new lens and camerabody

[Mt Spokane Photography]

... it's a good think i'm patient and my money gets to compound interest until it's announced/released.

Where do you get interest on your money these days?

Inflation and rising prices seem to overwhelm the paltry interest rates.

 

[awinphoto]

... it's a good think i'm patient and my money gets to compound interest until it's announced/released.

Where do you get interest on your money these days?

Inflation and rising prices seem to overwhelm the paltry interest rates.

I've got my options... =) hopefully this camera will arrive when i'm young enough to do stuff with it, haha.

 

[DJL329]

My doubts are like this...

first buy?
> CANON 7D [1.035 eur]
> CANON EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM (€999)
> lighting, tripods, heads...

second buy?
> CANON EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM (€1 250)

third buy
> CANON EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM (€1 199)

please, which could be your opinion

Since you are just starting out and you're ultimate goal is to get the 5D Mark II (or III), then you should consider getting a cheaper body (600D) to start. Even consider a used or refurbished one, such as the 40D.

Canon Refurbished Lenses:
http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductListingViewAll_10051_10051_-1_22751

Canon Refurbished Bodies:
http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductListingViewAll_10051_10051_-1_29252

Fred Miranda Buy & Sell Forum (great place to buy used equipment):
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/board/10

Fred Miranda Discussion and Review Forums:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/

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If you're going to be using the ultra-wide angle lens for shooting landscapes (and, therefore, don't need the extra f-stop), consider the 17-40mm f/4L, it's almost as wide and about half the cost (it also takes 77mm filters, instead of 82mm ones). Another option, is a used 16-35mm Mark I (the original used 77mm filters).

You mentioned you wanted to shoot some sports, so check out the 70-200mm f/4L, instead of the 24-105. You will double your reach and eliminate the overlap with the ultra-wide.

You could then get a 50mm f/1.4 to fill the gap in between those 2 lenses. Using a fast prime, like a 50mm 'normal' lens, is a great way to learn exposure (much easier to blur the background) and comes in handy in low-light situations, including portraits. (I recommend that this should be the first lens that you buy.)

In the end, no one can tell you which is the correct lens to buy. Read reviews and decide what you want to do with your camera and lens(es).

Finally, remember that a great photo depends more on the skill of the photographer, than the camera and lens. The camera might set the exposure correctly, but it cannot choose or frame the subject.

Good luck and have fun,

DJL

 

[awinphoto]

Ii would skip the 24-105 and go for the 24-70 and if you like, go later for an 70-200 or 70-300.
I think it makes no sense, to have two lens in the same range. But depends on you needs.

I believe I may have mis-spoken/mistyped because I reread the thread and he mentioned he was getting the 24-105 and then going to later buy the 24-70 and you said having 2 lenses in the same range made no sense and I replyed nonsense... I guess i misread and thought I read his third purchase was a 70-200... (saw 70 and went in that direction in my mind)... In that mindset, having the 24-105 and 24-70 makes no sense. Personally I would go with the 24-105 instead of the 24-70, unless perhaps the 24-70 IS comes out, however unless that happened, I wouldn't bother. I would recommend he got the 70-200 F(whatever his budget can afford(2.8-4) on his third purchase instead of the 24-70. That way he has a mid, wide and tele. Then maybe adding a 50mm 1.4 or 85 1.8 or some large aperture lens down the road for the misc shooting conditions when f2.8/4 aren't wide enough. With those 4 lenses he should be good in my guestimation. Also avoiding EF-S lenses may work well if he's hoping to upgrade to FF in the future.

 

[Loswr]

In that mindset, having the 24-105 and 24-70 makes no sense. Personally I would go with the 24-105 instead of the 24-70, unless perhaps the 24-70 IS comes out, however unless that happened, I wouldn't bother.

I can see some sense to it - the 24-70mm provides an extra stop of light, which in some situations is critical. Personally, I've recently done some shooting in the evening, when I wanted the flexibility of a zoom, had moving subjects which negated the benefit of IS, and ISO 3200 with the f/4 of the 24-105mm wasn't doing the trick - one more stop would have been enough to stop the subject motion and bump the keeper rate to something acceptable. I've considered the 24-70mm, but would really like an IS version of that lens. If I had both current lenses, the 24-105mm would get more use, I'd bet.

