November 3, 2011 Announcement
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nazdar said:
interesting...why does this reference Nov 4th & 5th vs the 3rd? Are there going to be more announcements the 4th and 5th?
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posts this soon are just for page views no more speculation needed only a matter of hours now...
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those 300c specs don't tell me much: with all that, it could be just as good as the alexa (and thus worth $60K), or only as good as the FS100 (and thus worth $5K)
at this level, for most work it's not so much about resolution (whatever RED people say), but about dynamic range, color rendition (specially skin tones), etc
for example, the alexa only records 1080p, but it has 14.1 stops of DR (vs. 11.2 for the 5D2, pre-cinestyle, and 14.5 for film), and the best skin tones among all these cameras according to a lot of very knowledgeable people
http://nofilmschool.com/2011/06/zacuto-unleashes-great-camera-shootout-2011/
and that's why it's worth $60K (to some)
at this level, for most work it's not so much about resolution (whatever RED people say), but about dynamic range, color rendition (specially skin tones), etc
for example, the alexa only records 1080p, but it has 14.1 stops of DR (vs. 11.2 for the 5D2, pre-cinestyle, and 14.5 for film), and the best skin tones among all these cameras according to a lot of very knowledgeable people
http://nofilmschool.com/2011/06/zacuto-unleashes-great-camera-shootout-2011/
and that's why it's worth $60K (to some)
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Axilrod said:
At what price? Also have you looked at the specifications and pricing of Canon's XF305? Granted that camcorder includes a lens, reportedly a very good lens, but this camcorder has a much larger sensor. 4K may be the preferrred capture and postproduction resolution for feature films shown on giant screens but, for HDTV, it may be overkill. Also, 4K capture, especially raw capture, requires fast and expensive memory. If Canon has decided to again use inexpensive CF memory, then 1920X1080 makes sense.
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Bob Howland said:
Everywhere I've seen has said $10k-$15k. The Scarlett or whatever Red announces today shoots higher than 1080 for sure and they were talking about $7k - $10k for that. Not to mention they are releasing it in Hollywood and having some of the big shots there, so I'm pretty sure this camera is "for feature films on giant screens." You think those people are going to be impressed by a camera like the one described in the last rumor?
Point and shoots and iPhones shoot 1080p, it just seems like any pro cam at that price that has to stay relevant for a while is going to need to do something better.
I dont care if it's 1080p if they make some HUGE improvements somehow in terms of quality.
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Axilrod said:
Yes. Actually not that many films are finished in 4k... Most are still 2k. Lots of major films (Captain America, Avengers, Transformers 3, etc.) shot at 1080p or 2k.
The vast majority of new TV shows (maybe an exaggeration) are shot on the Alexa in prores, because the format is easy to ingest. How many still photographers distribute their images as raw files? Prores log-c plus custom LUT provides the built in "look" the cinematographer wants, but also with substantial room to grade.
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engadjet live blogging the event http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/the-canon-hollywood-event-liveblog/
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do what?
That's a newsgathering spec these days.
Can't imagine Martin Scorsese getting out of bed for that.
Unless the 1080p is talking about the viewfinder.
Hollywood venue means it has to be something relevant to the digital cinema market.
Come on, give us 1080p @300fps. (demo'd at IBC two years ago) That's like seeing through an open window and is properly stunning to watch.
<wild speculation> is that what the 300 part of the name is about? </wild speculation>
That's a newsgathering spec these days. Can't imagine Martin Scorsese getting out of bed for that.
Unless the 1080p is talking about the viewfinder.
Hollywood venue means it has to be something relevant to the digital cinema market.
Come on, give us 1080p @300fps. (demo'd at IBC two years ago) That's like seeing through an open window and is properly stunning to watch.
<wild speculation> is that what the 300 part of the name is about? </wild speculation>
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Heidrun said:
Document says Hollywood, CA -- it's Noon there now . . . movie execs are just gettin' outa bed
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Re: do what?
300 is a reference to the movie: "Spartannnnnnssssss!!!!!"
I still think it makes ZERO sense that Canon would make a camera with a specific EF and specific PL mount. That would be so limiting on the types of lenses that can be used. Sony FS100 and Panasonic AF101 are obviously mirrorless with a short flange length, therefore they can adopt basically any lens ever made, including EF and PL.
It would be really unwise for Canon to use an EF mount (long-ish flange length) which would limit the type of lenses that are adoptable. Plus EF mount can already adopt PL mount. Ideally, they would just have a short flange mount with an EF electronic adaptor. That makes the most sense.
So please Canon, just don't be Canon and release a camera with an EF mount in yet another attempt to get people to buy your lenses. Make a better camera instead, like Sony and Panasonic did.
KitH said:
Can't imagine Martin Scorsese getting out of bed for that.
Unless the 1080p is talking about the viewfinder.
Hollywood venue means it has to be something relevant to the digital cinema market.
Come on, give us 1080p @300fps. (demo'd at IBC two years ago) That's like seeing through an open window and is properly stunning to watch.
<wild speculation> is that what the 300 part of the name is about? </wild speculation>
300 is a reference to the movie: "Spartannnnnnssssss!!!!!"
I still think it makes ZERO sense that Canon would make a camera with a specific EF and specific PL mount. That would be so limiting on the types of lenses that can be used. Sony FS100 and Panasonic AF101 are obviously mirrorless with a short flange length, therefore they can adopt basically any lens ever made, including EF and PL.
It would be really unwise for Canon to use an EF mount (long-ish flange length) which would limit the type of lenses that are adoptable. Plus EF mount can already adopt PL mount. Ideally, they would just have a short flange mount with an EF electronic adaptor. That makes the most sense.
So please Canon, just don't be Canon and release a camera with an EF mount in yet another attempt to get people to buy your lenses. Make a better camera instead, like Sony and Panasonic did.
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I think it will be two different cameras: EF at $5K to $15K (FS100 or F3 competitor), and PL much more expensive, perhaps $50K (alexa competitor)
but yes: either that, or interchangeable mounts, having two different versions of the same camera makes no sense (ahem, it's like having a PAL and an NTSC version, ahem, absolutely stupid, ahem, sony, ahem...)
but yes: either that, or interchangeable mounts, having two different versions of the same camera makes no sense (ahem, it's like having a PAL and an NTSC version, ahem, absolutely stupid, ahem, sony, ahem...)
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PerfectSavage
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Heidrun said:
announcement is scheduled for 3PM Pacific Time (LA), so that would be what... 11PM Norway?
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Stu_bert said:Red make their announcement 3 hrs later, allowing them to decide their price point no doubt
or time to make up lies about scarlet's specifications once they get outgunned and under priced.
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