New DSLR at the End of March [CR2]
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preppyak said:
It will no doubt have a new sensor. The question is will the sensor be from a new technology cycle i.e. 180nm or will it be some incremental improvement on the old. For example 6d like improvements over 5d3. Sadly I expect the latter but if the former it may give
some clues into the 7d. However since all indications are that 7d2 will be a bug splash, this really increases the interest in what exactly canon will show in the 70d without stealing too much thunder from the 7d2
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TeenTog
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One of the major complaints about the 60D is the high ISO performance, so im guesing that Canon will probably have to develop a new sensor to deal withthat. No, because it's not full-frame, It wont be close to the %D3 or 1DX, but it should at least be better (acceptable images att 6400?). Anyway, Since its a big step up from the 60D, it'll be interesting to see whether they include one or two Dig!c V processors, and what the frame rate will look like.
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Mhhh... What about it being the entry level 1100D/T3 replacement instead? That would be a cold shower for all of us that can't wait putting our hands on a (hopefully amazing) 7D2 or 70D. I'm afraid we'll see the 7D2 in 2014, maybe announced end 2013. I think the 2013 dSLRs are going to be the 1100D/T3, 60D and 650D/T4i replacements, in this order. I hope I'm wrong.dlleno said:
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Since I just got a 5D MK III with 24-105, I won't be able to buy any camera stuff until I graduate. But I am still interested in what goes on.
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I could see the 70D being what an incremental update to what the 7D might have been.
If Canon is about to introduce a new sensor technology in the 7D Mk II, there's no reason not to throw the best of the outgoing generation's tech at the 70D. I have no idea how much improvement's possible, but Canon managed to milk sensor-level improvements moving between the 1Ds Mk III/ 5D Mk II sensors to the 5D Mk III/ 1D X sensors. Since all of those models were derived from the same process, I think it's reasonable to assume Canon can produce an improved ASP-C sensor without dipping into 7D Mk II tech. And that's just hardware-level tech. If they decide to throw a 5+ chip in, it might be a decent performer, even by modern standards. It won't be able to reach Nikon's dynamic range but if it competes on resolution and offers superior or equal low light, it will be the best APS-C sensor Canon has produced to date, and a legitimate reason for many Rebel, XXD and 7D shooters to upgrade.
The 70D could also have: the 7D's AF, All-I and IPB video codecs at the typical frame rates, tele/wide AFMA, WiFi, GPS, 7 fps, build quality similar to the 50D, various perks like built-in HDR, etc.
At $1200 or so, that doesn't beat the D7100 on paper, per se, but given recent history, it would be competitive enough. If Canon goes nuts and releases it at $1000 or something, it sounds like a great deal.
The 7D Mark II, meanwhile, could debut the allegedly awesome new sensor tech. It could also have robust build and sealing, 1D X/ 5D Mark III-style AF, 10 fps, and maybe even the 1D X metering. Several rumors have mentioned video, which makes one imagine Canon's going beyond the status quo here. This could be anything from 1080p at 60fps to better resolution (e.g. the 1D C Super 35 crop mode). This theoretical 7D Mk II would be an obvious upgrade for holdout 7D owners. It would also compel attention from the video crowd, even if they already have 5D Mark IIIs. More importantly, it would do so without stepping on the C line's toes. It would also be a nice jump for advanced Rebel users, as well as 60D holdouts. And I could see lots of full frame owners picking up one of these as a second body.
I don't have a speck of evidence for any of this. But it seems reasonable enough to me, and if my intuition is correct, I'd consider the 70D a respectable camera. Not cutting edge but a solid step up for a lot of current users.
