Nikon announced D750

[joejohnbear]

I would not encourage enthusiasts/consumers to get such an expensive camera without getting proper lenses first, but to each his own. A consumer camera is a rebel and the 70D/D7100 is the limit of the prosumer market. There is a market to the professional photographer with APS-C and that was filled previously by the D300s and the 7D, no matter how much marketing Canon and Nikon might try to throw at you trying to convince you to go full frame. A 7D or 7D mk ii for a beginner with a kit lens is a waste of money anyways.

I don't know a single pro photog who uses a crop camera. They all bailed on the 7D pretty quick and never went back.

Exactly.

Whether Canon intends it or not, the 7D2 will be bought by enthusiasts/consumers - not pros.
Same as the D750.

From that perspective, it makes sense to compare the two and ponder who got it more right - Nikon or Canon.

 

[roguewave]

7DII and D750 are way different markets. You buy the APS-C flagship for use with supertelephotos and the additional crop on the field or in the wild. The FF/FX camera works better with wide angle lenses and equivalent focal lengths.

I don't know a single pro photog who uses a crop camera. They all bailed on the 7D pretty quick and never went back.

Anyone who pays $2000 for an inferior APS-C sensor is getting ripped off.

I remember seeing a post on these forums about a sunset-watching squirrel picture taken with the 50D and published in the Outside Magazine... weren't you that photographer? Not bad for an inferior APS-C sensor ;D

 

[MichaelHodges]

7DII and D750 are way different markets. You buy the APS-C flagship for use with supertelephotos and the additional crop on the field or in the wild. The FF/FX camera works better with wide angle lenses and equivalent focal lengths.

I don't know a single pro photog who uses a crop camera. They all bailed on the 7D pretty quick and never went back.

Anyone who pays $2000 for an inferior APS-C sensor is getting ripped off.

I remember seeing a post on these forums about a sunset-watching squirrel picture taken with the 50D and published in the Outside Magazine... weren't you that photographer? Not bad for an inferior APS-C sensor ;D

Thanks. No one is saying that APS-C cameras can't take good pictures. They can.

My argument here is that paying $2000 for APS-C doesn't make sense when you're in full frame territory.

You'll get better images working with the limitations of the 6D than you will on a $2000 1.6x with 150 AF points (note that the context I'm applying here is nature photography).

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

My take,

The d750 sounds like a speced up d610, but not so speced up to be a real competitor to the d810 - sounds like a good partner camera for a d810 (for wedding shooters, d750 comes out for the ceremony and reception, d810 for the posed stuff and first dances...)

It makes me wonder if canon will upgrade the 6d sooner than later. It also makes me wonder if Nikon is putting an end to the d6xx line. It just seems like too many FF camera's now. In my opinion Nikon should have manned up and not gimped this camera - price it closer to $3k, 1/8000 shutter, CF slots instead of sd, more cross points. don't get me wrong, for the price it's a really good option as a companion body.

I find it funny that the 7d2 has some very impressive upgrades but canon folks blast it as a weak offering (AKA no promise of more DR), and they so praise nikon for always pushign the bar, then nikon does this. It's puzzling. I expected more from this release.

 

[Sporgon]

I don't know a single pro photog who uses a crop camera. They all bailed on the 7D pretty quick and never went back.

Exactly.

Whether Canon intends it or not, the 7D2 will be bought by enthusiasts/consumers - not pros.
Same as the D750.

From that perspective, it makes sense to compare the two and ponder who got it more right - Nikon or Canon.

You Guys, really !

You know which camera many real 'pros' want ? The cheapest they can get their hands on that will do the job.

 

[MichaelHodges]

Nikon has class-leading sensors, so the impetus is not on them.

 

[psolberg]

I don't like to bash companies just released gear without seeing the whole story, but seems strange to me it is somewhat crippled at a mere 6.5fps when the gripped 700 clocks at a respectable 8fps. hopefully nikon can correct this with a grip because 6fps really isn't going to cut it as an upgrade for action shooters if you were used to the 8fps of the prior model.

other than that, seems like a good price to me. It will probably hit street prices of low 2's for a 6.5 FPS full framer with semi-pro build. This is what I love about competition. If you asked me that would happen this year I'd say no. well done. well done.

