Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II

[paumm2006]

While some people are complaining as you describe, other continue saying "How could they put the same sensor? ", which is kind of pathetic. However, lets forget those people and focus on the possibilities of the all-new 7D MKII sensor!! ;D

Indeed. But let us not forget the all new 18 MP APS-C sensor in the T4i/650D (all new because of Hybrid CMOS AF) or the all new 18 MP APS-C sensor in the SL1/100D (all new because of Hybrid CMOS AF II).

:-X

Good point. But given that there is no new technology advertised (that I can see, that is), is it fair to assume the "newness" will come from the actual sensor? I sure hope so. :-\

 

[Loswr]

While some people are complaining as you describe, other continue saying "How could they put the same sensor? ", which is kind of pathetic. However, lets forget those people and focus on the possibilities of the all-new 7D MKII sensor!! ;D

Indeed. But let us not forget the all new 18 MP APS-C sensor in the T4i/650D (all new because of Hybrid CMOS AF) or the all new 18 MP APS-C sensor in the SL1/100D (all new because of Hybrid CMOS AF II).

:-X

Good point. But given that there is no new technology advertised (that I can see, that is), is it fair to assume the "newness" will come from the actual sensor? I sure hope so. :-\

Perhaps. Canon had a patent publish recently on improved DPAF for use in AI Servo AF, and now the 7DII has DPAF in AI Servo AF. I'm not sure if that required a hardware tweak to the sensor, but if so, that could be what's 'all new'.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Anyway the speed and AF and all sounds like out of the park, awesome.

The sensor is what it is. It would be DOA for a 5D4, but it's probably OK for a 7D2 (although not ideal and I certainly feel for the one body shooters who'd use this as their main landscape cam too).

The video looks pretty punted though in terms of quality.

If you don't hit DR-limited scenes much and never shoot video it's a total home run. Grand slam even (assuming it lives up to the words).

If you were looking to it for video it's a D+.

If you wanted an action cam plus great all around aps-c sensor it's mixed, great on the one hand and stuck in 2007 on the other.

I'll preface this by saying I don't really shoot video but that said, I think it will hold it's own pretty well considering the smooth AF it appears to have from the Canon promo "Cello" and the "Making of Cello" I think will be a hit with the entry level video guys especially when coupled with the lens system Canon has. Granted, it's not a nice as the 5d3 video, but that wasn't to be expected. Physics. However, that short they made at 3200 ISO looked pretty darn good and the focus racking looked darn good to me. Put that little camera with a Ninja and it's a good little set up I'm betting.

Yeah I updated my comment so the video part now says:
Quick impression from the press releases:

If you were looking to it for video it's a D+ if you care about all things plus video quality. If you don't care about the video quality so much at all, it's maybe B to A- depending upon unknown UI factors.

No 1080pRAW, no 4k, apparently the same old smeary, squishy 1080 Canon DSLR-style 1080p.

Vastly better video AF though and hopefully 2-2.5 stops better video SNR over the 7D (unless a few vague, hard to believe rumors about it still line skipping are true, not sure how that could be, it has so much power).

 

[PureClassA]

Thought I read/saw somewhere today that it was a newly designed microlens, photodiode, bayer... pretty much everything apart from the fact that it uses the same pixel count as the 70D. But with newly design pixels which have aided it's low light/high ISO performance. I think that was the whole point of showing so much 3200 ISO in that promo video short "Cello"

 

[123Photog]

are there any sample images yet.

from canon or a review website?

 

[that1guyy]

Anyway the speed and AF and all sounds like out of the park, awesome.

The sensor is what it is. It would be DOA for a 5D4, but it's probably OK for a 7D2 (although not ideal and I certainly feel for the one body shooters who'd use this as their main landscape cam too).

The video looks pretty punted though in terms of quality.

If you don't hit DR-limited scenes much and never shoot video it's a total home run. Grand slam even (assuming it lives up to the words).

If you were looking to it for video it's a D+.

If you wanted an action cam plus great all around aps-c sensor it's mixed, great on the one hand and stuck in 2007 on the other.

