More Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[K]

There are numerous things that can fail - camera, lens, battery etc so is having an extra card slot really gonna guarantee 100% reliability? No. Probably not.

Certainly anything can fail. But a card failure can and does lose photos, many times of which cannot be replaced at all, or at least, not replaced without a lot of time and expense.

A lens failing doesn't cause the photos I've taken to be gone forever. Bad shutter doesn't cause the photos I've taken to be gone forever.

Camera failures, assuming one body, causes you to lose what you might of had. Card failures causes you to lose what you did have.

Don't you think, in a way (feel free to disagree) that by creating two card slots the manufacturer is saying that they have less faith in their hardware. I know they can't control memory card quality control but they can make solid card slots and good firmware that reduces the chance of failure.

No.

Canon uses dual card slots in the 5DS, 5D3, 7D2 and their flagships. Does this mean they have no faith in the quality of their top of the line camera hardware?

Because no matter how incredibly good they make the card slot, firmware and whatnot - nothing Canon ever does can stop a memory card from going bad. The best Canon can do is, create a card slot that is of high quality to reduce or eliminate the chance that the camera itself induces card failure. This is basic function of creating a memory card interface, and something they've already done.

Canon admits the fact that they can't control the quality of memory cards by putting two slots in their higher end cameras, but they omit them from many other medium level cameras whose price, in my opinion, should justify 2 slots. Nikon D610 - two slots.

At Full Frame prices, dual card slots ought to be a mandatory feature.

Now, who do you trust more, honestly, with quality control? Don't you think Nikon NEED that extra slot now? <totally joking there!>

Nikon quality control is nothing to admire.

 

[nightscape123]

These specs would make a worthy upgrade over the 6D. I'd buy this camera. Though I expect at least 19 AF points. If Canon's $500 entry level crop camera can get 19 then so can it's $2100 FF. A second memory card slot would also be nice, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

 

[Intel478]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

Exactly. Dunno what all this hoo ha is about dual slots on the 6D. It's a low end FF for hobbyists and enthusiasts. If you're a pro who relies on paid work then you really ought to have a 5D MkIII. Otherwise you're clearly just being a cheap-o and then complaining about lack of features. Buy the right gear for the job.

Agree.

Disagree.

Dual card slots are also useful for storing more pictures on less expensive cards that you perhaps already own.
And to store raw and jpeg on different cards. Or video and stills on separate cards. Etc.

Now the right tool for the job for me as an event and wedding photographer is having to carry as little weight as possible generating the best results.
Since this is not sports I do not need the advanced autofocus system of the 5D3 and also not the weight.
I do need the low light center point of the 6D and for parties a WiFi uplink to the venue's screens for live pictures.

Therefore you cannot call me a cheap-o and to me 6D with dual cards slots is in fact what I want for my job.

 

[Crosswind]

Not buying without 4k!!!

Not buying without tilt-able display!

 

[Adelino]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

I agree. There is a difference between crippling a product by disabling features that already exist and trying to save money, space, weight by not adding a feature. Physical features drive up cost. For an enthusiast camera it should be kept simple and inexpensive. Software, on the other hand, should always be available at the highest levels otherwise that is intentionally downgrading the product to drive sales to a more expensive product which leaves a bad taste in consumers camera bag. If it costs next to nothing add it if it can save money on a price point item delete it. Happy customers and big profits.

But I also agree that dual card slots are always better than one.

 

[Zv]

Salesman: Can I help you with anything?

Consumer: Yeah, I'm looking to buy my first DSLR but can't decide which one to get. They all seem similar.

Salesman: I recommend this one as it has more features such a dual card slots.

Consumer: Why would I need two card slots?

Salesman: Just as a back up in case one fails.

Consumer: Faill? Why would it fail??! Is there something wrong with the camera?

But seriously how did we survive without this feature before? What with all the card failures and what not.

Yes the 5D3/7DII/1DX have two but that isn't only for redundancy but for extra capacity and for writing different types of files to the cards. As someone mentioned. That is a a pro feature. Average joe doesn't need two slots. I am fairly certain he can get another picture of his cat if he just times it right!

 

[Loswr]

anyone ever remember the good old days of shooting dual-roll 35mm? neither do I.

Yeah, but the roll in back always seemed underexposed. If only we'd had the technology for a 5-stop push back then, I'd have had two copies of every frame.

 

[MiamiC70]

I work in technology field better part of 25 years and I have to say in the last 10 years I don't think I have seen a "legitimate" good quality tier one vendor SD card fail. I have seen that have been washed and dried inadvertently and worked just fine. So, dual slot is just not a big deal given the capacity of cards and reliability. That said if you buy the cheapest no name crap then you may have issues as you get what you pay for. Me I use Sandisk or Transcend higher end cards and buy 2.

 

[preppyak]

Not buying without tilt-able display!

Man I wish Canon would get on board with this. I really cant see a reason not to include one...the 6D body isnt even well weather-sealed, so, its not like it would cause issues like it might on the shell of the 5Dx and 1Dx cameras.

I dont want to have to kill my phone and camera battery to get an easily viewable display from tough angles. Or buy a separate viewfinder I have to lug around. And it cant be an expensive item, as even the cheap entry cameras have them

 

[KiagiJ]

K, why is "single slot" such a big issue? As far as I'm concerned, dual card slots are a throwback to the days of unreliable, low capacity memory cards. Some professionals might want dual slots when covering "no reshoot" events, but I'm OK with skipping that feature on Canon's low-cost full frame camera.