 

[psolberg]

This is the kind of camera that makes people change systems.

Maybe a little will change but not many.
some D700 and D300 users will feel this is not real replacement to them, 1/4000 top shutter speed and flash sync only 1/200, No AF-on button, body style.
This is more like D620, upgrade from D600/D610 to D750.

+1
This camera will kill the sales of the newly announced D610, which killed the newly announced D600 few months earlier. It's a good competitor to the 6D though, and I hope Canon's 6D Mark II will have a real focusing system, not that desperate 1 cross type point one.

I'm not sure that makes much sense. the price difference is huge for the market the 610 goes after. You can buy the 610 and one of the many choices of the excellently supplied nikon f/1.8 affordable prime set for less and be happy for less. This is for the D700 guy who never upgraded to the 800 series due to low fps. And remember the 610 didn't kill the 600. Nikon killed the 600 to get rid of the bad rep of a QA fiasco.

plus if you're coming from APSC and don't own any full frame glass the price of the 750+lens starts to be an issue specially if you really don't need the 750s semi-pro features.

 

[joejohnbear]

As a former D700 guy, this is not something I would upgrade to. D3s or 5d Mk iii is what I would go with.

This is the kind of camera that makes people change systems.

Maybe a little will change but not many.
some D700 and D300 users will feel this is not real replacement to them, 1/4000 top shutter speed and flash sync only 1/200, No AF-on button, body style.
This is more like D620, upgrade from D600/D610 to D750.

+1
This camera will kill the sales of the newly announced D610, which killed the newly announced D600 few months earlier. It's a good competitor to the 6D though, and I hope Canon's 6D Mark II will have a real focusing system, not that desperate 1 cross type point one.

I'm not sure that makes much sense. the price difference is huge for the market the 610 goes after. You can buy the 610 and one of the many choices of the excellently supplied nikon f/1.8 affordable prime set for less and be happy for less. This is for the D700 guy who never upgraded to the 800 series due to low fps. And remember the 610 didn't kill the 600. Nikon killed the 600 to get rid of the bad rep of a QA fiasco.

plus if you're coming from APSC and don't own any full frame glass the price of the 750+lens starts to be an issue specially if you really don't need the 750s semi-pro features.

 

[joejohnbear]

It has DR, which is great, but it doesn't have high (8+) frame rate, pro controls, 1/8000 shutter or a crop sensor for magnification. They are very different product segments.

This is the kind of camera that makes people change systems.

It certainly seems to have a lot of the things people wanted on the 7D II...like built in WiFi and a good AF system. Frame rate is very competitive with the 5D III.

 

[joejohnbear]

Shooting 1000+ 36mp images for a wedding has never been ideal, but I would use a D810 if I stuck with Nikon. My choice was D800 or 5d Mk iii, and the D800 was out of stock at the time and had some problems for my workflow at that momebt, so I went that way. You're shooting at f4, so it wouldn't be an issue for you. I shoot at f/1.2 a lot, so 1/4000 would be incredibly annoying as an arbitrary restriction on the D620. I would not use the D810 crop mode for weddings or the sraw mode now that I've spent a few grand upgrading my computer hardware and backup system.

It has DR, which is great, but it doesn't have high (8+) frame rate, pro controls, 1/8000 shutter or a crop sensor for magnification. They are very different product segments.

Maybe. I picked up a 5D III in large part for my bird photography. It doesn't have the 8fps of the 7D, but the 7D had some issues with it's AF system, so it is effectively a wash in terms of keepers. I am not dissatisfied with 6fps, and I'd be happier with 6.5fps. And that's for action shooting. I rarely have the opportunity to shoot at 1/8000th anyway...but that really ultimately depends on the amount of light.

If you do need/want the pro features, then the D810 is there as well, which was significantly improved recently. It's a bit more painful on the FPS side of things, although with their cropping modes, that can be alleviated by a jump to 7fps. In a lot of cases, your going to be cropping FF shots for birds anyway, so the ability to crop in camera and get the frame rate boost, especially for BIF, is pretty nice.