I'll preface this by saying I don't really shoot video but that said, I think it will hold it's own pretty well considering the smooth AF it appears to have from the Canon promo "Cello" and the "Making of Cello" I think will be a hit with the entry level video guys especially when coupled with the lens system Canon has. Granted, it's not a nice as the 5d3 video, but that wasn't to be expected. Physics. However, that short they made at 3200 ISO looked pretty darn good and the focus racking looked darn good to me. Put that little camera with a Ninja and it's a good little set up I'm betting.

I haven't really seen the video quality of the 7d mark ii because the cello video on Canon's site doesn't allow me to change the resolution or even full screen it but if you're saying the video is worse than the 5D3 then that is pretty sad. The 5D3 is pretty shit now for video. So if this new cam is worse, then oh wow am I laughing now.

 

[nebugeater]

Greetings,,, Sorry if I have missed this in this long thread, but has there been any mention of a time frame for availablity? I see Adorama and B&H offering pre-orders, just wondering how much longer we will hae to wait?

Stated arrival is November 17th

Now Amazon says Nov 28. IT had said the 17th Maybe it changed or maybe they have had enough pre-orders to push it to a later date based on delivery schedule.

 

[Quest for Light]

Anyway the speed and AF and all sounds like out of the park, awesome.

The sensor is what it is. It would be DOA for a 5D4, but it's probably OK for a 7D2 (although not ideal and I certainly feel for the one body shooters who'd use this as their main landscape cam too).

The video looks pretty punted though in terms of quality.

If you don't hit DR-limited scenes much and never shoot video it's a total home run. Grand slam even (assuming it lives up to the words).

If you were looking to it for video it's a D+.

If you wanted an action cam plus great all around aps-c sensor it's mixed, great on the one hand and stuck in 2007 on the other.

I'll preface this by saying I don't really shoot video but that said, I think it will hold it's own pretty well considering the smooth AF it appears to have from the Canon promo "Cello" and the "Making of Cello" I think will be a hit with the entry level video guys especially when coupled with the lens system Canon has. Granted, it's not a nice as the 5d3 video, but that wasn't to be expected. Physics. However, that short they made at 3200 ISO looked pretty darn good and the focus racking looked darn good to me. Put that little camera with a Ninja and it's a good little set up I'm betting.

I haven't really seen the video quality of the 7d mark ii because the cello video on Canon's site doesn't allow me to change the resolution or even full screen it but if you're saying the video is worse than the 5D3 then that is pretty sad. The 5D3 is pretty S___ now for video. So if this new cam is worse, then oh wow am I laughing now.

looking at your flickr images i say what you need more than better video is a electronic level in your camera.

sorry could not resist.

but i agree the 7D MK2 should have 4K video.

 

[Loswr]

The selected point appears when I activate AF (I use rear-button AF). However, I cannot move it until I first hit the AF mode selection button...then that frees the AF point to be moved somewhere else with the joystick. In other modes, I just have to activate AF, then I can move the selected point with the joystick without the intermediate requirement of pressing AF mode first.

I use back-button AF, I just tap the AF-ON button then I can move the joystick to move the AF point (even after I've released the AF-ON button, although as I stated above, moving the AF point 'times out' just like the metering). That's in all modes, including AI Servo + 61-pt auto.

I dunno what's up. I'm kind of ticked, as since I reset, I now have to press that AF mode button to get the AF point movable in every AF mode. I can no longer simply tap the joystick (after initially activating AF, however that's done) to get it moving. :'( I think something is up with my 5D III.

On the custom controls screen (C.Fn Menu 2 or via Q menu), select the multicontroller (bottom right icon) and select 'AF point direct selection'. That's off by default, so it got switched back when you did the reset.

 

[Sporgon]

While some people are complaining as you describe, other continue saying "How could they put the same sensor? ", which is kind of pathetic. However, lets forget those people and focus on the possibilities of the all-new 7D MKII sensor!! ;D

Indeed. But let us not forget the all new 18 MP APS-C sensor in the T4i/650D (all new because of Hybrid CMOS AF) or the all new 18 MP APS-C sensor in the SL1/100D (all new because of Hybrid CMOS AF II).

