New Lens Information for Photokina
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mrsfotografie said:
I think distinguishing dSLR's from smartphones makes better sense than making a lens with relatively deep DoF as a starting point at the long end.
I'm not sure going back to the good old days of film, flash bulbs, no radio control, no AF, and on and on is a great plan either.
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The 40mm pancake turned out to be quite popular so maybe this 24mm one will too .... but wait EF-S? Now that just seems a little bit silly to me. Why restrict it to crop only? And without IS? This thing had better be under $100 because otherwise why would anyone need this? The kit lens does f/3.5 IS at 24mm, right? And if you want a quality 24mm prime there's the ~ $500 EF 24mm f/2.8 IS (which is pretty small already IMO).
The 24-105 could be a cheaper FF option. Some people were banging on about that here so I guess there might be a demand but seriously? So you fork out $1600 on a FF 6D right? Assuming you went body only. And then you go an pair it with, what I assume will be, a cheap kit lens with compromised IQ? Why? Why not just stick with a rebel and a 18-55 kit lens if you're a cheapo? Having a FF camera means you give a s___ about IQ. This rumor makes no sense.
And a 400mm DO version 2?
because the the original was so popular right?? Right?
Where is the 100-400 replacement and where is our 50mm IS?
I have a feeling the next rumor will say "Sorry no 7D replacement, just a white powershot with instagram built in".
The 24-105 could be a cheaper FF option. Some people were banging on about that here so I guess there might be a demand but seriously? So you fork out $1600 on a FF 6D right? Assuming you went body only. And then you go an pair it with, what I assume will be, a cheap kit lens with compromised IQ? Why? Why not just stick with a rebel and a 18-55 kit lens if you're a cheapo? Having a FF camera means you give a s___ about IQ. This rumor makes no sense.
And a 400mm DO version 2?
because the the original was so popular right?? Right? Where is the 100-400 replacement and where is our 50mm IS?
I have a feeling the next rumor will say "Sorry no 7D replacement, just a white powershot with instagram built in".
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The 44mm flange distance and 24mm focal length already makes for plenty of complexity to meet the size requirements of a pancake lens. Throw into the retrofocus mix a relatively large aperture, and you've got something even harder to pull off. The M mount with its 18mm flange distance doesn't have such issues.glottis said:
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Omni Images said:
even i would love a update to existing 400 5.6, but that is a perfect lens as it is. i use it regularly for shooting shy lizards from a distance. another lens that want to see is ef 60mm f2.8 usm with internal focus. that lens would certainly make its way into my bag to accompany 150mm macro.
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Interesting news. A lot less excited about these lenses than the 100-400mm and 24mm pancake EF lens that have been rumored about.
But still good to hear some new toys coming onto the market
But still good to hear some new toys coming onto the market
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An EF-S 24mm f/2.8 pancake makes a lot more sense than an EF version given the size of the existing 24mm EF lenses, plus it gives the APS-C users the same FOV as a 40mm pancake for FF. Canon could have make a EF 24 f/4 pancake, but that's a bit slow on FF and even worse for APS-C.
I'm not surprised that Canon is bringing out a new consumer line of lenses -- a line that falls below the L's and the midrange EFs (24 f/2.8 IS, 28 f/2.8 IS, 35 f/2 IS). The camera market is not growing like it has been for the last 15 years, and FF camera prices are falling. With falling FF prices, we'll start to see the reintroduction of consumer lenses for FF cameras. Do people expect consumers to pony up $1000 to buy a FF camera and then $1000s more for lenses? These lenses, which were ubiquitous with film cameras, did not sell well with their lower IQ and expensive FF bodies, but most consumers will be satifsfied with 24-105 or a 28-300 (rumored), and they might supplement it with another lens or two.
I'm not surprised that Canon is bringing out a new consumer line of lenses -- a line that falls below the L's and the midrange EFs (24 f/2.8 IS, 28 f/2.8 IS, 35 f/2 IS). The camera market is not growing like it has been for the last 15 years, and FF camera prices are falling. With falling FF prices, we'll start to see the reintroduction of consumer lenses for FF cameras. Do people expect consumers to pony up $1000 to buy a FF camera and then $1000s more for lenses? These lenses, which were ubiquitous with film cameras, did not sell well with their lower IQ and expensive FF bodies, but most consumers will be satifsfied with 24-105 or a 28-300 (rumored), and they might supplement it with another lens or two.
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RickWagoner said:
Just because it isn't broken doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Adding IS would add little if any weight and significantly increase application and value. Sure the price would be higher than the current model at introduction, but it would settle down over time. And once a 400/5.6 IS was announced, there'd be a lot more of the current model in excellent condition up for sale at record low prices.
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Not me, but people that want a light, cheap lens for landscape, travel, & studio use where shallow DOF is never used. 6D shooters would likely be the target for this lens.YuengLinger said:
Your logic makes about as much sense as saying who would want a crop sensor, or would want a camera any less tough than the 1D X.
There's this little thing called market segmentation. It's how big companies make money. Reference Canon's profits on the Rebel line vs. the 1D line.
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Update to the 45mm and 90mm TS-E lenses.
A 50mm 1.2 without significant focus shift issues, and sharp edge to edge.
The endlessly missing ~14-24mm 2.8.
I guess these are lusted after by too few...
A 50mm 1.2 without significant focus shift issues, and sharp edge to edge.
The endlessly missing ~14-24mm 2.8.
I guess these are lusted after by too few...
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Zv said:
I currently use the discontinued 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 USM II for that purpose. Surprisingly, this is one of the lenses that the 5d3 and 6d have included for Automatic Lens Optimization. So Canon is obviously aware that there is a need. If this new one is small, light, and affordable, it will find its way into many bags. I'm hoping its street price comes in between the 28-135 (~$300) and the 24-70 f/4 (~$1000). Great for outdoor, walk-around, f/8-and-be-there kind of shooting.
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mackguyver said:
I think the logic is ok. You are talking about what people will accept, not what they want.
I'm thinking about how dSLR's continue losing ground, and that putting out mediocre lenses which will produce disappointing results for new buyers accelerates that.
I'm committed to Canon. I'm satisfied with my gear, in some cases extremely pleased. I'd recommend Canon. Their CPS is fantastic.
But I do think it is ok to point out blunders and express disappointment.
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mackguyver said:
Mac, I generally agree with your viewpoint, but I do wonder how Canon would slot this lens. Since the 24-105 "L" already sells for around $600 in white box form, it seems like it would be hard to make this lens competitive in price, unless it is really, really cheap.
Maybe they are looking to stop selling the 24-105 "L" as a kit lens, wait for the supply to dry up in the market and then in a few years introduce a 24-105 "L" II at a significantly increased price? If that happens, we'll all be patting ourselves on the back for getting the 24-105 "L" when it was cheap.
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