No New 50mm Lens Coming in 2017 [CR2]

[crashpc]

There is a rumor that there will be 50mm prime lens for Canon M system. How about that?
50mm f/1.8 IS or f/1.4 w/o IS would do. Now I´m struggling without 50mm native prime...

 

[slclick]

You are a special thing lol! You started this thing by your pinching comment. Remember the comment bellow? Next time keep your craps within yourself. And yes I'm educated. Possibily more than you I'm an electrical engineer and a Dr. (not the kind who can help you tho lol). And why would I delete my account?! If you step on poop, do you cut your own leg?! lol

The above is like the forum equivalent of watching someone become so agitated that spittle flies from their foaming mouth as they rant. How sad.

I like how Doctor Rant used the photographic term 'bellow' instead of the word 'below'. But what do I know, I only have a Bachelor's.

 

[Loswr]

You are a special thing lol! You started this thing by your pinching comment. Remember the comment bellow? Next time keep your craps within yourself. And yes I'm educated. Possibily more than you I'm an electrical engineer and a Dr. (not the kind who can help you tho lol). And why would I delete my account?! If you step on poop, do you cut your own leg?! lol

The above is like the forum equivalent of watching someone become so agitated that spittle flies from their foaming mouth as they rant. How sad.

I like how Doctor Rant used the photographic term 'bellow' instead of the word 'below'. But what do I know, I only have a Bachelor's.

Lol. Or bellow as in to shout, which goes hand in hand with ranting.

A doctorate in electrical engineering, working as a wedding/portrait photographer? I wonder if that's because he's following his passion, which is admirable, or if it's a second (or worse, primary) job because he can't earn a sufficient wage in his chosen field, which is rather sad.

 

[ahsanford]

Sorry to disappoint and delay the popcorn folks -- I'm on vacation with my family and lack a computer + PS with which to artfully render how I feel right now.

But imagine a man shoving his head inside of his own butt. That would be me for waiting for the 50mm f/nooneknows IS USM for so long.

Or it might be Canon marketing/development staff for leaving this part of their lens portfolio to rot for so long.

- A

Also:

 

[YuengLinger]

Maybe the [CR2] is simply incorrect. Or somebody in marketing at Canon floated it to sell a few more of the old clunkers before the updated 1.2 L is released, one that is on par with the wonderful 35mm 1.4 L II...

 

[geekpower]

i like the 50 f/1.2L. if they update it, great. if they don't, that's fine too.

to add some salt to the sharpness debate, i have to admit that i do look at charts, and care more than a little bit what they say, but at the end of the day, when i post pics to my social media, to be consumed by people who don't know anything about cameras or lenses, the ones taken with the 50L get way more likes and comments than the ones taken with sharper lenses like the 16-35 f4L. i have "ways" to work around the focus shift, not so much the CA, which i wish was better, but nonetheless, the bokeh wins people over, even/especially those who don't even know what "bokeh" is.

i would say it would be a shame if they broke the bokeh trying to make it sharper, except for the fact that i simply wouldn't upgrade it if they did, so it's fine, whatever they plan to do/not do.

 

[Jopa]

i like the 50 f/1.2L. if they update it, great. if they don't, that's fine too.

to add some salt to the sharpness debate, i have to admit that i do look at charts, and care more than a little bit what they say, but at the end of the day, when i post pics to my social media, to be consumed by people who don't know anything about cameras or lenses, the ones taken with the 50L get way more likes and comments than the ones taken with sharper lenses like the 16-35 f4L. i have "ways" to work around the focus shift, not so much the CA, which i wish was better, but nonetheless, the bokeh wins people over, even/especially those who don't even know what "bokeh" is.

i would say it would be a shame if they broke the bokeh trying to make it sharper, except for the fact that i simply wouldn't upgrade it if they did, so it's fine, whatever they plan to do/not do.

Can't you just add some "extra blur" in PP? Based on my experience a sharp lens wide open + good light deliver pretty cool, 3d looking pictures. Mostly because of the strong sharpness/blur separation, and a punch of light to make the separation even stronger. And when I don't want details in the background, I just use blur (PS) / clarity tool (LR). IMHO it's much harder to make parts of an image sharper than blurrier

 

[Loswr]

Can't you just add some "extra blur" in PP?