:-X

Good point. But given that there is no new technology advertised (that I can see, that is), is it fair to assume the "newness" will come from the actual sensor? I sure hope so. :-\

Perhaps. Canon had a patent publish recently on improved DPAF for use in AI Servo AF, and now the 7DII has DPAF in AI Servo AF. I'm not sure if that required a hardware tweak to the sensor, but if so, that could be what's 'all new'.

According to Dave Perry of Canon UK in the YouTube video link posted in this thread, the 'all new sensor, different to the 70D ' is............micro lenses.

Here's the link again for anyone interested.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey7FzU7OqH4

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Thought I read/saw somewhere today that it was a newly designed microlens, photodiode, bayer... pretty much everything apart from the fact that it uses the same pixel count as the 70D. But with newly design pixels which have aided it's low light/high ISO performance. I think that was the whole point of showing so much 3200 ISO in that promo video short "Cello"

It would gain a lot more SNR in video simply by not line-skipping and reading the entire sensor, if it does that, even if the sensor had the same tech as the 7D, it would automatically pick up around 2 stops I think (I forget exactly how much of the sensor the 7D skips). Just as with the 5D3 vs the 5D2, it's only modestly better in SNR for stills, but far, far better for SNR in video.

 

[Sporgon]

:'( I think something is up with my 5D III.

Seems everyone is aware of that, you have so much trouble with noise an all.

 

[unfocused]

The selected point appears when I activate AF (I use rear-button AF). However, I cannot move it until I first hit the AF mode selection button...then that frees the AF point to be moved somewhere else with the joystick. In other modes, I just have to activate AF, then I can move the selected point with the joystick without the intermediate requirement of pressing AF mode first.

I use back-button AF, I just tap the AF-ON button then I can move the joystick to move the AF point (even after I've released the AF-ON button, although as I stated above, moving the AF point 'times out' just like the metering). That's in all modes, including AI Servo + 61-pt auto.

I dunno what's up. I'm kind of ticked, as since I reset, I now have to press that AF mode button to get the AF point movable in every AF mode. I can no longer simply tap the joystick (after initially activating AF, however that's done) to get it moving. :'( I think something is up with my 5D III.

On the custom controls screen (C.Fn Menu 2 or via Q menu), select the multicontroller (bottom right icon) and select 'AF point direct selection'. That's off by default, so it got switched back when you did the reset.

Yes. I am a little uncertain what Jon is talking about, but I was going to suggest he check his custom functions.

I changed my auto focus area selection method to the click wheel and then forgot about it. Kept trying to push the M-FN button and nothing happened until I remembered I'd changed it.

 

[AccipiterQ]

If I only user center-point for photographing birds, is this really worth the upgrade over the T2i I've been lugging around for several years? I'm thinking of just getting a 6D or 5Diii, as I can get pretty close to my subjects, and I'm using a 400mm lens. From the specs of the 7Dii it looks more like a 'side-grade' to the T2i than an actual upgrade, for the type of photography I do. My main limiting factor right now is iso performance; anything above 400 on the T2i is pretty much useless, and I'm not getting the sense the 7Dii will be any better. Anyone that shoots similar subject matter have any thoughts on this?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Anyway the speed and AF and all sounds like out of the park, awesome.

The sensor is what it is. It would be DOA for a 5D4, but it's probably OK for a 7D2 (although not ideal and I certainly feel for the one body shooters who'd use this as their main landscape cam too).

The video looks pretty punted though in terms of quality.

If you don't hit DR-limited scenes much and never shoot video it's a total home run. Grand slam even (assuming it lives up to the words).

If you were looking to it for video it's a D+.

If you wanted an action cam plus great all around aps-c sensor it's mixed, great on the one hand and stuck in 2007 on the other.

I'll preface this by saying I don't really shoot video but that said, I think it will hold it's own pretty well considering the smooth AF it appears to have from the Canon promo "Cello" and the "Making of Cello" I think will be a hit with the entry level video guys especially when coupled with the lens system Canon has. Granted, it's not a nice as the 5d3 video, but that wasn't to be expected. Physics. However, that short they made at 3200 ISO looked pretty darn good and the focus racking looked darn good to me. Put that little camera with a Ninja and it's a good little set up I'm betting.

