (5D4 should have 4k at 30k)
Improved AF system... maybe have all 61 points cross type instead of the only 41. I think that would be improvement enough to be OK
GPS built in
smaller WIFI module to attach to side like a small mouse dongle
ADD another custom button somewhere
Fully adjustable AA filter so you can dial in strong affect to no affect.

maybe a few more but if they added this then it'd be a worthy upgrade.

 

[tpatana]

How about expanding the AF-points further away from center?

 

[expatinasia]

A quick question: Are CFast slots backward compatible with tradition CF Cards? I mean will I still be able to use my old CF Cards or not at all? I understand that even if they are backwards compatible I would be losing many of the advantages of the new camera but thought I would ask anyway.

I think it is great they will have dual CFast slots (regardless of the answer to the above question) as I think two different slots would be a step backwards, rather than forwards. And it would give me a headache I do not want.

A Lexar Professional 64GB 3400x CFast 2.0 Memory Card is currently US$ 179 at B&H, and by the time this camera comes out will be a fair bit cheaper. Same card at 128GB is US$ 330.

Getting quite excited about the 1DX Mark II.

 

[PureClassA]

How about expanding the AF-points further away from center?

That's a given. I offer the 7D Mk II as exhibit A.

 

[DudeInTheSky]

Before anybody speculates any more about how fast a CFast card really is, here's a Blackmagic speedtest of my Sandisk 128GB Cfast 2.0 in a Lexar CR2 reader connected with Thunderbolt. Unfortunately it's only Thunderbolt 1 on the computer. I've also attached a screengrab of Sandisk's USB 3 reader, which is a tad slower.

 

[ahsanford]

How about expanding the AF-points further away from center?

Am I a scoundrel for saying this is a lot easier to pull off on mirrorless?

(Or am I just uninformed -- please correct me if so. I'm not well read on AF other than the basics.)

- A

 

[privatebydesign]

A quick question: Are CFast slots backward compatible with tradition CF Cards? I mean will I still be able to use my old CF Cards or not at all? I understand that even if they are backwards compatible I would be losing many of the advantages of the new camera but thought I would ask anyway.

I think it is great they will have dual CFast slots (regardless of the answer to the above question) as I think two different slots would be a step backwards, rather than forwards. And it would give me a headache I do not want.

A Lexar Professional 64GB 3400x CFast 2.0 Memory Card is currently US$ 179 at B&H, and by the time this camera comes out will be a fair bit cheaper. Same card at 128GB is US$ 330.

Getting quite excited about the 1DX Mark II.

No. Zero backwards or forwards compatibility.

 

[Peer]

I doubt the 1D X mkII would have 4K

If this camera doesn't have >10bit 4K video, it's definitely a no-go for me.

-- peer

 

[ukmdb]

I doubt the 1D X mkII would have 4K

If this has CFast Cards then you can pretty much guarantee it will have 4K, This would be the only real reason for such a shift in media. Upset everyone with a change of cards, but then make them happy cause they have 4K regardless if you want it or not.

 

[sublime LightWorks]

...Canon will not use two different card types on the 1DX mk2. It would defeat the purpose and ability of dual write of images (RAW) to both cards to produce a backup copy during shooting and maintain full shooting speed.

Dual CFast is what we will get.

While I agree with you concerning the 1D X II, the prior 1-series bodies had a mix of two different card types.

damn, beat me to it

Both the MK III and MK IV had mixture, with the good old SD slot being nicely slower. The 1DX fixed that and it is unlikely they will regress..

Plus of course the C300 MK II has CFast, so it is tested Tech for Canon.

Yep, I am aware of that....and Canon fixed that mistake in the 1Dx. I think we all agree we don't see them taking a step back, not when you get the reliability of a backup and full fps shooting with an identical card setup.