Nikon's 2.300$ D750 said to best 5DIII
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neuroanatomist said:
It is important to get criticism from people you respect, not necessarly people who post on an Internets Tubes Forum.
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AcutancePhotography said:neuroanatomist said:
It is important to get criticism from people you respect, not necessarly people who post on an Internets Tubes Forum.
Indeed. There are people on CR forums whom I respect (although that doesn't include dilbert, it's difficult to respect anyone with such an inadequate grasp of basic facts).
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dilbert said:neuroanatomist said:AcutancePhotography said:neuroanatomist said:
It is important to get criticism from people you respect, not necessarly people who post on an Internets Tubes Forum.
Indeed. There are people on CR forums whom I respect (although that doesn't include dilbert, it's difficult to respect anyone with such an inadequate grasp of basic facts).
Will you stop being a troll, please?
Pretty please with a cherry on top?
What did I say that is incorrect? There are people on CR forums whom I respect. You aren't among them. You have repeatedly shown a poor grasp of facts, and a refusal to admit your mistakes.
Something else you've repeatedly shown is that if there's a troll here, it's you, dilbert.
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dilbert said:
They put the camera on the tripod and ballhead. Poor choice of equipment and set-up - the is the USER'S error.
{EDIT}
And thank you for making my point.
Selecting the WRONG equipment for the job is the PHOTOGRAPHERS issue. not the camera, not the ballhead, not the tripod.
You admitted that the weight was too great in another post. That is not the Ballhead's fault.
{Cough} CHOKE {Ack}
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neuroanatomist said:
Nice try. However, you forgot what happened. You made the claim that the 5DIII had a better AF system. I never made the other claim. However, I provided 4 quotes supporting that reviews did not. You failed to provide any evidence at all for your original claim -and admitted as much (after being challenged repeatedly to give any evidence that 5DIII has a better AF system than the d810.
I'd be happy to produce a full rehash of your original claim and your failure to back it up at any time + you admitting that you could not.
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Maiaibing said:
We can start with your implication that you were providing evidence, the link I reposted was mainly a comparison of the specifications, and they described the advantages of the 5DIII's AF in their conclusion (and the 5DIII is superior on that basis). Another piece of your evidence was Northrup's sales pitch, where he barely achieved a 60% Servo hit rate with the 5DIII on a subject walking sedately toward him, which is either extreme incompetence or reprehensible bias. A third was Ken Rockwell ('nuf said). Your 'evidence' was inconclusive and equivocal, which is almost worse than no evidence at all.
As I stated, my intention wasn't to document my results. I didn't save images, and you're free to not accept my word. But rehash further if you like...
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dilbert said:
1. "why not lend your expertise into explaining how it all eventuated": if you want, submit 5 of your new images here, i will make sure that your images will be evaluated by a group of people that most members here know. or you want to use your existing images on CR? however, a bonehead person like you will never sit down and learn, instead go around and talk crap.
note: thought that i need to say it again... "do not go out and steal images and claim it yours since i might know..."
2. "jumped in and attacked me": i attack you more than him. why? i simply do not like the way you are talking for years, same topic, same tones with same troll attitude... as simple as that....
3. "Are you all proud of yourselves?": i am not sure about him, but like i have said in the past, i am proud of mine, not over anyone else, but over your images. why? cause you have been using dslr much much longer than i do, but your images are still suck.
note: keep trolling, i reserve for you the whole day today even i am at work... see how nice i am... lol
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dilbert said:
You are a person (singular), not people (plural). On the subject of trolls sowing discord, let's look at a couple of topics you've started:
Can Canon deliver a FF sensor that is class leading? (As if you didn't know where that would lead...)
Sony, Samsung Dominating Digital Camera Market while Canon, Nikon Struggle (About a tiny advantage for the first two in one small country.)
Why do we buy Canon? What idiots are we? (A thread which was soon locked.)
Now...who's the troll? :
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dilbert said:
Just more gratuitous Canon-bashing from you. You make this stuff up out of thin air? High ISO was improved significantly — not a "small improvement" — enough that a working photographer easily gained a full stop of high ISO usability. 478 points on DxO's low light score is "small"? "Nothing was done to alleviate banding"? What banding? I've shot over 200k exposures with the 5D3 without any banding. What the heck are you doing to see banding?
Reviews of the 5D3 were very positive. Where do you get that it compared "so poorly" with other cameras? Reviews by actual users are overwhelmingly positive.