I think it ultimately depends on the budget...but I think either the D750 or the D810 could fill most of the role of a 5D III for action, and neither is going to have any problems for landscapes and other higher DR photography.

 

[x-vision]

7DII and D750 are way different markets.

The D750 went straight to #1 on Amazon today, right after the announcement:
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-DSLR-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/3017941/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_3_281052

It would be interesting where the 7DII will land on Monday/Tuesday after it gets announced.
I have my doubts that it will reach #1. We'll see.

 

[RLPhoto]

This is the d700s real successor. Nikon wedding and event shooters will flock to it and it's the equivalent of the 5D3 2 years late.

 

[Richard8971]

Looks like a pretty sweet camera, especially for the price.

My wife though, won't give up her D7100. She loves that camera WAY too much to switch.

D

 

[RGomezPhotos]

I am very impressed with the Nikon D750. Yes, I believe this is a camera that could trigger a person to switch platforms. The thought ran through my mind for sure.

Positives: FF, Built-In WiFi, Dual SD card slots, Good AF, 24+ MP Sensor, 6.3fps
Negatives: 1/4000 shutter speed limit, Weather Sealing?
Neutral: Articulating Screen, Built-In Flash, ISO

This camera is going to be directly compared with the 5D MKIII as I think they are targeted for the same segment: Great all-around camera. The 7D MKII is a sports-shooter camera and APS-C. No comparison.

The 1/4000 shutter speed limit doesn't bother me. I checked my Lightroom database and found that shooting above 1/4000 represent .3% of all my images. Weather-sealing isn't a huge issue either. I simply don't expose my camera to elements that warrant it.

I did a couple of shoots lately which reminded me of how useful an articulating screen can be. Getting on the ground and using Live View without it is difficult. Using an articulating screen would be an enormous help and is enough for me instead of using a tablet and WiFi.

There are so many ways I can use this camera. I love my Canon 50D for it's speed and weight. I love the 5D MKII for it's FF sensor and color IQ. But they both have bad AF which is useful for events and sports photography I do. The fps equals my 50D which I find sufficient for sports. The sensor should be more than adequate for my fashion and portrait work. I love similar card dual memory slots. And at big events where there might be WiFi.. Uploading images in real-time and having someone edit and posting images in real-time?

All for under $2300.

The 5D MKIII wasn't enough for me. It's too expensive for what I get over the 5D MKII: AF & ISO No dual CF or SD slots and WiFi was a deal-breaker.

I think most of us would agree that the 5D MKIV is right around the corner. I'm going to wait to see what that looks like. If the MKIV has the features listed, I'm good and will go with that. I love the ergonomics and UI of Canon cameras. Not to mention the lenses and accessories available.

The only reason I really want a 1DX is that it can do everything I want to do. Unfortunately, even that doesn't have built-in WiFi and it's a $400 attachment. And that attachment looks like it may get in the way when shooting in portrait mode.

The Nikon gives me 85% of what I want from the 1DX. Buying a battery grip is a $400 option which then gets me up to 95%. I can certainly live without the crazy ISO and speed of the 1DX. At 40% of the price of the 1DX especially.

With the Nikon D750, it would certainly motivate me to eventually get a Nikon D810. Which is a superior fashion/portrait camera to anything Canon has right now. If the ergonomics are decent, I could live with the lesser UI from Nikon.

I'm going to try not buying any new Canon specific gear until I see the new cameras from Canon. Hopefully that should happen by early 2015.

 

[Richard8971]

I am very impressed with the Nikon D750. Yes, I believe this is a camera that could trigger a person to switch platforms. The thought ran through my mind for sure.

Positives: FF, Built-In WiFi, Dual SD card slots, Good AF, 24+ MP Sensor, 6.3fps
Negatives: 1/4000 shutter speed limit, Weather Sealing?
Neutral: Articulating Screen, Built-In Flash, ISO

This camera is going to be directly compared with the 5D MKIII as I think they are targeted for the same segment: Great all-around camera. The 7D MKII is a sports-shooter camera and APS-C. No comparison.