 

[awinphoto]

In that mindset, having the 24-105 and 24-70 makes no sense. Personally I would go with the 24-105 instead of the 24-70, unless perhaps the 24-70 IS comes out, however unless that happened, I wouldn't bother.

I can see some sense to it - the 24-70mm provides an extra stop of light, which in some situations is critical. Personally, I've recently done some shooting in the evening, when I wanted the flexibility of a zoom, had moving subjects which negated the benefit of IS, and ISO 3200 with the f/4 of the 24-105mm wasn't doing the trick - one more stop would have been enough to stop the subject motion and bump the keeper rate to something acceptable. I've considered the 24-70mm, but would really like an IS version of that lens. If I had both current lenses, the 24-105mm would get more use, I'd bet.

Well shoot assuming money is no issue, then yeah, get as many lenses as you can, however as he is starting out his gear, I wouldn't recommend jumping out and getting both lenses within his first few lens purchases until he comes into the situation (and have enough training to know the difference) where he would want and need a faster lens. Even at that, 2.8 is only 1 stop faster and at that point, he may even want to consider a fast prime or two to combat that situation (my original recommendation for his 4th purchase). Its fun spending other peoples money, haha. =)

 

[Loswr]

Well shoot assuming money is no issue, then yeah, get as many lenses as you can, however as he is starting out his gear, I wouldn't recommend jumping out and getting both lenses within his first few lens purchases until he comes into the situation (and have enough training to know the difference) where he would want and need a faster lens. Even at that, 2.8 is only 1 stop faster and at that point, he may even want to consider a fast prime or two to combat that situation (my original recommendation for his 4th purchase). Its fun spending other peoples money, haha. =)

Agreed. I'm only considering the 24-70mm in addition to the 24-105mm based on experience and need (and being fortunate to have the budget to support it - but still a bit reluctant, since what I really want to spend that $ on is a 1DsIV or a 500mm f/4L II).

In general, I think the combinaton of a slower zoom, ideally with IS, and a fast prime, is a great option.

For the OP, assuming the 7D is the choice, I think the best combination of lenses would be an EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and an 85mm f/1.8. The main issue with the choices offered in the second post (7D + 24-105mm + flash/tripod/etc., then a 16-35mm II later on) is that the op also stated, "First of all, i love lanscape wide angle pictures," and a 24mm lens on a 7D is not wide angle.

 

[awinphoto]

"First of all, i love lanscape wide angle pictures," and a 24mm lens on a 7D is not wide angle.

Well 24mm is wide angle if you walk back enough to make it wide angle, haha. Joking aside I think unless he needs the 2.8, some options he could go is the 24-105 IS is a great all around lens, he could get that, and then as neuro mentioned in a prior post, pick up a 10-22mm EF-S lens... or you can get a 10-20 sigma, or equivelent tokina or whatever... those are good for crop bodies such as the EF-S and if and when you even move on from the crop body (7D, 60D, Rebels, etc)... and move to full frame like the 5D and 1Ds, then you only have to sell 1 lens, still have a good all around lens, and can use the money from the sell of the ef-s lens to buy whatever gear you deem appropriate at that time. That way he's not being forced into buying additional lenses JUST BECAUSE he is upgrading bodies, unless he wants to.

 

[Loswr]

That way he's not being forced into buying additional lenses JUST BECAUSE he is upgrading bodies, unless he wants to.

That assumes s/he will sell the 7D upon going FF. I didn't...and I still have (and use) my EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS.

 

[awinphoto]

That way he's not being forced into buying additional lenses JUST BECAUSE he is upgrading bodies, unless he wants to.

That assumes s/he will sell the 7D upon going FF. I didn't...and I still have (and use) my EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS.

True enough...

