Nikon D610 yes D600 minor upgrade!
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dilbert said:
So says Rob Galbraith... who has since then retired into anonymity.
Also, Canon at least had the courage to own up to the problem. Nikon, on the other hand, has never really fessed up to their issues.
"The sad thing is that this isn't the first time Nikon's been unable to fess up to a problem. This is now endemic with them. As Michael Johnston at Online Photographer points out, this sort of problem denial goes way back into the film days for Nikon..." - http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/the-early-nikon-d610-headli.html (Thom Hogan, a loyal Nikon supporter)
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dilbert said:
Well it kinda depends, the whole situation was a mess and there is no denying some cameras did suffer some AF issues in some situations, however, there are an awful lot of people who used and still use the 1D MkIII and have never had AF issues, that was the thing that took so much fixing. A noticeable issue across every camera is comparatively easy to fix, a consistent issue among some cameras is also a relatively easy forensic diagnosis and repair, but an inconsistent issue among some cameras is devilishly difficult to fix. And it isn't like Canon didn't try.
Canon sent a team of technicians to Canada to work with Galbraith because they couldn't get repeatable results that matched Galbraith's in Japan, they spent a lot of time money and effort trying to get consistency in the failure and even Galbraith himself admitted they had done so much testing they believed they had lost sight of any issue and were going in circles. Canon lost hope in his methodology and recalled their team, he kept badmouthing them and lost a lot of goodwill from Canon (as did Andy Rouse in the UK, who very publicly trashed Canon and moved to Nikon, subsequently he used the 1Dx and MkII teles and is a Canon shooter again, but he didn't get involved in the politics this time and made his swap with a much lower profile), of course Galbraith did what so many people who upset the statu quo do, he sidestepped his profession and became a teacher.
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dilbert said:
It was all Galbraith's writing on his own site, it is conspicuously absent from the 1D MkIII chronology you link to though. On rereading his posts it seems several situations have been "revised".
I was particularly interested in the situation at the time with respect to the 1Ds MkIII AF and followed everything written very closely, I had his RSS until he gave it up last year. I subsequently bought into the 1Ds MkIII and although I rarely use Servo AF I am very happy with the camera. It is certainly vastly better than the other FF option at the time, the 5D !
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dilbert said:
You'll need to comb through Rob Galbraith's website: his long series of articles on 1D Mark III AF, various preludes to aforementioned articles as well as his criticism of Canon's offerings after the 1D Mark III. The info is all there.
Ultimately, like what others have pointed out, why do you think Rob Galbraith finally had to quit his job?
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I don't know how it came to 1D3... anyway, back to the topic...
We should wait and see what this D610 actually is offering over the D600.
If it's a considerable improvement (of sorts, because the spec sheet is very much the same) then I'd be a bit annoyed as an owner of a D600. Not because this D610 takes anything away from mine, but because I couldn't help thinking that it is what the D600 was supposed to be to begin with.
Otherwise it's a marketing trick to clean up the reputation of the D600. It's disputable to claim that Nikon didn't acknowledge the problem: in fact they did, and anyway we will never know what is the % of affected cameras over the total. As such, the D610 might not be aimed at solving a real problem but only a perceived problem that is keeping buyers on the fence. My D600 never had oil issues and I'm now approaching 5K shots.
We should wait and see what this D610 actually is offering over the D600.
If it's a considerable improvement (of sorts, because the spec sheet is very much the same) then I'd be a bit annoyed as an owner of a D600. Not because this D610 takes anything away from mine, but because I couldn't help thinking that it is what the D600 was supposed to be to begin with.
Otherwise it's a marketing trick to clean up the reputation of the D600. It's disputable to claim that Nikon didn't acknowledge the problem: in fact they did, and anyway we will never know what is the % of affected cameras over the total. As such, the D610 might not be aimed at solving a real problem but only a perceived problem that is keeping buyers on the fence. My D600 never had oil issues and I'm now approaching 5K shots.
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Hi,
Have a nice day.
It's not a response to 6D... we all know it's a response to D600...dgatwood said:GMCPhotographics said:
If it were a response to the 6D, it would have *** and Wi-Fi. Unless by that, you mean it's a response to the 6D not flinging oil all over the sensor.