The 1/4000 shutter speed limit doesn't bother me. I checked my Lightroom database and found that shooting above 1/4000 represent .3% of all my images. Weather-sealing isn't a huge issue either. I simply don't expose my camera to elements that warrant it.

I did a couple of shoots lately which reminded me of how useful an articulating screen can be. Getting on the ground and using Live View without it is difficult. Using an articulating screen would be an enormous help and is enough for me instead of using a tablet and WiFi.

There are so many ways I can use this camera. I love my Canon 50D for it's speed and weight. I love the 5D MKII for it's FF sensor and color IQ. But they both have bad AF which is useful for events and sports photography I do. The fps equals my 50D which I find sufficient for sports. The sensor should be more than adequate for my fashion and portrait work. I love similar card dual memory slots. And at big events where there might be WiFi.. Uploading images in real-time and having someone edit and posting images in real-time?

All for under $2300.

The 5D MKIII wasn't enough for me. It's too expensive for what I get over the 5D MKII: AF & ISO No dual CF or SD slots and WiFi was a deal-breaker.

I think most of us would agree that the 5D MKIV is right around the corner. I'm going to wait to see what that looks like. If the MKIV has the features listed, I'm good and will go with that. I love the ergonomics and UI of Canon cameras. Not to mention the lenses and accessories available.

The only reason I really want a 1DX is that it can do everything I want to do. Unfortunately, even that doesn't have built-in WiFi and it's a $400 attachment. And that attachment looks like it may get in the way when shooting in portrait mode.

The Nikon gives me 85% of what I want from the 1DX. Buying a battery grip is a $400 option which then gets me up to 95%. I can certainly live without the crazy ISO and speed of the 1DX. At 40% of the price of the 1DX especially.

With the Nikon D750, it would certainly motivate me to eventually get a Nikon D810. Which is a superior fashion/portrait camera to anything Canon has right now. If the ergonomics are decent, I could live with the lesser UI from Nikon.

I'm going to try not buying any new Canon specific gear until I see the new cameras from Canon. Hopefully that should happen by early 2015.

I can only hope the buffer can handle a decent amount of photos in RAW. I LOVE my wife's D7100 but the buffer is terrible. You only get 7-8 shots max in RAW...

I think Nikon has a winner with this new body though.

D

 

[jd7]

I am very impressed with the Nikon D750. Yes, I believe this is a camera that could trigger a person to switch platforms. The thought ran through my mind for sure.

Positives: FF, Built-In WiFi, Dual SD card slots, Good AF, 24+ MP Sensor, 6.3fps
Negatives: 1/4000 shutter speed limit, Weather Sealing?
Neutral: Articulating Screen, Built-In Flash, ISO

I'm not about to rush out and sell my Canon gear and switch, but I agree (at least on paper) the D750 does look like it might be a great camera for many people/purposes (not saying it will suit everyone, of course). I basically agree with your list of pros and cons, although I'd rate the articulating screen and the built-in flash as negatives if they compromise weather-sealing or durability (but do they?). I also have a question mark over the ergonomics. Looking at the screenshots of the D750, I am unconvinced about the ergonomics, but of course you really need to shoot with one before deciding about that.

I have to say I feel like Nikon has had a habit of making products with great specs but which (as far as I can tell from what I've read) in actual use often are no better than, and sometimes worse than, comparable offerings from Canon and others. (I'm not talking about the SoNikon sensors though - but there has been enough written about them already.) I guess we need to see how the D750 actually performs, but if the D750 lives up to its specs, I'd be pretty happy about it if I shot Nikon.

It will be interesting to see what the next round of full-frame cameras from Canon will bring.

Edit - just saw some posts above wondering about the D750's buffer. That's definitely something to find out more about!

 

[sagittariansrock]

They really don't. They've sold enough D800's and D810's to pro users and now they've crippled it enough so that it will only compete with (or rather replace) the consumer D610. They're using the D750 name to try to sweep the D600 sensor dust (and more importantly, their customer support screw-up) debacle under the rug.

Very nice specs, I am sure many people will love this camera.
Nikon should probably worry about cannibalization, though.

