Not Another 6D vs 7DMKII Thread? well..... :D

[meywd]

First, i am not a pro, I have the 600D and planing on getting both of the 7DMKII and the 6D - when the cash available - for birds, action, astro, landscape, portraits, night and weddings\events photography.

I am still at 36K shots with mine, but am planning to keep it as a backup to the 7DMKII, i started trying to shoot birds recently when i got the 100-400, and once tried doing it with the 70-200, yeah AF is not that good for BIF, and even birds on trees, when there is a busy background the AF goes hunting too much, but i know that's the outcome of AI Servo and a small bird

I have two options, get the 7DMKII or the 6D first - i wish i can get both at once, yup self proclaimed GAS, and photography is only part of it - the thing is i can get both but i need a bunch of lenses with the 6D, as you can see in the sig, i don't have a FF wide lens, so a 24-70 f4 IS is duo with the 6D, also for astro i will get the samyang 14mm f2.8 and 24mm f1.4, i am still at milky way level, but that's enough for me now.

So, the question is, which to get first? we are going into winter so astro photography here will be on hold until april - as no milky way, and very cold weather in the desert - and for birds the season of migration is ending if not ended, but those are not the only factors, night events\weddings\portraits is a main reason to get the 6D, i have a flash, but that's not always an option, also landscape is an interest for me and wide lenses are not really wide with crop sensors.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

And none of the other threads on this site were about this topic?

Ok, here is your answer: Research both models and choose the one you can afford and you feel will suit your individual photography style.

What works for another photographer may not work for you. So unless you can find a photographer exactly like you, the value of different photographer's opinions may not be as high as you think.

Good luck with your decision, but it is really up to you to conduct the research as only you know your budget and photographic style.

 

[meywd]

And none of the other threads on this site were about this topic?

Ok, here is your answer: Research both models and choose the one you can afford and you feel will suit your individual photography style.

What works for another photographer may not work for you. So unless you can find a photographer exactly like you, the value of different photographer's opinions may not be as high as you think.

Good luck with your decision, but it is really up to you to conduct the research as only you know your budget and photographic style.

Thank you for taking the time to reply, your correct i am the one who needs to decide, however i did research and was planning on getting the original 7D 2 years ago, but the budget made the 600D the choice at the time, and i think that was good, i learned a lot during that period and now i am more ready for a more advance body such as the 7DMKII, as for the 6D, High ISO is the main reason to get it, i want a clean picture at ISO 6400, and even though the 7DMKII seems to be a lot better than my 600D, with 30s exposure the noise will mostly still be an issue.

 

[Random Orbits]

6D first. You will still have the 600D, so you won't losing any focal length flexibility, and F4 lenses work much better on FF. Unless the birding shots outnumber your night events/portraits/wedding shots, getting the 6D first makes a lot more sense.

 

[privatebydesign]

6D.

You will then realise the 'limitations' of crop cameras (for pixel peepers and big printers) and realise you need a 6D and 5D MkIII, mind you, by the time you have the 5D MkIII money saved you will be in used 1DX territory money wise.........

GAS is a rarely tamed affliction.

 

[unfocused]

My first reaction was: Sounds like you should buy a 5D.

With a 6D you get half the features of a 5D. With a 7D you'll get another half of the features of the 5D. Why not save yourself some money in the long run and just get a 5D to begin with?

 

[heptagon]

Joining the bandwagon: 6D first.

a) buy it with the 24-105 kit, to get a cheap and useful zoom, b) buy the tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC to get a good versatile zoom for a reasonable price, or c) buy the canon 24-70 f/2.8 II if you want to go expensive.

The 7DII isn't even out yet and the focusing system ist the only big advantage.

 

[meywd]

6D first. You will still have the 600D, so you won't losing any focal length flexibility, and F4 lenses work much better on FF. Unless the birding shots outnumber your night events/portraits/wedding shots, getting the 6D first makes a lot more sense.

6D.