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dilbert said:
Did you ever READ any of the posts / highlighted / referrenced in your links:
Like:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1157744
Notice that a lot of the "Discussion / Reports" are pre-production i.e. the same sort of "first look" images people are talking about with the 7D MK II and a lot of the issues were "showing" up when they were pushing upwards of 7-stops of under exposure.
Also note from the thread - post #98.
NIKONS have the same issue with the D3S, D700, D7000... If you push your images 7 stops or high iso, you will see aritfacts, banding ect... People just love to hate on the 5D's
http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00Zo0M
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=40126428
http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00Xtik
http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00ZMgI
http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00TTdv
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OH MY F&*(&*()&*&*() GOD - NIKON HAS BANDING
NIKON HAS BANDING...
Holy CRAP.... NIKON HAS BANDING
What will fan boys do???
How can I possibly shoot... I only shoot underexposing and then pushing the highlights...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Nikon+D800+banding+issue
LOL
There is even a Flickr group for the "HORRIBLE" D800 Color Banding issue:
Flickr: Discussing D800 horrible colour banding issue ...
https://www.flickr.com/groups/1567431@N22/.../72157632675750269/
Feb 3, 2013 - This is a group for all things related to the amazing new Nikon D800, ... D800 horrible colour banding issue *Photos and videos included* ...
Again... The more you talk, the more you make our points...
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dilbert said:
i am not interested in that, but this lol:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Dilbert%2C+you+bonehead%22&hl=en&gbv=2&oq=&gs_l=
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And to think this all started because Maiaibing posted a link of a review where someone stated their opinion
This is why I love CR! ;D
you don't want to read, but somehow you are compelled to.
People arguing about who is a troll
"You are a troll!"
"Oh Yeah, well, you are a troll!!"
"Well, you were a troll first!!!"
"You were more of a troll!!!!!"
Makes me feel like I am back home with my kids. ;D
Mods ain't it time to close this thread? We have gotten so far off topic.
Maiaibing said:
This is why I love CR! ;D
you don't want to read, but somehow you are compelled to.
People arguing about who is a troll
"You are a troll!"
"Oh Yeah, well, you are a troll!!"
"Well, you were a troll first!!!"
"You were more of a troll!!!!!"
Makes me feel like I am back home with my kids. ;D
Mods ain't it time to close this thread? We have gotten so far off topic.
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It looks like the D750 has hit a sweet spot in performance, size and price for many amateurs and pros. Well done to Nikon, but this does not mean anyone should be unhappy with the 5D III if it does what they need it to.
However, this does depend on what you shoot and how you work. Some of the DR obsessives could not take a good photo to save their lives, but some of the Canon fanboys are no different. As a long-time Canon user and owner of an A7 and A7R, I am weary of people trying to tell me that the only reason why 'people like me' are eager for Canon to improve banding issues and DR can only be because I cannot expose properly. I pity those making such comments for they inhabit a delusional world.
Most of the time the 5D III is all the camera I would ever see myself needing, but when you hit the wall with respect to banding and DR, then it is a pain in the butt. I would not have invested in Nik Dfine for no reason. It is because it allowed me to get numerous prints into portfolios, exhibition and sold. This is fact and no amount of bleating from those twits harping on about how 11.7 stop of DR is all you will ever need changes that.
If Canon sorts out the banding with the 5D IV and perhaps increases DR to 13+ stops, I think they will have pretty well all the bases covered, but I have a feeling they won't. I'm not sure they are ready.
The 5D III remains great and I have no intention of selling up now, but if the 5D IV does not make significant leaps in DR and banding then I will. Why? Because I want to be able to work in the same way with all my cameras as I can the A7 and A7R. It has been such a pleasure to work on the files. I have a far greater safety net with respect to DR, there is no banding to speak of and don't have to mess around with Dfine with tricky images that pushed the 5D III too far.
If you shoot city nightscapes in London, for example, the banding and DR of the 5D III will be acutely felt in perhaps 50% of sessions, precise subject depending. This is a fact and it has nothing whatsoever to do with exposure deficiencies. A good friend standing next to me shooting the same scenes had fantastic files to play with from his D600, where mine needed far more expertise and time to work on (exposure blending etc). Some were only fit for the trash. Think moonlit evenings over the Thames, with deep shade, artificial light sources etc. Sure this is testing stuff, but its real and what I need to shoot!
