Nikon Releases Z 800mm at 1/3 Cost of Canon’s

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Are you talking about Super telephotos like the 600mm, as in Canada where I live I know a lot, yes a lot of Sony owners with 600mm and many with the Sony 200-600

As a 40+ year Canon user, I can't see the difference when looking at an image if it was taken by a Sony, a Nikon or a Canon super telephoto. LOL
I am sure Sony users exist out there, but I had to hunt one down. Out of the hundreds of shooters I know, it took a lot of effort to find someone with a Sony. This is regardless of if they are wildlife, wedding, or events shooters. The most common wedding kit I see are Nikon Z6, D850 or Canon 5D iii/iv with the odd R6.
 
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Unless people actually vote with their wallets and not just ‘on paper’, Canon won’t care. Nor should they.

My guess is that most people who post something like this:

…are irrelevant because they don’t have even the price of the Nikon 800/6.3, much less the price of the RF 800/5.6, to spend on camera gear.
How sympathatic ;-). And I didn´t know that you know my finances better than I do.
 
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In India its quite opposite, Canon prices are on par with USD or sometimes even lower(after adjusting for taxes). I thinks more of Canon UK or UK itself who might be at fault.
Sadly, Canon Japan is more expensive than the USA, and while not as expensive as Canon Europe, sits between them despite much of the production being done here, and the company being founded and headquartered here. It used to be the opposite. But as with all things global, the home people are hit the hardest as the company focuses outward.
 
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$6.5k 800mm f/6.3 at less than 2.39kg. Making this weighing at the middle of a EF300/2.8 IS II & EF200/2.0 IS

It's (1) 1/3rd the cost at (2) 1/3rd slower f-stop at (3) 1/2 the weight of faster 800mm lenses.

Front element is equivalent to a 500/4.0

With ISO improvements of 2020s mirrorless bodies makes the 1/3rd stop slower largely a non-issue.

What's more, if Nikon have come up with a new way to manufacture the big tele zooms that doesn't compromise on IQ, then the 800/6.3 is just the first, a shot over the bow so to speak.

If Nikon can deliver the same for 300mm, 400mm, 500mm and 600mm, all at similar cost savings to the photographer, they're going to become a very popular camera manufacturer.

Who's up for a 300/3.2 that's 1/3 of the price of a 300/2.8 but has similar IQ?
 
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Cheap because it a PF lense and most likely a lot of plastic molded on to the glass. However Nikon's PF lenses have traditionally come with a great deal of lens flare that had to be dealt with using work arounds. You get what you pay for. If you can deal with lens flare, go for it. Its a deal breaker for many.

Are you saying that Michael Bay will love these lenses? :D
 
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Yet I've still to meet more than one Sony user. I have met one out of hundreds of photographers and that needed me to actively hunt one down to try out the Sony A1. The numbers of big lens shooters are still 60-40 or maybe 70-30 Canon to Nikon.
Internet forums are full of Sony users, and some of them the very best bird photographers around. But, like you, I hardly ever see one on my regular birding outings, less than 1%, and see similar ratios to you of about 70:30 or 80:20 Canon to Nikon. And most of them have 100-400 Canons or 150-600 Sigmas or Tamrons. Maybe, we just live in a poor part of the world, and it's a different balance in the USA and Canada. The 500 PF is popular with the Nikon crowd, and despite what jam05 writes, a damn good lens.
 
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What's more, if Nikon have come up with a new way to manufacture the big tele zooms that doesn't compromise on IQ, then the 800/6.3 is just the first, a shot over the bow so to speak.

If Nikon can deliver the same for 300mm, 400mm, 500mm and 600mm, all at similar cost savings to the photographer, they're going to become a very popular camera manufacturer.

Who's up for a 300/3.2 that's 1/3 of the price of a 300/2.8 but has similar IQ?
I saw 1 screen shot of that Z 800mm lens being "Made in China".

I am confident that the lens will be up to Nikon Japan quality standards.

But my dream long fast lens would be one with built-in 1.4x & 2.0x TC
 
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No, it's Canon EU. Canon UK aplogised to me (as I have posted previously a couple of times) that they charge what Canon EU dictates.
Why are they more expensive in the UK than in (many) EU countries, then?

Comparing to Finland, I find that UK prices are usually 10-15% higher (excluding taxes). And Finland is not generally cheap compared to, for example, Germany.

Of course USA is much cheaper still.
 
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Why are they more expensive in the UK than in (many) EU countries, then?

Comparing to Finland, I find that UK prices are usually 10-15% higher (excluding taxes). And Finland is not generally cheap compared to, for example, Germany.

Of course USA is much cheaper still.
Because Canon Europe charges us 11% more to make more money. They have to charge the same price in every EU country. Norway is also charged more, I believe from our members.
 
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Sadly, the light weight of the new Nikon 800mm is offset by the excessively heavy Z9. The Canon R3 is a brilliantly light weight pro-body. Canon's new 800mm and 1200mm lenses are sad jokes.
If 1340g is excessive then I'm interested to know your description of belly fat?
 
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There’s zero evidence Canon is in any sort of trouble. They currently dominate the ILC market, Sony is second, Nikon is well back in third.


How many people is ‘so many’? Also, ‘thinking about getting’ something is meaningless. Car forums are full of people ‘thinking about getting’ Ferraris and Porsches. Mostly, they dream and specurbate and if they buy anything, it’s a Toyota or a Ford.


Do you think a lot of sports photographers, like those shooting soccer games, are using 800mm lenses?

