More Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[Eldar]

A good reason for dual memory card slots ... (even though this guy screwed up later)

http://petapixel.com/2015/04/28/wedding-photographer-ordered-to-pay-couple-8800-after-losing-photos/

 

[Bernard]

A good reason for dual memory card slots ... (even though this guy screwed up later)

I don't think that twice the complexity would have helped. The photographer broke the basic rule of memory card management. The monetary penalty seems fair, maybe a little on the low side.

As I've mentioned before, there are some very simple rules that will keep you out of trouble:

Never delete or format a card in the field
Never buy suspect memory cards (ebay, etc)
Never keep a card more than two years
Never format until you've made a copy and a backup

The other obvious rule is "never remove a card that's being written-to," but that's not an issue now that cards are so fast. Back in the day, the "write" led would keep flashing for 5-10 seconds after you took a few pictures.

 

[kphoto99]

There are actual standards for water profness (yes I made up that word), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
Please tell me what IP level Canon professional cameras meet and what level does 6D meet.
In the absence of an answer, the best solution would be to have a rain hood over the camera, any camera. What do they cost, about $30? Best tool for the job, problem solved.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

A good reason for dual memory card slots ... (even though this guy screwed up later)

http://petapixel.com/2015/04/28/wedding-photographer-ordered-to-pay-couple-8800-after-losing-photos/

I am trying to figure out how he could have deleted the images in such a way as to make them non-recoverable. If you accidently format a card, unless you use it, you can usually get most of the images back.

The cynic in me wonders if this guy just took lousy pictures and hoped that he could con the couple.

 

[candyman]

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As I've mentioned before, there are some very simple rules that will keep you out of trouble:

Never delete or format a card in the field
Never buy suspect memory cards (ebay, etc)
Never keep a card more than two years
Never format until you've made a copy and a backup

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I read your simple rules. From the point of riskmanagement, I understand.
I use CF-cards of Lexar - bought in 2010 to use with my 7D. Done a lot of soccer photos in AI servo. Since 2012 I use them with my 5D MK III. I never take them out to transfer files - I use the USB cable. I only take the card out to replace a full card and insert an empty one. I always format the card in camera.
Never had any problem. Still using those cards. That's about 5 years. I do believe companies like Sandisk, Lexar and Transcend developed well designed, well built and reliable cards. You treat those cards as they recommend, then you can use them a looong time.

 

[bdunbar79]

There's some remarkable drivel being turned out in this thread regarding the 6D. How many brides do you see soaked ? Apart from ones which fall into pools. Which is more unprofessional, turning up to shoot a wedding on your own with one 5DIII or turning up with two 6D s, an assistant and an umbrella ?

It's not about the bride getting soaked (although that happens), it's about where you need to be in order to get the shot. If it's raining hard when the bride's car pulls-up to the church, you still need to get that shot. You can try picking it off with a long lens from inside the church, but the angle is wrong, and the bride will wonder why you aren't there (she is, after all). You can have an assistant follow you around with an umbrella, but that's awkward, and your assistant should really be covering the groom and attendees inside.

What do you do? Miss the shot and hope nobody will notice, or get the shot and risk having to tell the wedding party to hold-off for an hour because your camera needs to dry-out?
You can go to your spare camera, but it's going to rain all day, and you need to get the shot when the bride and groom come out of the church. You don't want to have two inoperative cameras before you even get to formals and the reception.

The answer, of course, is that you use the proper tools, because you are a professional.
The real difference between professionals and amateurs is that professionals get the shot, no matter what. That's why you pay them money, even though uncle Larry will be there with the latest "hot" camera. There's always an uncle Larry, and he always has the latest gear, and he always interrupts you to ask incredibly basic questions, and he always tries to hijack the shots you've set-up (usually by standing between you and the bride).
Uncle Larry doesn't deliver the goods, but he spends more on equipment than you do. He read somewhere that he needs two card slots, so he sold all his Canon gear for pennies and moved to Nikon, but he's thinking of dumping Nikon for the new Sony, even though he had Sony before Canon. He's a good guy to know if you want to pick-up lightly used gear.

I guess I'm not getting your argument. You continue to preach that the 6D isn't professional. After reading several of your "gospels" I guess I'm like, ok, so the 6D isn't pro. And so what? Why are you arguing that? Who cares? This thread is about features people want to see in a 6D Mark II and really, who gives a crap whether it's pro or not?

 

[AcutancePhotography]

Never keep a card more than two years

Well yeah, I guess the best solution is to only use a card once, save it, and never delete the data, but that is impractical and rather expensive.

No form of electronic data storage is 100% reliable. The key is how close can we get? I think that with good quality brand name cards and reasonable care in operations, we are in the 99*% reliability zone.

How much is getting to 99.5% worth and how much will a customer be willing to pay for it?

*With the understanding that 37.438% of all statistics posted on the Internets Tubes have false precision. ;D

 

[Sporgon]

There's some remarkable drivel being turned out in this thread regarding the 6D. How many brides do you see soaked ? Apart from ones which fall into pools. Which is more unprofessional, turning up to shoot a wedding on your own with one 5DIII or turning up with two 6D s, an assistant and an umbrella ?

It's not about the bride getting soaked (although that happens), it's about where you need to be in order to get the shot. If it's raining hard when the bride's car pulls-up to the church, you still need to get that shot. You can try picking it off with a long lens from inside the church, but the angle is wrong, and the bride will wonder why you aren't there (she is, after all). You can have an assistant follow you around with an umbrella, but that's awkward, and your assistant should really be covering the groom and attendees inside.