A few months ago, your choice was either a flawed D800 or a D600/610 with either oil on the sensor or crappy AF, build etc. Now, well, Nikon have two very refined products that will tackle extreme brightness range subjects better than a 5D III. Noticeably better. Less stress better. Better print better. And without the flaws of their predecessors. So lets not pretend it is not the case....
Canon's 5D IV will impress, but I am not convinced it will match the Nikons for DR or banding. If it closes the gap half way, that will probably be enough for most of us and I will be darned confident that the 5D IV will be more 'finished', tougher, more reliable and a truly outstanding camera in every other parameter. Canon still leads the way in terms of producing 'sorted cameras' for sure.
The D750 is a great success, assuming it is has no gremlins lurking for the consumers. Knocking it will achieve nothing.
However, this does depend on what you shoot and how you work. Some of the DR obsessives could not take a good photo to save their lives, but some of the Canon fanboys are no different. As a long-time Canon user and owner of an A7 and A7R, I am weary of people trying to tell me that the only reason why 'people like me' are eager for Canon to improve banding issues and DR can only be because I cannot expose properly. I pity those making such comments for they inhabit a delusional world.
Most of the time the 5D III is all the camera I would ever see myself needing, but when you hit the wall with respect to banding and DR, then it is a pain in the butt. I would not have invested in Nik Dfine for no reason. It is because it allowed me to get numerous prints into portfolios, exhibition and sold. This is fact and no amount of bleating from those twits harping on about how 11.7 stop of DR is all you will ever need changes that.
If Canon sorts out the banding with the 5D IV and perhaps increases DR to 13+ stops, I think they will have pretty well all the bases covered, but I have a feeling they won't. I'm not sure they are ready.
The 5D III remains great and I have no intention of selling up now, but if the 5D IV does not make significant leaps in DR and banding then I will. Why? Because I want to be able to work in the same way with all my cameras as I can the A7 and A7R. It has been such a pleasure to work on the files. I have a far greater safety net with respect to DR, there is no banding to speak of and don't have to mess around with Dfine with tricky images that pushed the 5D III too far.
If you shoot city nightscapes in London, for example, the banding and DR of the 5D III will be acutely felt in perhaps 50% of sessions, precise subject depending. This is a fact and it has nothing whatsoever to do with exposure deficiencies. A good friend standing next to me shooting the same scenes had fantastic files to play with from his D600, where mine needed far more expertise and time to work on (exposure blending etc). Some were only fit for the trash. Think moonlit evenings over the Thames, with deep shade, artificial light sources etc. Sure this is testing stuff, but its real and what I need to shoot!
A few months ago, your choice was either a flawed D800 or a D600/610 with either oil on the sensor or crappy AF, build etc. Now, well, Nikon have two very refined products that will tackle extreme brightness range subjects better than a 5D III. Noticeably better. Less stress better. Better print better. And without the flaws of their predecessors. So lets not pretend it is not the case....
Canon's 5D IV will impress, but I am not convinced it will match the Nikons for DR or banding. If it closes the gap half way, that will probably be enough for most of us and I will be darned confident that the 5D IV will be more 'finished', tougher, more reliable and a truly outstanding camera in every other parameter. Canon still leads the way in terms of producing 'sorted cameras' for sure.
The D750 is a great success, assuming it is has no gremlins lurking for the consumers. Knocking it will achieve nothing.
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AvTvM said:
Yeah, dilbert...that's good. I literally did L-O-L.
But just a warning...Sadly, not everyone will appreciate your sense of humor. For example, I posted a humorous depiction of Canon banding and Exmor perfection after a 10-stop push:
...and got this in response:
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dilbert said:
A Google search? Are you kidding? The DxO score alone disproves your point that Canon did "nothing". Case closed.
Now you reply with a link to a Google search for words like 5D3 + banding. You realize that you can plug ANY words in any language into Google and Google will respond with some links? And that proves exactly nothing. Of course, the first link I opened led to yet another example of gross pushing of underexposed photos. Predictable. Yes, user error gives banding. But that doesn't even pass the threshold for competence in photography.
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I disagree that Canon did nothing with the 5D III sensor. Read my earlier post if you think I have bias (I assure you I do not) but the DxO results do not marry up with my observations as a user of both cameras. IQ is better with the Mk III, from high ISO to reduced banding. Its not huge, but enough to notice pretty easily as an owner of both cameras. The Sony sensors, however, remain in a different league altogether.
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