Exactly. Dunno what all this hoo ha is about dual slots on the 6D. It's a low end FF for hobbyists and enthusiasts. If you're a pro who relies on paid work then you really ought to have a 5D MkIII. Otherwise you're clearly just being a cheap-o and then complaining about lack of features. Buy the right gear for the job.

Agree.

I'm a paid pro and the 6D is the right gear for the job! If the job is low light ambient work that is, my night party photography is cleaner in noise quality than the 5D3 and focuses in darker light with the middle focus point over the 5D3. Combined with the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art lens it's an amazing low light combo I love it no need for flash most of the time

It's a shame the 6D2 may be 24-28mp as this may result in the same noise performance as the 6D's 20mp sensor (improved sensor and processor technology in the 6D2 but less light reaching each pixel than before so they probably cancel eachother out). I hope they keep it at 20mp to continue the 6D line having great low light capability as obviously fewer megapixels produce cleaner high ISO images

 

[Lee Jay]

I work in technology field better part of 25 years and I have to say in the last 10 years I don't think I have seen a "legitimate" good quality tier one vendor SD card fail. I have seen that have been washed and dried inadvertently and worked just fine. So, dual slot is just not a big deal given the capacity of cards and reliability. That said if you buy the cheapest no name crap then you may have issues as you get what you pay for. Me I use Sandisk or Transcend higher end cards and buy 2.

In the last 10 years I've has one CF card and one SD card fail, both Sandisk. Sandisk was solid in its support in both instances.

Neither card was mishandled.

 

[JohnBran]

Yes the 5D3/7DII/1DX have two but that isn't only for redundancy but for extra capacity and for writing different types of files to the cards. As someone mentioned. That is a a pro feature. Average joe doesn't need two slots. I am fairly certain he can get another picture of his cat if he just times it right!

Hehehe, i don't know about your village but on my end "average joe" does not spend 2K+ euro on camera. And when i'm spending that amount of hard earned cash i want value.
Just like Richard Gere in Pretty Woman: We are going to be spending an obscene amount of money in here. So we're going to need a lot more help sucking up to us!!!

 

[applecider]

If the refresh is indeed a 28 MP camera with at least the same and maybe slightly better high iso performance then Id be very happy. This also speaks to the possibility that the 5d4 and dxii could have somewhere around 28 MP and still maintain the high iso performance. Now getting processors and cards that can write fast enough to get frame rates and buffers up to 10-14 fps and deeper than 10 (5d4) or 30(1Dxii) is another story.

Why doesn't someone use the two card slots to support a raided volume that could get write speeds on cards to 300MB/sec? Now that would be a good use of dual slots.... Granted with a more complicated and thus like to fail easier structure, but the camera could write the raided images to a single card during idle time so that card reads would not require a raided read capability.

Otherwise I think a single slot is Ok in this entry level full frame. K if you think otherwise please name what feature dual slots support that single slots don't. (OK maybe magic lantern firmware on one slot but your feature that needs dual slots is......

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

6fps smh yess thats an insult your barely be able too shoot spots with that lol
28mp is good if they do 19-30 AF points spread out the right way that would be good
if they add DPAF too finally be able too use the 24-105 stm lens tech and other STM lenses more power too them
4k is not a must good 720-1080p 24-30fps video is needed
even better build quality also anti flicker
hope its a decent winner

 

[Proscribo]

Or persist with Canon's current lacking designs?

It can't be current lacking design if it's 28MP (as there is currently no canon FF 28MP sensors). ;D

 

[Mdshirajum]

With all these defending, I'm pretty sure Canon is paying employees to post here. That's just sad. I'm on the fence about switching from Canon. And this is just making the decision easier, unfortunately.

I do not understand when a consumer wants a feature, why another 'consumer' will oppose that! Pity a company like Canon has to adopt such practise.

 

[Random Orbits]

With all these defending, I'm pretty sure Canon is paying employees to post here. That's just sad. I'm on the fence about switching from Canon. And this is just making the decision easier, unfortunately.

I do not understand when a consumer wants a feature, why another 'consumer' will oppose that! Pity a company like Canon has to adopt such practise.

So you're going to switch before anything gets released and based on a rumor? More features equals more cost. Few will get the total set of features they want at this price point. Wait for what is released and then make your decision... or switch on rumor. The decision is yours.

 

[Loswr]

With all these defending, I'm pretty sure Canon is paying employees to post here. That's just sad. I'm on the fence about switching from Canon. And this is just making the decision easier, unfortunately.

I do not understand when a consumer wants a feature, why another 'consumer' will oppose that! Pity a company like Canon has to adopt such practise.

And you registered just to tell us that? Are you perhaps a Nikon troll-for-hire?

 

[Mdshirajum]

So you're going to switch before anything gets released and based on a rumor? More features equals more cost. Few will get the total set of features they want at this price point. Wait for what is released and then make your decision... or switch on rumor. The decision is yours.

I'm a long time Canon user, wedding photographer and a tech enthusiast. I was happy with my extensive Canon gears before I tried some other brands few weeks back. Not naming any particular brand here. I found some other bodies have way better DR at low ISO. I was very surprised to see that!

And no, if I switch, that won't be because of this no 2nd card slot rumour lol. I'm just very disappointed with the way Canon playing this. I have my own principle and it's disheartening to see canons ploy.

 

[Mdshirajum]

And you registered just to tell us that? Are you perhaps a Nikon troll-for-hire?

I own an extensive array of Canon gears. More than 10 L glasses and 4 professional bodies I'm a LONG time reader of this forum. And yes, I never posted before. But couldn't resist to express my view about this, so just registered the account.

Once I switch, I'll surely miss my glasses but not my bodies for sure.