If Canon is about to introduce a new sensor technology in the 7D Mk II, there's no reason not to throw the best of the outgoing generation's tech at the 70D. I have no idea how much improvement's possible, but Canon managed to milk sensor-level improvements moving between the 1Ds Mk III/ 5D Mk II sensors to the 5D Mk III/ 1D X sensors. Since all of those models were derived from the same process, I think it's reasonable to assume Canon can produce an improved ASP-C sensor without dipping into 7D Mk II tech. And that's just hardware-level tech. If they decide to throw a 5+ chip in, it might be a decent performer, even by modern standards. It won't be able to reach Nikon's dynamic range but if it competes on resolution and offers superior or equal low light, it will be the best APS-C sensor Canon has produced to date, and a legitimate reason for many Rebel, XXD and 7D shooters to upgrade.
The 70D could also have: the 7D's AF, All-I and IPB video codecs at the typical frame rates, tele/wide AFMA, WiFi, GPS, 7 fps, build quality similar to the 50D, various perks like built-in HDR, etc.
At $1200 or so, that doesn't beat the D7100 on paper, per se, but given recent history, it would be competitive enough. If Canon goes nuts and releases it at $1000 or something, it sounds like a great deal.
The 7D Mark II, meanwhile, could debut the allegedly awesome new sensor tech. It could also have robust build and sealing, 1D X/ 5D Mark III-style AF, 10 fps, and maybe even the 1D X metering. Several rumors have mentioned video, which makes one imagine Canon's going beyond the status quo here. This could be anything from 1080p at 60fps to better resolution (e.g. the 1D C Super 35 crop mode). This theoretical 7D Mk II would be an obvious upgrade for holdout 7D owners. It would also compel attention from the video crowd, even if they already have 5D Mark IIIs. More importantly, it would do so without stepping on the C line's toes. It would also be a nice jump for advanced Rebel users, as well as 60D holdouts. And I could see lots of full frame owners picking up one of these as a second body.
I don't have a speck of evidence for any of this. But it seems reasonable enough to me, and if my intuition is correct, I'd consider the 70D a respectable camera. Not cutting edge but a solid step up for a lot of current users.
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ITshooter said:
I agree, makes perfect sense to me. Except that I think Canon will try to match Nikon's 24 MP at least with one of the APS-C cameras, likely the 70D, and it seems rather unlikely they can milk IQ improvements from a denser sensor with the current tech. They did it with the current FF cameras, but without shrinking pixels. I would be very pleased to finally see differentiation in Canon's crop dSLRs sensors, as it is now for FF. Should the rumored high MP FF come out, there'll be 4 different FF sensors, why not the same for APS-C?
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ITshooter said:
Excellent analysis. Agree on all accounts.
Canon will likely put a new 20mp sensor in the 70D, based on their old tech.
Later, they will put this sensor in the new Rebel, the GX2, and the EOS-M.
The new sensor tech will likely be introduced in 7DII.
That's what makes the most sense, at least.
Canon might surely have other plans.
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Prolly 70 D, maybe some jockeying iterations, likely nothing earthshattering...
The Earth SHattering mess will come when the 7D MK II is announced!
The Earth SHattering mess will come when the 7D MK II is announced!
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To those who complain about "boring" or "incremental" upgrades, not just on this thread but on many CR threads, I would ask how much better can cameras really get? Just about any model SLR made today by any manufacturer gives astounding results. Camera improvements in the last four years or so are so amazing that it is almost inconceivable to me they can really get much better. "Usable" high ISO of "only" 1600 or 3200 is not good enough? There was a time not too long ago that most of us would never use film above 400 ISO. I used 100 ISO slide film almost exclusively (often pushed to 200 for animal photography) and was ecstatic when Provia 400X came out with an acceptable level of grain. The fact that I can use my 5D2 (the only DSLR I have ever owned) at 800 with essentially the same quality as 100, and even 1600 to make fine poster prints, still boggles my mind.
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I don't care for metal bodies. I care more for metal lenses. For bodies - I don't plan to own them for more than 5 years. Even the cheapest of plastic will hold up under those conditions.