 

[Rocky]

It seems nobody is talking about camera bags. It is another important part of the equipment. I know people that move from DSLR (entry level body) back to P & S just because they choose the wrong bag and claim the DSLR is too"Clumsy". camera bag is more personal than any camera gear. Some like the back pack style. I hate it. whether you need to take you camera out or even worse, changing lens, you need to remove it from your back, put it down somewhere first then start changing your gear. How bad can it get? I like a reasonable size shoulder bag to carry it across my body. My bag also have almost an inch overlap between the boby and the lid for water and dust protection. The lid can be zipped for full closure of a quick buckle for quick open or close to ensure stuuf in the bag will not fall out. The bag has close cell foam padding on all six side therefore it is semi-regid. the compartents inside the bag are extremely customizeable. Each piece of gear should have its own compartment and NO lens bag should be used.
I can change lens in a snap by using thr bag as a platfor/bucket wthout any help. All my lenses are accessible from the top of the bag.
Last word: the bag should have extra room for a binocular, a small P & S camera and spce for your wallet if you travel a lot.

 

[Rocky]

17-40mm f4 is a great lens for crop body if your interest is in landscape and not a fan of telephoto. It will give you 35mm equilvalent of 27 to 64mm. This is my main lens. It gets me through at least 85 % of the shooting situation. This lens will still be usable when you move to FF. It will become a super wide angle with some nastiness at the corners when wide open at the widest setting. Also for $100 extra, the 18-55mm IS kit lens is good complement for the 17-40mm for low light situation. I use it mainly inside the museum.

 

[Loswr]

Some like the back pack style. I hate it. whether you need to take you camera out or even worse, changing lens, you need to remove it from your back, put it down somewhere first then start changing your gear. How bad can it get?

If I'm just carrying one body and one or two lenses (or one lens and a flash), then I use a Lowepro Toploader Pro (65AW for standard lens, 75AW for telezoom), with the other lens or flash in a LensCase or S&F Quick Flex Pouch attached to the side. But, if I'm carrying a substantial amount of gear, I definitely prefer the backpack-style bag. A sling or messenger bag, where the weight is all on one shoulder, is not the ideal way to carry a moderately heavy load. I use a Lowepro Flipside 400AW. When you carry the gear, weight is distributed mostly to the hips and some to the shoulders - I've carried a gripped body and 5-6 lenses (including one or two big white zooms), a total load of 22 lbs/10 kg, and worn that comfortably all day. It's also great for urban environments, since the main compartment opens in front (i.e. the area of the bag that's against your back) for greater security. It also has an all-weather cover. It's designed to deal with the exact issue you mention - instead of taking it off to access the bag or change lenses, you slip off the shoulder straps but leave the hip belt on, and rotate the bag around to the front. It becomes a nice platform for changing lenses, and you never have to set it down.

17-40mm f4 is a great lens for crop body if your interest is in landscape and not a fan of telephoto. It will give you 35mm equilvalent of 27 to 64mm. This is my main lens. It gets me through at least 85 % of the shooting situation. This lens will still be usable when you move to FF. It will become a super wide angle with some nastiness at the corners when wide open at the widest setting. Also for $100 extra, the 18-55mm IS kit lens is good complement for the 17-40mm for low light situation. I use it mainly inside the museum.

I'd recommend the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS over the EF 17-40mm f/4L for use on an APS-C camera. Despite the 'sweet spot' effect of using an EF lens on a crop body, the 17-40mm still has more distortion and is a little less sharp than the 17-55mm. The 17-55mm reaches into the short tele range, offers f/2.8 for better low light performance and also activates the high-precision center AF point, the lens has IS. AFAIK, there are only two arguments in favor of using the 17-40mm over the 17-55mm on an APS-C camera - one, you're buying a FF camera in the next few months and two, you need a weather sealed lens. If you plan to go FF 'eventually' or 'sometime soon' you're better off getting the right/best lens(es) for your current body - high end EF-S lenses like the 17-55mm hold their value well (I bought mine 1.5 years ago, and today I could sell it for more than I paid for it). Also, some folks go FF but keep a crop body (I did), and so still have a use for the 17-55mm. Regarding weather sealing, it's only necessary if you have a 7D (the only semi-sealed crop body), and you plan to shoot in the rain. Personally, the tradeoffs in versatility would not be worth it just for the weather sealing.

