New EF-S Lenses on the Horizon? [CR2]

[9VIII]

I'd love to see another pancake in the 24-28mm equivalent range. The 24mm f/2.8 STM pancake is great, but I like to shoot wider.

+1

I wouldn't get my hopes up that a wide angle pancake is possible on an SLR, but if it is I would love to see a 15mm Pancake.

Even if it's f4 or f5.6, if they can fit a wide angle prime into that form factor (with good IQ, specifically low distortion), I would have to buy it.

 

[Bennymiata]

Whatever it is, I hope it has the BR filter in it as I think this is a big selling point for Canon, and I'm sure it doesn't cost much to add.

 

[pj1974]

Ok… about EF-S lenses… this has me somewhat excited, as I have 2 APS-C Canon DSLRs, the 7D and 350D.

I have the Canon 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 USM IS and really love tat lens. I have used the 17-55mm f/2.8 USM IS, and indeed it’s great – the f/2.8 an obvious advantage. Though when I want ‘fast glass’ – I typically want faster than f/2.8 (e.g. f/1.4 – f/2).

Realising the physical compromises (i.e ‘laws of physics’), I would prefer a 15-55mm to a 17-70mm in a f/2.8. I just find the focal length of 17-55mm limiting for a ‘walk around / travel zoom’. Hence I deliberately chose the 15-85mm over the 17-55mm. My 15-85mm gives good to great IQ at all mm / aperture settings.

The 15-85mm has 4 stop IS, and great USM focus, and is built well. The size is ‘just right’ on my 7D (a tad smaller or larger would still be ok). I have a number of 72mm filters, so staying with 72mm would be a bonus!

From the UW perspective, I have the Sigma 8-16mm.. previously I had the 10-20mm Sigma. The extra 2mm (down to 8mm) really is a huge bonus. I really love my Sigma 8-16mm, it’s sharp, contrasty and handles flare quite well. Also good size and built well. AF adequate for what it is. If Canon can pull of an amazing EF-S UWA, like a 8-15/20mm – something sharp, contrasty, great detail into the corners, that would be awesome.

But I would only likely swap if it also had IS. It seems Canon is getting more 'keen' to use IS on UWAs, which I'm very happy about... e.g. they have on their EF-S 10-18mm, or EF-M 11-20mm or their EF 16-35mm f/4. I don’t need a fast aperture in an UWA, f/4 would be awesome, but f/4-5.6 is adequate too.

Then I do want a new 50mm from Canon (doesn’t HAVE to be a EF-S…), I have the 50mm STM, and really like this lens, got a good copy for a very good price just when it became available. Wide open it’s reasonable (really quite good from f/2.2) – if Canon make any good sharp, contrasty USM 50mm (whether EF or EF-S) – I’m ‘in’, especially if it has IS.

Paul 8)

 

[Videoshooter]

I'd have to go against the grain here - I think a little more on the long end would be more valuable. a 17-70 f/2.8 would be great.

My reasoning is that:
a) It bridges the gap up to the 70-200
b) The long end goes into a useful range for portraits/CU shots, necessitating the need for event shooters to swap lenses as often
c) It will be a great lens for the C100/C300, which currently lacks an ideal-general purpose lens (55mm is just a bit to short for video work)
d) Even going out to 15mm wouldn't make a substantial difference for people who really need to use wide angles - which is why:

I'd also love to see a cheap, wide, prime - something akin to an APS-C version of the 20mm /2.8. Not necessarily a pancake like many people are wanting, just an option to go wider than the standard zooms without having to pay as much as you did for your camera body. An EF-S 12mm f/3.5 would be really handy for a lot of people who only need a UWA on the odd occasion.

 

[whothafunk]

If 17-55 f2.8 IS USM II comes out, I'll be the first to order it. Bump the IS from 3 to 4 stops, a bit sharper and fix the goddamn focusing on 7D2.. a dream come true. And to make it look a bit more smooth or modern.

 

[3xposure]

15-55mm f/2.8, 4 stops IS, improved optics and a full L treatment please, I am missing a red ring
That would definitely make me upgrade my old faithful...

 

[axtstern]

Using the chrystal ball to predict EF-S lenses is more cumbersome than anything else.

As the only people whose buying behaviour I predict to more than 50% are me, myself and I my guess is a little biased.

My GAS was running on full throttle already before this Forum made me abandon reason.
Currently i used a 5dIII and and MIII.
Somehow the 7 D never apeal to me and after selling my 60D I wait now for either a compelling SLII or a compelling 80D.

The EF-S or in any other way digitaly crippled lenses I own used to be

Sigma 50-150
Sigma 30
Sigma 17-50
Canon 17-55
Tokina 11-16
Sigma 18-200 OS
Tamron 18-270 VC...
Sigma 18-35

I got rid of the Sigma 18-200 because of the lousy IQ
I got rid of the Sigma 17-50 because of the lousy build
I got rid of the Tamron 18-200 because once I go for Crop again I want the 16-300
I got rid of the Sigma 50 150 with a bleeding heart because it is soft and has no OS
I got rid of the 30mm because it was a mistake to buy it. Should have taken the Canon 28mm not limiting myself to crop

So what is left in my crop bag is the Canon 17-55, The SIgma 18-35 and the Tokina 11-16

The Sigma 18-35 is one of my most sexy lenses. The Canon 17-55 would be in most of the situations the more versataile lense but it stayed in the bag since i have the Sigma. A better 17-55 would trigger my GAS only if it becomes solid as the Sigma or fast as the Sigma or both.

With Tamron now competing against the Tokina in the Ultra wide area and with my M covering the Ultrawide area from a different direction it is the TELE area which would lure me.