You will then realise the 'limitations' of crop cameras (for pixel peepers and big printers) and realise you need a 6D and 5D MkIII, mind you, by the time you have the 5D MkIII money saved you will be in used 1DX territory money wise.........

GAS is a rarely tamed affliction.

Joining the bandwagon: 6D first.

a) buy it with the 24-105 kit, to get a cheap and useful zoom, b) buy the tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC to get a good versatile zoom for a reasonable price, or c) buy the canon 24-70 f/2.8 II if you want to go expensive.

The 7DII isn't even out yet and the focusing system ist the only big advantage.

I am leaning toward that choice, with a refurbished 6D at $1500.

as for 24-70, maybe that needs another thread, but from a quick research i get that the 24-70 f4 IS is second only to the 24-70 f2.8 II in sharpness, also IS is helpful as my hands are not steady, and at $1k its at half the price, yes f2.8 is very tempting, but that's pushing the wallet too much

My first reaction was: Sounds like you should buy a 5D.

With a 6D you get half the features of a 5D. With a 7D you'll get another half of the features of the 5D. Why not save yourself some money in the long run and just get a 5D to begin with?

I thought about the 5D, it is a cheaper option when you include all the accessories you need with a body(grip/batteries) but what makes me lean toward the two bodies are the following:

• The 5D is the jack of all trades master of none, yes its a great camera but the 6D has better low light performance, and the 7D has better AF - I hope - and drive with 10fps.
• Having two bodies allows more opportunities, not having to switch lens, covering a longer focal range.
• Plus with the 5D i will need a 600mm lens which is out of budget

 

[Random Orbits]

I am leaning toward that choice, with a refurbished 6D at $1500.

as for 24-70, maybe that needs another thread, but from a quick research i get that the 24-70 f4 IS is second only to the 24-70 f2.8 II in sharpness, also IS is helpful as my hands are not steady, and at $1k its at half the price, yes f2.8 is very tempting, but that's pushing the wallet too much

If you have your heart set on the 24-70 f/4 IS, you could considering getting a white box grey market lens for 800. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/News-Post.aspx?News=11702

You can also get a brand new 6D for 1440 from an authorized dealer using CPW's streetprice:
http://www.canonpricewatch.com/product/04039/Canon-EOS-6D-price.html

 

[candc]

If you get the 6d you don't have to get a 24-70. Maybe the 16-35 f/4 plus your 50 and your 70-200 makes a great kit?

 

[meywd]

I am leaning toward that choice, with a refurbished 6D at $1500.

as for 24-70, maybe that needs another thread, but from a quick research i get that the 24-70 f4 IS is second only to the 24-70 f2.8 II in sharpness, also IS is helpful as my hands are not steady, and at $1k its at half the price, yes f2.8 is very tempting, but that's pushing the wallet too much

If you have your heart set on the 24-70 f/4 IS, you could considering getting a white box grey market lens for 800. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/News-Post.aspx?News=11702

You can also get a brand new 6D for 1440 from an authorized dealer using CPW's streetprice:
http://www.canonpricewatch.com/product/04039/Canon-EOS-6D-price.html

Thanks

If you get the 6d you don't have to get a 24-70. Maybe the 16-35 f/4 plus your 50 and your 70-200 makes a great kit?

well, i thought about the 16-35 f4 but with the samyang 14mm f2.8 and 24mm f1.4 i thought a 24-70 covers a more needed focal length specially for events.

 

[smithcon]

As somebody who owns a 7D (since it came out in 2009) and a 6D (for 6 months), I can say that I like having the two bodies. The 6D has taken over all of my photography except for sports, bif, and aviation/airshow in-flight shots. I am planning on upgrading the 7D to the Mark II as sports are a big part of what I do.

In your situation, I would probably get the 6D first, unless your interests lean much more strongly to sports, bif, or focal-length constrained distance shooting.

Note that occasionally the 6D comes up on a refurb deal from Canon for under $1300. That is how I got mine, and it was perfect; completely indistinguishable from new, and Canon backs them with the same full warranty a new camera comes with.