I do care for an improved sensor. I hate the 18MP cropped sensor of the current Canon crop. It has to go. I preferred the 450Ds sensor to the current ones. Less crappy noise. Sure there's not as many MPs so not as sharp, but I'll take per-pixel goodness over noisy sharpness.
Also much needed is wifi, gps and touchscreen, in all but the entry level model. Looking forward to 5DIV having this, and an improved sensor. Then I'll keep using that body till it breaks, or 5 years (whatever comes first).
I do care for an improved sensor. I hate the 18MP cropped sensor of the current Canon crop. It has to go. I preferred the 450Ds sensor to the current ones. Less crappy noise. Sure there's not as many MPs so not as sharp, but I'll take per-pixel goodness over noisy sharpness.
Also much needed is wifi, gps and touchscreen, in all but the entry level model. Looking forward to 5DIV having this, and an improved sensor. Then I'll keep using that body till it breaks, or 5 years (whatever comes first).
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Don Haines said:
One of the biggest reasons I bought the 60D was the size which is a big difference from the rebels. I had a 350D before and without a vertical grip it is very unstable and uncomfortable. The plastic body which makes the 60D lighter is not really a bad thing on my list either.
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It wouldn't make sense to give the 70D the old sensor. That would mean the 70D would be stuck with obsolete technology until 2015. That's just ridiculous and I hope Canon is smart enough to know that.
the XXD line is for enthusiasts and semi-pros and those buyers are savvy enough to know when they're getting garbage. I think to compete with the D7100 Canon has to bring its new sensor with improved dynamic range and noise performance in the 70D, have AFMA, 100% viewfinder, at least 6fps, and built in wi-fi.
I can also hope for 1080p 60p video, built in timelapse and hdr modes, better weather sealing, and a 2x crop mode like the D7100.
the XXD line is for enthusiasts and semi-pros and those buyers are savvy enough to know when they're getting garbage. I think to compete with the D7100 Canon has to bring its new sensor with improved dynamic range and noise performance in the 70D, have AFMA, 100% viewfinder, at least 6fps, and built in wi-fi.
I can also hope for 1080p 60p video, built in timelapse and hdr modes, better weather sealing, and a 2x crop mode like the D7100.
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that1guyy said:
so hoping you are right. if it's just a souped up t4i it's a definite pass.
but there's no way canon puts in 1080p60 video. that would make it too good, and canon's number one fear is making something that's too good
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that1guyy said:
I would say so. New sensor tech in the 70D can be taken as a sign for Canon's general improvement in sensor tech. And it gives us a faint idea about how FF sensors might improve. My 5D3 is a great cam. Looking at its output sometimes even above ISO 25k (getting great pics even at 51k) I guess that there's some space for IQ improvement. So whatever further improvement we'll see within the next 3 to 4 years starts now. With new sensortech in the 70D.
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If the 70D will be build like 7D or my old 40D and have much improved IQ, I will even consider downgrading my 7D 
. Although I will miss the FPS probably.
. Although I will miss the FPS probably.
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This is more of general topic question, but if you the 70D does get wifi/gps, what does that actually mean? What are the features of wifi on a dslr? Can you post right to facebook/instagram? Do your photo's auto import/sync to your computer? Is it really anything that great outside the social media benefits?
I'm trying to think of the advantages of having wifi and I can't think of anything more that what i mentioned above. It doesn't seem like a necessary feature on a DSLR, at least for people who take photography to a step above "point and shoot." I would imagine for a point and shoot camera WIFI is probably mandatory these days because rarely are people doing post production. I'm sure these points have been beaten to death but just looking for some advantages of wifi on my dslr...
I'm trying to think of the advantages of having wifi and I can't think of anything more that what i mentioned above. It doesn't seem like a necessary feature on a DSLR, at least for people who take photography to a step above "point and shoot." I would imagine for a point and shoot camera WIFI is probably mandatory these days because rarely are people doing post production. I'm sure these points have been beaten to death but just looking for some advantages of wifi on my dslr...
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