New used Canon 1D Mark IV at a night football shoot
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tiger82 said:
If you keep the same shutterspeed, my guess the 7D MKII will be one stop ISO higher to get the same result. It is just a guess. I am curious about the comparison between the two AF-systems.... will the 7D MKII be more precise - better keepers, faster.....?
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One or two ISO stops higher and I get the same shot will keep me happy if I get the extra crop reach. I will wait and see. It looks like I can get a 1D4, 7D2, and 5D3 for less than the price of a 1Dx and sell off my 5D2 and 70D. So if the 7D2 can do that, I will get one then sell my 5D2 and 70D to get the 5D3 or whatever is coming down the line
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tiger82 said:
Having had the 1D4 and having tried the 5D3 (both VERY nice cameras) but not being able to comment on the 7D2 yet, I can see why you are concerned at the price of the 1DX! I would therefore strongly suggest that you do not try out a 1DX under any circumstances. I had my 1DX for 3 months before I sold my 1D4 and can confirm that the advances are significant and well worth the extra expense, though the extra weight is not welcome.
You also mention the "crop reach". Having gone from APSC (1.6 crop) cameras to APSH (1.3 crop) to full frame I am not really experiencing any significant loss of reach or pixel density and would certainly not entertain a smaller sensor DSLR with current technology for my uses.
I am not a sports shooter, I shoot mainly small birds using the Canon 800mm F5.6 L IS and 300mm F2.8 L IS - so if there were a significant loss of reach I would know about it.
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The 7D MK II is about one stop worse than the 1D MK IV in this comparison. I used mine at ISO 12800. Use Raw, not jpeg. The older jpeg engine in the 1D MK IV probably does not reduce noise as much as the 7D MK II, the noise is there, the 7DII just has more NR.
Compare them yourself, the 7D MK II at ISO 6400 is very similar to the 1D MK IV at 12800.
I compare the yarn for detail, saturation, and contrast.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
Compare them yourself, the 7D MK II at ISO 6400 is very similar to the 1D MK IV at 12800.
I compare the yarn for detail, saturation, and contrast.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
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tiger82 said:
Premium?
My 1DX cost 100 GBP less than my 1D4 - both bought new after their prices had dropped from their initial highs.
As to 24mp - no thanks especially if it cost any high ISO performance, which (with current technology) it is bound to do. As I stated in my previous post the 1D4 is a fine camera and I loved mine but the 1 DX is significantly better for my uses especially with the longest lenses.
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tiger82 said:
Current values 1DX = $4,799 http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/09/deal-canon-eos-1d-x-body-4799/
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tiger82 said:
Not saying they are the same, just that the difference is coming down, that is "only" a $2,300 difference. Now if you only have $2,500 then the choice is made, but in my experience if you can stretch to the newer model then it is normally worth it in the long run.
In my experience CPS are happy to register "foreign" bodies and lenses.
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tiger82 said:
I was merely quoting the relative prices of my camera to show that the 1DX need not be such a price jump as many seem to think. Naturally if you are going to compare a new current camera to a superseded, lesser, used model it is going to be more expensive - that seems pretty obvious.
As to the 1DX being worth the extra, to me, it most certainty is! If you are using long lenses in less than perfect light then the difference in AF and ISO performance is a lot, so much so that I have only used the IS on my Canon 800 F5.6 once (briefly) this year so I am additionally benefiting from further improvements in AF performance from the lens as well as the camera. The AF benefits of turning off IS are very small but I am getting more successful shots since turning it off, this applies to a friends Canon 600 F4 L IS as well, doesn't seem to make much difference with my 300 F2.8 L IS though.
If you are shooting in reasonable light then the 1D4 is still an excellent camera - the 1DX is simply better.
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