I haven't really seen the video quality of the 7d mark ii because the cello video on Canon's site doesn't allow me to change the resolution or even full screen it but if you're saying the video is worse than the 5D3 then that is pretty sad. The 5D3 is pretty S___ now for video. So if this new cam is worse, then oh wow am I laughing now.

Clearly worse than 5D3 WITH Magic Lantern RAW. With ML RAW the 5D3 produces very good 1080p video, the best of any regular line DSLR by anyone (well, maybe, I haven't seen the 4k A7S footage yet).

Not sure about how it will compared to native, SOOC 5D3 video. SOOC 5D3 video is kinda waxy and squishy. The one clip with the skiers from the 7D2 made it look maybe a bit worse than 5D3 but probably better than the 7D (it's hard to tell from that, not even sure what mode it was in, maybe 720p for all I know, etc. who knows maybe it's even better (other than the impossibility of beating FF SNR) than 5D3 SOOC. But no way it could ever beat 5D3 with Magic Lantern RAW.

 

[Quest for Light]

how can the stupid canon battery grip for the 7D MK2 cost as much as an entry level DSLR? :-X

i mean what´s in it?

the chinese can kock them out for 50$ and make a profit.

 

[Loswr]

I changed my auto focus area selection method to the click wheel and then forgot about it. Kept trying to push the M-FN button and nothing happened until I remembered I'd changed it.

I have it on the click wheel, too. That little lever around the 7DII's multicontroller is a pretty slick ergonomic addition! I have my M-Fn1 button (the one by the shutter release, the 1D X has an M-Fn2 next to the DoF Preview buttons) assigned to switch modes. That's pretty cool as it 'remembers' the last mode you used and cycles through that and the C# settings, and witht he display in the VF I can cycle through modes without taking my eye from the VF.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

If I only user center-point for photographing birds, is this really worth the upgrade over the T2i I've been lugging around for several years? I'm thinking of just getting a 6D or 5Diii, as I can get pretty close to my subjects, and I'm using a 400mm lens. From the specs of the 7Dii it looks more like a 'side-grade' to the T2i than an actual upgrade, for the type of photography I do. My main limiting factor right now is iso performance; anything above 400 on the T2i is pretty much useless, and I'm not getting the sense the 7Dii will be any better. Anyone that shoots similar subject matter have any thoughts on this?

I'd imagine the focus accuracy for one shot or AI Servo tracking will be much better than on the T2i. The trigger delay should be much shorter. The fps are much higher. To many that could be a considerable upgrade for such shooting. Surely for sports. How much the high ISO will improved, remains to be seen. The t2i isn't bad at high iso to begin with though so don't expect miracles.

 

[ritholtz]

When can we expect IQ comparisons to appear on net? Do we need to wait until Canon starts shipping them?
Hoping to see very good ISO 6400 pics from this new sensor. With iso 6400, I can use F2.8
max aperture lens to take pics under low light. Next rebel with this sensor, swivel screen, wifi
and some more consumer grade updates/downgrades, will be great.

 

[PureClassA]

If I only user center-point for photographing birds, is this really worth the upgrade over the T2i I've been lugging around for several years? I'm thinking of just getting a 6D or 5Diii, as I can get pretty close to my subjects, and I'm using a 400mm lens. From the specs of the 7Dii it looks more like a 'side-grade' to the T2i than an actual upgrade, for the type of photography I do. My main limiting factor right now is iso performance; anything above 400 on the T2i is pretty much useless, and I'm not getting the sense the 7Dii will be any better. Anyone that shoots similar subject matter have any thoughts on this?

I had a t2i and a 7D. The 7D was a clear winner for fast targets. The 7DII will have exponentially better AF capability and the sensor is better as well. Short of the birds being dead and/or stuffed you'll get far more clean shots with an AF system like this and more than double the FPS of a t2i. Plus you can take it in adverse conditions like rain (assuming your lens is also weather sealed). Again, it's not just another 2MP. You're adding in DPAF as well plus new pixels themselves as ahve been recently discussed in this same thread. And you may not always get to be close, so why not keep the reach of a crop. You're going to have to get a lot closer if you go FF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey7FzU7OqH4&app=desktop