Regardless, thanks for supporting my point, even though I know that wasn’t your intent. Budgets are tight and the professional photography market is suffering. That means current pro photographers, who already have gear they’re using, are much less likely to buy any expensive new lenses, whether they cost $6K or $16K. New photographers, those who would need to buy expensive lenses, are less likely to jump into a shrinking profession that’s rapidly becoming less lucrative.

Overall, that means fewer lens sales, not more.
No, not too many sports photographers are shooting 800.
But Nikon's 400 2.8 with built in TC is the thing needed for sports (and wildlife).
It will sell by far better than the Canon 800 & 1200 combined.
- And Nikon will sell a very nice number of the 800 PF on top.
 
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In case you didn't know, Finland is in the EU. So is Germany.
I wrote they charge the same in every EU country. In case you didn't understand that, that is why they charge the same in Germany and Finland. They charge us and Norway more because we are not in the EU, or perhaps you didn't know that.

Because Canon Europe charges us 11% more to make more money. They have to charge the same price in every EU country. Norway is also charged more, I believe from our members.
 
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If 1340g is excessive then I'm interested to know your description of belly fat?
He probably doesn't add 600g of belly fat on top of his camera and hold it at eye level. Seriously, some people can hand hold a 600mm f/4 with ease, and most of us don't notice an extra 600g in a back pack, but for some of us, an extra few 100g held at arms length is too much.
 
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You could have gone for the EF 200-400 F/4 with a built in teleconverter. Not an RF lens, so what!
I use the 200-400 since years now.
A very impressive lens with top IQ.

But this lens is very heavy - and it is 400 f4. I would like to go 2.8 for the next step.
There is no Canon option so far, but a Nikon option.
 
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I saw 1 screen shot of that Z 800mm lens being "Made in China".

I am confident that the lens will be up to Nikon Japan quality standards.

But my dream long fast lens would be one with built-in 1.4x & 2.0x TC
Forget the 2x, but the built in 1.4x is more than great (after enjoying shooting EF 200-400 with internal switchable extender for half a decade now.
 
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I saw 1 screen shot of that Z 800mm lens being "Made in China".

I am confident that the lens will be up to Nikon Japan quality standards.

But my dream long fast lens would be one with built-in 1.4x & 2.0x TC
It is made to Nikon's specs so I don't care if it is hand crafted in Japan by seasoned experts or on a fully automated production line in Thailand or China. Only the 400 f/2.8 TC Z lens is built in Japan just now.. but all the other Z lenses are much better than their F counterparts and mostly made in Thailand with one or two in China.
 
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There’s zero evidence Canon is in any sort of trouble. They currently dominate the ILC market, Sony is second, Nikon is well back in third.
Well, sales statistics are about sales which have already been made. True, Canon is doing well and according to their "read of the statistic" they are No. 1 although Sony claims they are No. 1. So, number they are not in trouble (yet)

But anybody, who is not blindly brand loyal boarding on stupidity and who just a tini tiny bit familiar with business psychology and the camera industry, will see that Nikons pricing will put a lot of pressure on canon. And with a price point difference which is so big that it will allow people top buy into Nikon Z-mount with a flagship camera and two lenses (one at least top-tier caliber; don't know about the 800mm yet) AND save money compared to Canons offering, it would be pretty naiv to think that it won't pressure Canon. Canon has to be extremely cautions how they are going about this or they'll lose customers. So far, their RF pricing has been to put a 40% (and more) markup on everything...
How many people is ‘so many’? Also, ‘thinking about getting’ something is meaningless. Car forums are full of people ‘thinking about getting’ Ferraris and Porsches. Mostly, they dream and specurbate and if they buy anything, it’s a Toyota or a Ford.
Well, I honestly didn't count. Camera forums not only visited by dreamers who state "XY is my dream lense", also by serious photographers. There are a few German website were actually show their business in their profile such as wedding photographers and such. And they do think about their equipment/ future acquisitions and such.

And hey, there actually are a lot of "dreamers" who buy a Porsche one day. Ever heard of mid-life crises purchases or people pursuing a life-long dream to get product XYZ...

Do you think a lot of sports photographers, like those shooting soccer games, are using 800mm lenses?
Nope, I don't think that. My point was meant to be different and I didn't explain it correctly. My mistake.
What I meant was: Even pro soccer photographers think about budget constraints ALL the time and don't spent extra if they find a cheaper, almost equivalent option. I only chose soccer to illustrate this as an example because it is the sport with the most money involved. Due to worldwide press articles and photos been published everyday and everywhere, you can earn a lot more money than for example shooting pics at a Handball Game in Germany.
Regardless, thanks for supporting my point, even though I know that wasn’t your intent. Budgets are tight and the professional photography market is suffering. That means current pro photographers, who already have gear they’re using, are much less likely to buy any expensive new lenses, whether they cost $6K or $16K.
This is were we disagree:
If you say that pro photographers are less likely to "buy any expensive" new lense, it actually does mean as well: And if they do, it'll be the $6K lense...

And as you stated: the market (and income) is suffering, photographers are holding on to their longer as usual. These facts will drive photographer in getting the 6K Nikon lense instead of Canons offering. In fact, it will means: every company will sell fewer lenses, but Canon sales will be hurt the most given the extreme price difference...
 
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I wonder how many ever bought the EF 800mm f/5.6? @dolina on CR has one but I've forgotten or missed who else has. It has been pretty much a niche lens for a few real experts. Maybe it was because of the serious pricing and Nikon will make it much more popular. But, it is still a fairly specialised focal length.
 
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