New EOS M Body Coming in October? [CR1]

[Tinky]

Point of spectrum bordering pedancy. The 1200D is actually the EU version of the Rebel T5, the EU version of the SL1 is called the 100D which is slightly higher spec'd and slightly more expensive.

It would be slightly nice if any new M reverted back to the LP-E12...

The M3 is too expensive. Any new M needs dual pixel af. It's simple Canon, if you are going to make a camera aimed at AF users, and make MF so horrible to use, then your AF needs to work, and needs to be on a par with your competitors.

The M is dead until then.

 

[AvTvM]

The 1200D (SL1?) goes for 270 Euro in Germany, the M3 is - kit lens
deducted - around 470 currently. This is exactly the 200 Euro difference
that this rumour mentioned.

Yes, this entry level position needs to be manned and the position needs
to be defended, if they want to replace DSLRs with M-series mirrorless
cameras.

Problem is, in Germany and most of Europe you cannot deduct the M kit lens, because the M3 is sold WITH kit lens only. EF-M 18-55 kit lens is close to impossible to sell, since most users with an EOS M/2/3 body have that lens already. Those who don't have it, don't want it - but prefer some other lens, mostly 22/2.0

1. Canon should have offered M3 body and M3 body+ECV kit - without lens - also in Europe from the start.
2. Price for M3 body and kits should at least not be higher than EOS 100D/SL-1 (if not 1200D/T5).
3. Then M3 would be priced right for the entry level camera it is. Although it would still not match the fact, that a mirrorless cam is way cheaper to build than a mirrorslapper.
4. What's needed is a higher specced M body - EVF built-in, better AF, battery with more juice, regular EOS interface (not Powershot) - to start with.

 

[AvTvM]

It would be slightly nice if any new M reverted back to the LP-E12...

yeah, they should have skipped the LP17 - hardly any improvement despite 875 to 1040 mAh - not worth the incompatibility. Given the increase in size with the M3 (over M1/2) I would have preferred Canon sticking a grwon-up LP-E6N battery into it. Would have fit into the grip. And might have yielded at least 500 shots.

 

[gn100]

I wouldn't be surprised if they split the M range in 2 ..... an entry level model with body similar to an M/M2 to enable the smallest possible camera, and a higher specified model with a body more similar to an M3 (maybe with built in EVF?).

The interview with the Canon exec recently posted suggested that a higher end model will be here very soon.

All the M cameras have been overpriced at release, which has scared away the lower end consumers .... even though the lenses have been competitively priced. Instead many M's have been sold at discounted prices as a compact camera for enthusiasts. If Canon is serious about mirrorless, then they will need different models for different customer segments.

 

[crashpc]

In my point of view, M3 in Europe is a joke, compared to M/M2 taking the price into account. I might collect some money to get M3, but it comes only with the lens I don´t want to use, and it doesn´t run anywhere far once you shoot more stationary objects. Simply a joke. No real upgrade.
So M3 Light edition in very small and light body would be more sensible for me, and M4 higher class/specs body would also be more sensible to me. Not the current M3. It´s a joke. And of course, just an opinion.

 

[9VIII]

Whatever it is, they need Dual Pixel AF on EOS-M.
It's completely illogical to have one of the best on-sensor autofocusing systems on the market and not implement it on your system that is limited to using on-sensor autofocus.

Apparently that also means it's going to be a higher priced product, but selling EOS-M only in one price bracket doesn't make sense either.
To be fair, Canon takes years and years to develop anything. For all we know the M-4 body (regardless of what it's called in the end) could have been in the works since 2012 and we're just hearing about it now.

 

[Quackator]

Problem is, in Germany and most of Europe you cannot deduct the M kit lens, because the M3 is sold WITH kit lens only.

Right. Which is exactly why I haven't bought one yet.
Had one tet sample for four weeks, and would have instantly bought
it if it weren't for that kit lens.

BUT: They will not be able to sustain that forever.
The minute they drop the forced bundle, I will buy the M3 body only.

 

[AvTvM]

Problem is, in Germany and most of Europe you cannot deduct the M kit lens, because the M3 is sold WITH kit lens only.

Right. Which is exactly why I haven't bought one yet. Had one tet sample for four weeks, and would have instantly bought it if it weren't for that kit lens.
BUT: They will not be able to sustain that forever. The minute they drop the forced bundle, I will buy the M3 body only.

almost the same for me. Except ... NOW I will no longer buy an M3, even it if were offered at € 299 body only. I will only upgrade, if Canon really moves their butt and brings a totally competitive high-end M4.

"Totally competitive" means to me: at least as good as upcoming Sony A7000 (meaning: better than A6000) in all key aspects: top-notch EVF built in, sensor performance, AF performance, connectivity, battery charge, etc. - priced not 1 cent higher than A7000. Of course available as body only, not just forced kits. Otherwise, I'll skip the next gen EOS M bodies as well.

 

[Bob Howland]

I could buy the SL1 and have something similar in size and weight, just less expensive. Plus I have an optical VF and much quicker AF.

I've always thought that the SL1 is the M-system's biggest competitor.

 

[AvTvM]

The whole M thing is so unattractive for me right now... Its size and weight advantage is almost gone when you're using the 18-55mm kit lens or anything bigger like EF lenses with the adapter. Except you're attaching pancakes on an EOS M... but there's not so much to choose from.

I could buy the SL1 and have something similar in size and weight, just less expensive. Plus I have an optical VF and much quicker AF.

Can you explain it to me, why someone should buy an EOS M3 right now? If it's the size & weight advantage, I'd just shake my head... :

for me it is size/weight. My M (1) + 18-55 + 1 spare battery fits into a little LowePro Dashpoint 20 bag. This bag is attached to my left Backpack strap on all my mountaineering activities without restricting my movements or being uncomfortable at all. Not possible with SL-1 plus EF-S 18-55. That package is too bulky.