What do you do? Miss the shot and hope nobody will notice, or get the shot and risk having to tell the wedding party to hold-off for an hour because your camera needs to dry-out?
You can go to your spare camera, but it's going to rain all day, and you need to get the shot when the bride and groom come out of the church. You don't want to have two inoperative cameras before you even get to formals and the reception.

The answer, of course, is that you use the proper tools, because you are a professional.
The real difference between professionals and amateurs is that professionals get the shot, no matter what. That's why you pay them money, even though uncle Larry will be there with the latest "hot" camera. There's always an uncle Larry, and he always has the latest gear, and he always interrupts you to ask incredibly basic questions, and he always tries to hijack the shots you've set-up (usually by standing between you and the bride).
Uncle Larry doesn't deliver the goods, but he spends more on equipment than you do. He read somewhere that he needs two card slots, so he sold all his Canon gear for pennies and moved to Nikon, but he's thinking of dumping Nikon for the new Sony, even though he had Sony before Canon. He's a good guy to know if you want to pick-up lightly used gear.

The 6D survived.

Alas, the bride's veil did not.

Bernard, perhaps you could give me some tips on how to keep driving rain off the front element ?

 

[bdunbar79]

Just for the record, it took Nikon 4 cameras to compete with the 5D Mark III: D800, D800E, D810, D750. Off topic.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

Just for the record, it took Nikon 4 cameras to compete with the 5D Mark III: D800, D800E, D810, D750. Off topic.

So if you knew it was off topic, why post it here? (scratching head)

 

[bdunbar79]

Just for the record, it took Nikon 4 cameras to compete with the 5D Mark III: D800, D800E, D810, D750. Off topic.

So if you knew it was off topic, why post it here? (scratching head)

Obviously you didn't read the whole thread. You could keep scratching your head or find the conversation where Nikon cameras were mentioned, over and over again. At least I had the balls to finally point out that it was probably off topic.

 

[Loswr]

Bernard, perhaps you could give me some tips on how to keep driving rain off the front element ?

A truly professional pro uses the right professional tool to professionally complete the job. For getting water off the front element, apparently this is the professional's best pro tool for the job, professionally speaking.

I think the handlebar mustache is optional.

 

[Bernard]

Bernard, perhaps you could give me some tips on how to keep driving rain off the front element ?

Lens hood.

You're welcome.

Seriously, I keep lens tissues in a sealed plastic bag, plus some pre-moistened lens cloths. I'm sure almost everybody else does that. A few drops of rain don't detract from the ambience if your subject is also in the rain, just wipe your lens when you get in.

 

[Loswr]

Lens hood.

You're welcome.

Hmmm, yeah - that'll work. : : :

 

[Sporgon]

Lens hood.

You're welcome.

Hmmm, yeah - that'll work. : : :

How did you know I used that exact lens hood !? Damn, I'm so predictable. Or maybe the shot was quite obviously around 24 mil

I imagine those moustaches would make a right mess of your rear screen if you'd had soup for lunch.

 

[jeffa4444]

Im less interested in the MP increase and more interested in DR and color space. The 6D weaknesses are banding in large areas of one plain color (like fog), although not excessive. AF points which should have been at least 19 like the 7D and all cross type, and correcting the GPS battery drain issue if its still enabled when the camera is turned-off. I would also like to see in-camera the peripheral illumination correction updated to cover lenses like the EF 16-35mm f4L IS USM (why is this not in a firmware update Canon?)(Yes correction is available in Lightroom CC etc).

The 6D is a very capable camera already small tweaks would make it more of an all-round camera without stepping on the toes of the 5D MKIII / IV.

 

[Loswr]

Maybe we should launch a Kickstarter campaign for a front element equivalent of the 'tear-offs' used by race car drivers. We could team up with the guys who did the Dust Donut and boom – every Rebel with kit lens becomes a pro camera.

 

[privatebydesign]

Im less interested in the MP increase and more interested in DR and color space. The 6D weaknesses are banding in large areas of one plain color (like fog), although not excessive. AF points which should have been at least 19 like the 7D and all cross type, and correcting the GPS battery drain issue if its still enabled when the camera is turned-off. I would also like to see in-camera the peripheral illumination correction updated to cover lenses like the EF 16-35mm f4L IS USM (why is this not in a firmware update Canon?)(Yes correction is available in Lightroom CC etc).

The 6D is a very capable camera already small tweaks would make it more of an all-round camera without stepping on the toes of the 5D MKIII / IV.

That sounds like a workflow or viewing error. Is there any evidence to suggest 6D RAW files are not true 14bit? Certainly I haven't seen anything like that with the 6D files I have worked with. Could you post an example?

 

[Matthew Saville]

Just for the record, it took Nikon 4 cameras to compete with the 5D Mark III: D800, D800E, D810, D750. Off topic.

Considering that I'd rather have my 1-card slot, 12 megapixel D700 than a 5D mk3, I dunno about that. Also, since high FPS aren't very critical to weddings, I'd say the D800 fairly competed with the 5D3.

In fact shooting white gowns in dark churches, I wouldn't in a million years trade 2-3 stops of DR for an extra couple FPS.

Let's get back on topic, lol...

 

[wsmith96]

Maybe we should launch a Kickstarter campaign for a front element equivalent of the 'tear-offs' used by race car drivers. We could team up with the guys who did the Dust Donut and boom – every Rebel with kit lens becomes a pro camera.

I'm betting 3M already makes this somewhere in their catalog.