Have a nice day.
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weixing said:It's not a response to 6D... we all know it's a response to D600...dgatwood said:If it were a response to the 6D, it would have *** and Wi-Fi. Unless by that, you mean it's a response to the 6D not flinging oil all over the sensor.GMCPhotographics said:
... as was the 6d, Canon would have never released it without the pressure from Nikon.
We could (or rather not start) to argue Canon vs. Nikon systems and specs vs. reality all day long, but from what I've seen Nikon's updated camera leaves very little to be desired and the trolling level of some of the posts above proves that Canon die hards are at a loss to find any real arguments :-o
RGB metering, silent shutter, 100% viewfinder, 6fps, f8 autofocus, 39 af points, 24mp ff for under $2000, oh my, this is throwing down the gauntlet.
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As someone else mentioned, Nikon should take note of the Canon 5D3 nearly soundless shutter setting. Very nice indeed. Nikon should also look at the sensor locations on the D600 and D610 as just taking such a small part of the viewfinder that moving the focus selection just doesn't make that much difference. I don't own either camera but a good shooting friend lends me his D600 and the location of the sensors is quite noticeable. Look at the D7100 - all the way different. They did the sensor locations in the viewfinder just right -- almost all the way to the edge. I like the number of sensors on the 5D3 but I get very annoyed at the lack of auto sensor movement when you are trying to move the sensor selection from one side (or top to bottom) to the other. Nikon does much better in this department. I think that Canon has so many xxD cameras with so few sensors that this hasn't been a problem before the 5D3 but now with 61 sensors Canon needs to look at the Nikon implementation.
In fact, that is what I'm hoping from both Camera companies. I hope they look at whatever really works regardless of company and if they can duplicate the functionality or improve it someway without patent infringement, they should.
In fact, that is what I'm hoping from both Camera companies. I hope they look at whatever really works regardless of company and if they can duplicate the functionality or improve it someway without patent infringement, they should.
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Marsu42 said:
True, it seems to be positioned just behind the 5D Mark-III. In South Africa it was launched for R31,000 (body only); which was about $2885, almost as much as the 5D-III which was about R34,000 until the massive new year increases.
The fact that so many perceive it as a "D600 fixed" leaves a bad taste in the mouth. On paper at least they have spec'ed the D610 as a low cost competitor to the 5D Mark-III, but Nikon should really have used the opportunity to improve ergonomics as well. That perhaps could have justified a new product release. As a general purpose camera I can't see myself shooting with it whole day, even my 60D/6D (despite being close in size) are more comfortable to use with my ave average-sized hands. I don't know, perhaps it still sells well in other regions where potential buyers might have smaller hands.
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Marsu42 said:weixing said:It's not a response to 6D... we all know it's a response to D600...dgatwood said:If it were a response to the 6D, it would have *** and Wi-Fi. Unless by that, you mean it's a response to the 6D not flinging oil all over the sensor.GMCPhotographics said:
... as was the 6d, Canon would have never released it without the pressure from Nikon.
We could (or rather not start) to argue Canon vs. Nikon systems and specs vs. reality all day long, but from what I've seen Nikon's updated camera leaves very little to be desired and the trolling level of some of the posts above proves that Canon die hards are at a loss to find any real arguments :-o
RGB metering, silent shutter, 100% viewfinder, 6fps, f8 autofocus, 39 af points, 24mp ff for under $2000, oh my, this is throwing down the gauntlet.
I remember reading an interview with Canon's DSLR director from a few years back (he was a newly appointed exec at the time). He talked about the need to unify the 1D series into a single camera and splitting the 5D into two models for two markets. One would be pro-ed up and the other consumered down. So on hind sight, the 1Dx / 5DIII and 6D are the products of his direction as opposed to any marketing / product pressure from Canon. It's quite clear that Nikon tried to splice into Canon's range and not the other way round. So the D700 was sitting in the gap between the 5D and 1Ds III.
lets face it, the 5DIII really is the 3D we all wanted and then some. Sure 35mp would have been nice, but the current camera is easily the most versatile from any camera manufacturer to date and is a PJ / wedding photographer's wet dream.
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