And if I want to go really small, it is M + 22/2.0 ... that one fits into any of my coat pockets and is with me in urban environments.

 

[Etienne]

I hope they are not thinking of going "below" the EOS-M3 ... that's just depressing.

 

[that1guyy]

Canon exec: "So guys, we have failed three times so lets create an even more crippled camera and maybe it'll sell this time"
Canon exec 2: "Brilliant!"

Good ol' deluded Canon.

 

[privatebydesign]

Canon exec: "So guys, we have failed three times so lets create an even more crippled camera and maybe it'll sell this time"
Canon exec 2: "Brilliant!"

Good ol' deluded Canon.

Yeh, apart from the fact that all three M's have been best sellers in Japan. The camera world does not revolve around you or the good ol' USA, go figure..........

 

[AvTvM]

Canon exec: "So guys, we have failed three times so lets create an even more crippled camera and maybe it'll sell this time"
Canon exec 2: "Brilliant!"

Good ol' deluded Canon.

Yeh, apart from the fact that all three M's have been best sellers in Japan. The camera world does not revolve around you or the good ol' USA, go figure..........

Correct. EOS M1/2/3 are a total disaster in Europe too. Go figure!

 

[Quackator]

Correct. EOS M1/2/3 are a total disaster in Europe too.

Are they? Canon managed to sell the EOS M to me, and the very
minute they drop the kit zoom bundle they will sell the M3 to me.

No other brand managed to sell me onto one of their mirrorless
cameras. THIS is the face of failure.

 

[WillT]

Canon exec: "So guys, we have failed three times so lets create an even more crippled camera and maybe it'll sell this time"
Canon exec 2: "Brilliant!"

Good ol' deluded Canon.

Yeh, apart from the fact that all three M's have been best sellers in Japan. The camera world does not revolve around you or the good ol' USA, go figure..........

Can you provide a source, I am not doubting you but all I can find suggest Sony is the market leader in Japan for mirrorless cameras?

 

[privatebydesign]

Canon exec: "So guys, we have failed three times so lets create an even more crippled camera and maybe it'll sell this time"
Canon exec 2: "Brilliant!"

Good ol' deluded Canon.

Yeh, apart from the fact that all three M's have been best sellers in Japan. The camera world does not revolve around you or the good ol' USA, go figure..........

Can you provide a source, I am not doubting you but all I can find suggest Sony is the market leader in Japan for mirrorless cameras?

Didn't mean to imply No1 best seller, but this is a lot of cameras....


2012: 3rd http://photorumors.com/2012/11/01/top-10-best-selling-mirrorless-interchangeable-lens-cameras-in-japan/
2013: 2nd http://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-m-second-sold-mirrorless-camera-japan-2013/
2014: 3rd/4th http://petapixel.com/2015/01/31/graph-mirrorless-camera-industry-japan-changed-2014/


You might notice in that time the Sony market share for mirrorless has actually decreased and the Canon market share increased. Canon also dominate the DSLR market and the "Digital Camera Integrated Lens" markets where Sony have virtually no presence.

 

[Loswr]

Canon exec: "So guys, we have failed three times so lets create an even more crippled camera and maybe it'll sell this time"
Canon exec 2: "Brilliant!"

Good ol' deluded Canon.

Yeh, apart from the fact that all three M's have been best sellers in Japan. The camera world does not revolve around you or the good ol' USA, go figure..........

Can you provide a source, I am not doubting you but all I can find suggest Sony is the market leader in Japan for mirrorless cameras?

Sony is the #1 MILC brand in Japan. But they have several lines with several models each. Canon has one line and three models, and the point is on an individual basis the M cameras do very well. For example, the original M was the #2 selling model in Japan for its first (partial) year out.

In August, looking across all ILCs in Japan, 7 models/kits were dSLRs (5 Canon, 2 Nikon), two were Oly MILCs, and the M2 was #10, outselling all Sony models.

Data are from BCN, here's August 2015:

http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008_month.html

 

[Haydn1971]

Like it or not, mass buyers go by price. That has always been Canons roots. They pay exceptional detail to the tradeoffs between features and costs. That's why they make a profit when others are losing money.

Exactly this - I've said from the start, I see a range of three cameras, the then original M being the mid point, metal body, good build, with a plastic body underneath with a lesser sensor, then a range topper. I still see this, with an entry level using next genbasic tech, the M4 using 80D tech, the range topper offering something extra EVF and bigger body perhaps ?

An entry level body is fantastic news, it will shift loads of 18-55mm lenses, increase the sales of the current range and build the case for higher quality and esoteric lenses in the EF-M range. Bring it on I say.

 

[AvTvM]

An entry level body is fantastic news, it will shift loads of 18-55mm lenses, increase the sales of the current range and build the case for higher quality and esoteric lenses in the EF-M range. Bring it on I say.

I fail to see the link between an entry level M and the demand for "higher quality and esoteric" EF-M lenses. Any EOS camera lower than the M3 would be a shame in 2015. no need for a M more entry level, just reduce the M3 price by €/$ 200 and bring a kick-ass M4. No need for freakin' "esoteric" lenses like f/1.2 crap .. all that's missing is a compact, optically good, and highly affordable medium/portrait tele ... EF-M 85/2.0 IS STM @ €/$ 300.
no need for fisheyes, tilt-shifts, 800mm teles in EF-M mount. No need for multiple 18-200mm f/6.3 consumer dark-zooms. No need for yet snotjer 60mm macro lens. Use the Ef-s or the 100mm Ef lenses.
It really really comes down to one fully competitive EOS M4 body.