 

[aganda]

hello again, thanks for all ideas that could give me a way to see the best buy. look i made a small list for day 23 july and this is my idea
CANON 5D KIT 24-70 L USM 2760
CANON EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM 1199 (diference 1561 eur)

CANON 5D KIT 24-105 L IS USM 2495
CANON EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM 999 (diference 1496 eur)

CANON 7D KIT 15-85 IS USM 1890

CANON 5D Mark II 1875

CANON 7D KIT 18-135 IS 1529

CANON 7D 1305
CANON EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM 1199 (total 2504 eur)

so as far as i can see, there are 2 options:

1.- CANON 5D KIT CANON EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM 2760 eur (better choice??? )
2.- CANON 7D+CANON EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM (total 2504 eur) (260 eur diference)

what to do? foward thanks

 

[Loswr]

1.- CANON 5D KIT CANON EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM 2760 eur (better choice??? )
2.- CANON 7D+CANON EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM (total 2504 eur) (260 eur diference)

Unless you plan to buy other lenses, #1 is a better choice. 24mm on a 7D is not a wide angle lens, and in your first post you mentioned landscapes (first among your list of intended subjects). If your main subjects will be fast-moving (sports, wildlife), get the 7D + 17-55mm and 70-200mm (ideally f/2.8 ).

 

[aganda]

hello everybody, finally i have the camera CANON 5D MARK II+ kit EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM+77mm UV Protector Filter.... (2.400 euros)
I'm a very happy man!
First thing that I made since my last comunication was to buy some videos:
>(Introduction to the Canon 5D Mark II_Vol1_Basic Controls)
>(PhotoshopCAFE_The Landscape Photographers Guide to Magic Light)
>(Canon Speedlite 580EX II 430EX II Crash Course)
>(Canon 7D Crash Course Training Video DVD Guide_Made for Beginners)

And here I am trying to find a normal bag for daily walk around an also a small trpod to use with this bag, maybe a Lowepro Toploader Pro 75 AW ?

Thanks to every body and I allways still reading on this foro.

And saving monney for a CANON EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM (~850 eur)

 

[Loswr]

And here I am trying to find a normal bag for daily walk around ...maybe a Lowepro Toploader Pro 75 AW?

I'd get the Toploader Pro 70 AW instead. The 75 AW is sized for a 70-200/2.8 or 100-400mm lens, too much room for a 24-70mm. The 70 AW will be a better fit.

 

[ron582]

Hi happy man...

Gefeliciteerd..Where did you buy it for that price! And where can i buy it for that price

(hello everybody, finally i have the camera CANON 5D MARK II+ kit EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM+77mm UV Protector Filter.... (2.400 euros)

Grtzzz

(i am new on this forum)

 

[aganda]

Hi happy man...

Gefeliciteerd..Where did you buy it for that price! And where can i buy it for that price

(hello everybody, finally i have the camera CANON 5D MARK II+ kit EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM+77mm UV Protector Filter.... (2.400 euros)

Grtzzz

(i am new on this forum)

Shop name:
LA CASA DEL ELECTRICISTA
place :
BARAKALDO, BIZKAIA. BASQUE COUNTRY


It was fast they didn't have any... five 5DII+24-70mm kit cameras was sold that week and with my order they ordered five more... incredible.

> body 5DII -------------------------- 1610 eur
> 5DII+24-70 f/2.8 L USM ----------- 2433 eur
> grip BG-E6--------------------------- 199 eur
> SpeedLight 580EX II ----------------- 351 eur
> EF 100mm f/2.8 L Macro IS USM -- 667eur
> EF 85 mm f/1.8 USM -------------- 1648 eur
> CANON TC-80N3 ------------------- 99 eur
> SANDISK EXTREME CF 16GB 60MB/s 69 eur

 

[ecka]

> EF 85 mm f/1.8 USM -------------- 1648 eur

Are you serious? That's way too much...
It is only around 400eur in my area.