I was worried about FF lenses, and still haven't completely solved that issue. I have the excellent Rokinon 14 2.8 which I bought on a deal, and I have the wonderful pre-art Sigma 50 1.4 EX (this lens is underrated -- it has great sharpness and the quality of Bokeh it yields is absolutely beautiful) which I used as a portrait lens on my 7D before the 6D arrived and stole the portrait shooting away and took over the 50 as a great walk-around lens. I also everything I need in the 70+ end, but nothing in-between the 14 and the 50. I've been filling in by renting occasional lenses at ProPhotoSupply in Portland, OR, where I can rent even the 24-70 2.8 II for $30 from Thursday evening through Monday morning (I'm lucky to live quite close to them). I've been eyeing the Cameda Camera deal on the 7D Mark II, which comes with the 24-70 f4 IS, but lacking a Canadian address, I'm not sure if I should try to go through with it.

 

[StudentOfLight]

To the 5D-III punters... I can understand how the 5D-III can replace the 6D, but how exactly does the 5D-III replace a 7D-II?

 

[privatebydesign]

To the 5D-III punters... I can understand how the 5D-III can replace the 6D, but how exactly does the 5D-III replace a 7D-II?

Apart from fps what doesn't the 5D MkIII do that the 7D MkII can?

 

[fragilesi]

To the 5D-III punters... I can understand how the 5D-III can replace the 6D, but how exactly does the 5D-III replace a 7D-II?

Apart from fps what doesn't the 5D MkIII do that the 7D MkII can?

That fluttering light thing?

 

[privatebydesign]

To the 5D-III punters... I can understand how the 5D-III can replace the 6D, but how exactly does the 5D-III replace a 7D-II?

Apart from fps what doesn't the 5D MkIII do that the 7D MkII can?

That fluttering light thing?

Is that it?

 

[fragilesi]

To the 5D-III punters... I can understand how the 5D-III can replace the 6D, but how exactly does the 5D-III replace a 7D-II?

Apart from fps what doesn't the 5D MkIII do that the 7D MkII can?

That fluttering light thing?

Is that it?

I wouldn't know, I don't have either but both of them would be important things to me.

 

[privatebydesign]

To the 5D-III punters... I can understand how the 5D-III can replace the 6D, but how exactly does the 5D-III replace a 7D-II?

Apart from fps what doesn't the 5D MkIII do that the 7D MkII can?

That fluttering light thing?

Is that it?

I wouldn't know, I don't have either but both of them would be important things to me.

I don't have either, either, and won't be getting either. But I am surprised that those two things are the only things that anyone can think of.

Whilst I won't belittle those two features for those that do need them, I can't help but feel most of us don't!

 

[fragilesi]

I don't have either, either, and won't be getting either. But I am surprised that those two things are the only things that anyone can think of.

Whilst I won't belittle those two features for those that do need them, I can't help but feel most of us don't!

What an odd conclusion. You mentioned one, I mentioned another. It sounds like neither of us has bothered to do a comparison, I certainly haven't. Once people get their hands on a 7dII we'll probably get a better idea of what it can do.

One thing it would also do is to allow me to spend an additional grand on a new lens for a start.

 

[tron]

The following is my kind of summing up the pros and cons:

birds: 7DII unless in very low light conditions in which case 5DIII

action: 7DII or 5DIII depending whether you are focal length limited or not

astro: 6D maybe a little but how much less noisier is it?

landscape: 6D,5DIII

portraits: 5DIII (the AF system for off center focusing in an eye beats 6D)

night and weddings\events photography: 6D,5DIII practically equal

I do have a 5DIII and after I sold my 5DII I was thinking about a 6D until I thought:

1. I will always try to decide which camera with which lens. Since you are thinking 2 different
type of cameras (1 FF, 1 APS-C) you will possibly do not have such dilemmas

2. It is nice for both cameras to be exactly the same in handling/buttons/menus/capabilities

But maybe apart from an addon in the joystick in 7DII I guess handling will be the same.

Still I didn't regret my 2nd 5DIII. I believe that no matter what you choose, you will enjoy your new camera(s).