Just as lens image quality is about more than sharpness, bokeh is about more than the quantity of blur. But of course, you should do whatever works for you. Heck, there are even tutorials for a "polarizing filter" in Photoshop, so I guess we don't need those on a lens anymore, either?

 

[j-nord]

If a 50 f1.4 IS and possibly a new f1.2 or f1.0 come out, do you think the current 50 f1.2 will drop in price in the used market? Or do you think it will pretty much maintain value with out a huge hit?

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

If a 50 f1.4 IS and possibly a new f1.2 or f1.0 come out, do you think the current 50 f1.2 will drop in price in the used market? Or do you think it will pretty much maintain value with out a huge hit?

I doubt the price of the current 50mm F1.2 will drop significantly when a new model arrives. After all, magic bokeh is something subjective ...
Magic can not be overcome by science, right? :

 

[ahsanford]

If a 50 f1.4 IS and possibly a new f1.2 or f1.0 come out, do you think the current 50 f1.2 will drop in price in the used market? Or do you think it will pretty much maintain value with out a huge hit?

Depends on what Canon puts out next. If Canon's next 50mm lens is...

• An EF 50mm f/1.2L USM II in a straight sequel to the tool we have now (or perhaps a resurrection of the 50mm f/1.0L) --> they would be tripling down on where they came from, the first version will be obsoleted and it will slowly drop in price until it burns down its inventory.
  
  
• An EF 50mm f/1.4L USM (with or without IS) in a huge pickle jar sized offering to compete resolution-wise with the Sigma Art 50mm f/1.4 and Zeiss Otus 55mm f/1.4 --> such a new lens would be massive and some folks might love the small size of the current 50L (in comparison) and keep it around. Also, there are some bokeh-prioritized folks out there that believe that any advantage that fraction of a stop f/1.2 gives over f/1.4 is preferable to a modernization/resolution bump and might opt out of an f/1.4L altogether. So the 50 f/1.2L might hang around and be sold alongside it a new 50 f/1.4L. The current 50L price wouldn't drop in this case.
  
  
• An EF 50mm of any sort that is a non-L (perhaps the one that I want ) --> the current 50 f/1.2L will live on. Even the sexiest of the all variations of the 50mm f/nooneknows IS nooneknows -- an EF 50mm f/1.4 IS USM -- might steal business from the L camp but people wouldn't pay a crazy L premium for it. So even if Canon offered such a kingly non-L lens at an inflated $999 price, they would not surrender the L price point and the current 50L would live on at current pricing.

Just a guess. I could certainly be wrong.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

If a 50 f1.4 IS and possibly a new f1.2 or f1.0 come out, do you think the current 50 f1.2 will drop in price in the used market? Or do you think it will pretty much maintain value with out a huge hit?

I doubt the price of the current 50mm F1.2 will drop significantly when a new model arrives. After all, magic bokeh is something subjective ...
Magic can not be overcome by science, right? :

Unless Canon's next 50mm lens is 'Magic II'. If they make a straight sequel of the f/1.2L lens, the price of the current version will drop.

But if the next 50mm is either (a) a huge Art-like pickle jar or (b) not an L lens, I think the 50 f/1.2L will live on at/near it's current price, which has hovered just under it's initial $1,599 asking price 10 years ago.

- A

 

[YuengLinger]

If a 50 f1.4 IS and possibly a new f1.2 or f1.0 come out, do you think the current 50 f1.2 will drop in price in the used market? Or do you think it will pretty much maintain value with out a huge hit?

I doubt the price of the current 50mm F1.2 will drop significantly when a new model arrives. After all, magic bokeh is something subjective ...
Magic can not be overcome by science, right? :

Unless Canon's next 50mm lens is 'Magic II'. If they make a straight sequel of the f/1.2L lens, the price of the current version will drop.

But if the next 50mm is either (a) a huge Art-like pickle jar or (b) not an L lens, I think the 50 f/1.2L will live on at/near it's current price, which has hovered just under it's initial $1,599 asking price 10 years ago.

- A

Refurbs were below $1000 last week.

 

[Jopa]

Can't you just add some "extra blur" in PP?
Just as lens image quality is about more than sharpness, bokeh is about more than the quantity of blur.