I think the D810 is still quite a bit at risk of cannibalization, especially due to the price difference.
D610 is the one I think will be most cannibalized, unless they lower the price substantially.
I agree with someone who said Sony has segmented its customers, unlike Nikon.
Let's think for a second: who will buy the D610 if they can pay a few hundred more for a D750?
I am more envious of the 20/1.8. I wish Canon made something like that...

 

[Aglet]

..Let's think for a second: who will buy the D610 if they can pay a few hundred more for a D750?
I am more envious of the 20/1.8. I wish Canon made something like that...

I agree, there's currently not a lot of price difference from 610 to 750
with the 750's intro price that low, the don't have much room to lower it w-o first lowering the MSRP of the 610... That could be a good thing for someone considering the latter.

As for the 20/1.8... I'm salivating just thinking about it.
I use an old AIS MF 20/2.8 and an AI 20/3.5 and they're both very good, the 3.5 being very compact and light.
it there's slightly better corner sharpness with lower CA in this new lens, it will be very welcome

 

[RGomezPhotos]

I am very impressed with the Nikon D750. Yes, I believe this is a camera that could trigger a person to switch platforms. The thought ran through my mind for sure.

Positives: FF, Built-In WiFi, Dual SD card slots, Good AF, 24+ MP Sensor, 6.3fps
Negatives: 1/4000 shutter speed limit, Weather Sealing?
Neutral: Articulating Screen, Built-In Flash, ISO

This camera is going to be directly compared with the 5D MKIII as I think they are targeted for the same segment: Great all-around camera. The 7D MKII is a sports-shooter camera and APS-C. No comparison.

The 1/4000 shutter speed limit doesn't bother me. I checked my Lightroom database and found that shooting above 1/4000 represent .3% of all my images. Weather-sealing isn't a huge issue either. I simply don't expose my camera to elements that warrant it.

I did a couple of shoots lately which reminded me of how useful an articulating screen can be. Getting on the ground and using Live View without it is difficult. Using an articulating screen would be an enormous help and is enough for me instead of using a tablet and WiFi.

There are so many ways I can use this camera. I love my Canon 50D for it's speed and weight. I love the 5D MKII for it's FF sensor and color IQ. But they both have bad AF which is useful for events and sports photography I do. The fps equals my 50D which I find sufficient for sports. The sensor should be more than adequate for my fashion and portrait work. I love similar card dual memory slots. And at big events where there might be WiFi.. Uploading images in real-time and having someone edit and posting images in real-time?

All for under $2300.

The 5D MKIII wasn't enough for me. It's too expensive for what I get over the 5D MKII: AF & ISO No dual CF or SD slots and WiFi was a deal-breaker.

I think most of us would agree that the 5D MKIV is right around the corner. I'm going to wait to see what that looks like. If the MKIV has the features listed, I'm good and will go with that. I love the ergonomics and UI of Canon cameras. Not to mention the lenses and accessories available.

The only reason I really want a 1DX is that it can do everything I want to do. Unfortunately, even that doesn't have built-in WiFi and it's a $400 attachment. And that attachment looks like it may get in the way when shooting in portrait mode.

The Nikon gives me 85% of what I want from the 1DX. Buying a battery grip is a $400 option which then gets me up to 95%. I can certainly live without the crazy ISO and speed of the 1DX. At 40% of the price of the 1DX especially.

With the Nikon D750, it would certainly motivate me to eventually get a Nikon D810. Which is a superior fashion/portrait camera to anything Canon has right now. If the ergonomics are decent, I could live with the lesser UI from Nikon.

I'm going to try not buying any new Canon specific gear until I see the new cameras from Canon. Hopefully that should happen by early 2015.

I can only hope the buffer can handle a decent amount of photos in RAW. I LOVE my wife's D7100 but the buffer is terrible. You only get 7-8 shots max in RAW...

I think Nikon has a winner with this new body though.

D

Buffer issues huh? Well, I shoot sports/action in JPG, so that might help if the buffer is limited. If it could get up to 12 shots before slowing down, I'd be totally fine with that. I hope the camera doesn't completely stop when the buffer is full. That's just awful!!