The old Sigma 50-150 (not the new one which they blundered into the 70-200 Chassis) was a beautyfull solid and very compact design. That size with Canon typical optical Quality and IS and 2.8 Speed would be a feast.
Make it STM to diferentiate it from the big sister and with the Adapter it would be serving me well on the M as well.

 

[aj1575]

I also think it will be a 17-55 f2.8 replacement. maybe something like a 15-55 or 16-60 f 2.8, I think 17-70 is a bit a long shot for a f2.8.
I do not think that the 10-22 will be replaced. The 10-18 has to do the job for a while.

What I like to see is a APS-C semipro telezoom, a better version of the 55-250. The zoom range of the 55-250 is actually quite nice. Making such a lens that is on L-Level in IQ and build quality would be great. The price point should be below 1000$, that is a bit less than the street price of a 70-200 f4 IS or a 70-300 f4-5.6 IS. I'm just not sure if this market is big enough, since many people with APS-C cameras are buying L-telezooms. So it will be difficult position such a lens.

 

[whothafunk]

15-55mm f/2.8, 4 stops IS, improved optics and a full L treatment please, I am missing a red ring
That would definitely make me upgrade my old faithful...

You must be delusional to think EF-S lenses get the red ring (L). L is reserved for "best" of EF.

 

[Proscribo]

You must be delusional to think EF-S lenses get the red ring (L). L is reserved for "best" of EF.

Well there's one powershot with L-lens so I don't think all hope is lost.

 

[Loswr]

You must be delusional to think EF-S lenses get the red ring (L). L is reserved for "best" of EF.

Well there's one powershot with L-lens so I don't think all hope is lost.

There are also L-series binoculars. But I don't believe we'll ever see an ILC L-series lens that doesn't work on FF bodies.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

15-55mm f/2.8, 4 stops IS, improved optics and a full L treatment please, I am missing a red ring

If someone wants a red ring on ALL your lenses, it is very simple. Just follow the tutorial video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLcbKBhQ-M0

 

[noncho]

17-55 2.8 should be replaced.
I would love to see some nice walkaround telephoto like 40-125 2.8 IS (should be smaller & lighter than 50-150).

 

[ahsanford]

17-55 2.8 should be replaced.
I would love to see some nice walkaround telephoto like 40-125 2.8 IS (should be smaller & lighter than 50-150).

The 17-55 f/2.8 Canon will begrudgingly update because a platform needs a standard zoom It just has to have it.

But a useful 50-150 or 40-125 f/2.8 lens is a major threat to folks moving to FF. Why go to FF if you just bought a $1,500 short tele that only works on EF-S? That's an easy lens for Canon to skate right by and let Sigma or Tamron make for us.

- A

 

[Haydn1971]

A nice new trinity zoom set is really needed.

- 10-22mm replacement with IS, f3.5-4.5 is fine by me if it's got IS
- 15-55mm definitely f2.8 and IS
- 45-135mm f2.8 IS in a compact package not dissimilar in size to the current 17-55/15-85 lenses

I'm also very sceptical of the rumour of the 7DII being the last "pro" crop camera.

 

[ahsanford]

I'm also very sceptical of the rumour of the 7DII being the last "pro" crop camera.

Agree 100%.

Were it true, such a comment would smack of desperation from Canon to either sell more of 'the last pro APS-C rig' or to tell us to avoid buying EF-S lenses altogether as your next 7D-like camera will be FF because high-end APS-C is going away.

Make fun of Canon's culture all you want, but they never panic and they never telegraph an exodus from a market segment. Not buying this.

- A

 

[Eclectik]

Why not a constant F2 aperture ? It should make sense for APS-C sensors: smaller image circle, worse behavior with high isos, equivalent bokeh?. I never understood why the pancake EF-S 24mm is only F2.8, when there is an EF-M F 2.0. I think Canon totally missed that. Not Fuji.

 

[ahsanford]

Why not a constant F2 aperture ? It should make sense for APS-C sensors: smaller image circle, worse behavior with high isos, equivalent bokeh?. I never understood why the pancake EF-S 24mm is only F2.8, when there is an EF-M F 2.0. I think Canon totally missed that. Not Fuji.

"Constant" f/2 seems out of context for pancake primes. You mean an f/2 zoom, right?

In that case, the short answer is "Because physics is a jerk." Ask Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 owners. Optically it's great, but that lens weighs nearly two pounds and it has a limited zoom range. It's a niche lens for enthusiast APS-C owners, likely 70D or 7D2 owners who do not want to migrate to FF. Canon will not make a dime with such a lens.

If you want small DOF / large aperture, that's kind of what FF shines at, right? Besides the FF sensor upsides over crop, there also are a boatload more native fast prime lenses for FF.

- A

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Why not a constant F2 aperture ? It should make sense for APS-C sensors: smaller image circle, worse behavior with high isos, equivalent bokeh?. I never understood why the pancake EF-S 24mm is only F2.8, when there is an EF-M F 2.0. I think Canon totally missed that. Not Fuji.

The short distance between the lens mount to the sensor on Fuji cameras (and other mirrorless) allows small wide-angle prime lenses such as EF-M 22mm F2. It would be perfectly possible to have done canon EF-S 24mm F2, but would not be as small as a pancake.

I would have preferred an EF-S 24mm F1.8 weighing 300 grams and costing $ 350.

 

[NancyP]

I might consider a weather-resistant standard zoom update to the 15-85 or 17-55 f/2.8. With a "home position" lock - the current 15-85 droops a bit when camera is on a neck strap (ok, the lens is 5 years old).