No doubt about that

But of course, you should do whatever works for you. Heck, there are even tutorials for a "polarizing filter" in Photoshop, so I guess we don't need those on a lens anymore, either?

The new photoshop is supposed to replace the whole sky in a few clicks. Crazy stuff...

 

[ahsanford]

Unless Canon's next 50mm lens is 'Magic II'. If they make a straight sequel of the f/1.2L lens, the price of the current version will drop.

But if the next 50mm is either (a) a huge Art-like pickle jar or (b) not an L lens, I think the 50 f/1.2L will live on at/near it's current price, which has hovered just under it's initial $1,599 asking price 10 years ago.

- A

Refurbs were below $1000 last week.

Sure. I don't include sales, refurbs, or in your case, a sale on a refurb in my statement. When I talk pricing, I am referencing the Canon MAP pricing you'd get at Amazon, Adorama, B&H etc. for a new item.

And j-nord, don't bother with used when (as Yuenglinger wisely points out) you can get an effectively new refurbished lens from Canon with a 1 year warranty on sale for 2/3 the price of new. Canon refurbs are 100% the way to go.

- A

 

[slclick]

Can't you just add some "extra blur" in PP?
Just as lens image quality is about more than sharpness, bokeh is about more than the quantity of blur.

No doubt about that

But of course, you should do whatever works for you. Heck, there are even tutorials for a "polarizing filter" in Photoshop, so I guess we don't need those on a lens anymore, either?

The new photoshop is supposed to replace the whole sky in a few clicks. Crazy stuff...

Every year the days of GIRIC are lost more and more to PP.

 

[YuengLinger]

Can't you just add some "extra blur" in PP?
Just as lens image quality is about more than sharpness, bokeh is about more than the quantity of blur.

No doubt about that

But of course, you should do whatever works for you. Heck, there are even tutorials for a "polarizing filter" in Photoshop, so I guess we don't need those on a lens anymore, either?

The new photoshop is supposed to replace the whole sky in a few clicks. Crazy stuff...

Every year the days of GIRIC are lost more and more to PP.

Unless you are taking the sharpest possible pictures of crisp new bills.

 

[sdsr]

i like the 50 f/1.2L. if they update it, great. if they don't, that's fine too.

I still like my FD 50 1.2 L! (Smaller, lighter, cheaper and, to my taste, more attractive than its EF successor, and fun to use on a mirrorless body.)

 

[geekpower]

actually, the quality of the bokeh has little to do with the 1/3 stop wider aperture, and even less do to with magic; it's all about the spherical aberration, which turns out is actually science:

http://toothwalker.org/optics/spherical.html

we can talk about SA being a "defect" of the lens because it makes the image softer, overall, but it is qualitatively different than what a simple blur in post can do, as it becomes gradually more pronounced at the edges, which helps to pull attention to the subject. perhaps a more advanced post process could do something similar, but a simple one certainly can't. in addition, if the photographer decides to intentionally front or back focus, it can make the bokeh look different, so there is a lot of room for creativity.

 

[ahsanford]

actually, the quality of the bokeh has little to do with the 1/3 stop wider aperture, and even less do to with magic; it's all about the spherical aberration, which turns out is actually science:

http://toothwalker.org/optics/spherical.html

we can talk about SA being a "defect" of the lens because it makes the image softer, overall, but it is qualitatively different than what a simple blur in post can do, as it becomes gradually more pronounced at the edges, which helps to pull attention to the subject. perhaps a more advanced post process could do something similar, but a simple one certainly can't. in addition, if the photographer decides to intentionally front or back focus, it can make the bokeh look different, so there is a lot of room for creativity.

Point taken -- the weird love of the f/1.2L is more than just a fraction of a stop. Its nutty spherical plane of focus is somewhat unique: some folks describe how it renders as 'magical' while others just call it soft.

It would appear that there are two camps with 50 primes -- give me magic or give me sharpness. The former spoons with their 50L at night while the latter straps enormous pickle jars to their rigs (Sigma Art, Zeiss Otus) to get razor sharp images.

I'm in a clear minority compared to those two groups. I care less about bokeh and best possible sharpness. I want a lens that is 90% as good as the best lens is optically, but only half as big. I love love love the 35mm f/2 IS USM and just want something similar (I'll take f/1.4 if it's not enormous) at the 50mm focal length.

- A