Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II

jrista said:
Eldar said:
jrista said:
neuroanatomist said:
jrista said:
I honestly do not believe any Canon or Nikon system currently has anything like flexible spot. I know there are the zone and all points modes, but when you pick a single AF point, as far as I know (and maybe the 1D X is different), only that one point will be used, regardless.

I think you are mistaken. Just to make sure we're on the same page here regarding the 5DIII (that page is p.77 from the 5DIII manual), with 61-pt auto selection in AI Servo, you manually select any single AF (1), and the AF system will track the subject across the array of AF points, switching points (2).

So again, can you please explain what is different about the Sony system?

Well, maybe it's just something up with my 5D III. It's currently in my hands. I'm looking at the top LCD, and it says "AI SERVO". When I look through the viewfinder, I see the AF display for One-Shot AF. I don't see any AF points displayed...I only see the brackets. If I move the joystick around, no AF point shows up or is selected. If I activate AF...THEN I see AF points.

So, your telling me that my 5D III isn't behaving properly....that sucks. :\ I guess I need to figure out what's wrong, because I haven't been using the all points mode because it doesn't always initially lock onto my subject properly, and I often miss shots. On the other hand, using single point selection mode is a PITA for BIF.
A tip worth trying is to toggle through the AF modes and try again when you get to the all-points mode. A couple of times and don´t ask me how it happens, I have seen what you describe. But for me it has been sufficient to toggle through the modes and try again.

I reset the camera, and tried that, and it still did not work. Then, I just hit the AF mode button (the one on the back, which you press first, before pressing M-Fn to actually switch modes), and moved the joystick. That worked. So, in most AF modes, you can just move the joystick, and the selected AF point moves. But in all points mode, you have to first hit mode, then use the joystick to move the AF point? Seems very tedious...

But, it does seem to work...mostly. It does initially lock onto the subject under my selected point...but it jumps a lot. As I track, it doesn't seem to really STICK to the originally selected subject...which is kind of annoying. I am not using my 600mm lens, though, so maybe it will work better on that.
You should play with the AF customization. This may be of interest: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9174241280/configuring-your-5d-mark-iii-af-for-fast-action
 
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jrista said:
Eldar said:
jrista said:
neuroanatomist said:
jrista said:
I honestly do not believe any Canon or Nikon system currently has anything like flexible spot. I know there are the zone and all points modes, but when you pick a single AF point, as far as I know (and maybe the 1D X is different), only that one point will be used, regardless.

I think you are mistaken. Just to make sure we're on the same page here regarding the 5DIII (that page is p.77 from the 5DIII manual), with 61-pt auto selection in AI Servo, you manually select any single AF (1), and the AF system will track the subject across the array of AF points, switching points (2).

So again, can you please explain what is different about the Sony system?

Well, maybe it's just something up with my 5D III. It's currently in my hands. I'm looking at the top LCD, and it says "AI SERVO". When I look through the viewfinder, I see the AF display for One-Shot AF. I don't see any AF points displayed...I only see the brackets. If I move the joystick around, no AF point shows up or is selected. If I activate AF...THEN I see AF points.

So, your telling me that my 5D III isn't behaving properly....that sucks. :\ I guess I need to figure out what's wrong, because I haven't been using the all points mode because it doesn't always initially lock onto my subject properly, and I often miss shots. On the other hand, using single point selection mode is a PITA for BIF.
A tip worth trying is to toggle through the AF modes and try again when you get to the all-points mode. A couple of times and don´t ask me how it happens, I have seen what you describe. But for me it has been sufficient to toggle through the modes and try again.

I reset the camera, and tried that, and it still did not work. Then, I just hit the AF mode button (the one on the back, which you press first, before pressing M-Fn to actually switch modes), and moved the joystick. That worked. So, in most AF modes, you can just move the joystick, and the selected AF point moves. But in all points mode, you have to first hit mode, then use the joystick to move the AF point? Seems very tedious...

But, it does seem to work...mostly. It does initially lock onto the subject under my selected point...but it jumps a lot. As I track, it doesn't seem to really STICK to the originally selected subject...which is kind of annoying. I am not using my 600mm lens, though, so maybe it will work better on that.

I have to say, AI Servo with 61-pt auto is one of my most frequently used modes, it's C3 on my 'everyday' shooting setup. Great to be able to start at a lateral point, pick up a subject moving across the frame, and have the camera track that subject through the frame. The active AF points literally dance across the viewfinder.

When I look through the VF in AI Servo with 61-pt auto, I see a single point showing within the brackets (as I said, I have a different one set for each orientation). As is expected, you need to either tap the AF point select button or the tap the shutter button to move the AF point around with the joystick (that's true in One Shot or AI Servo - the AF system has to be active, and it times out with the metering timeout - although that is selectable on the 1-series).

At least you now know that something you've described as "pretty amazing" and also as "impressive" and "kick-ass" as a Sony 'innovation' is something your 5DIII has been able to do all along (although having the metering tied in as it is on the 1D X and 7DII is even better). :)
 
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Lee Jay said:
paumm2006 said:
Totally agree. I understand being disappointed about the rumors, as it seemed as if were the same, but now that the information is out there... ??? I guess some people like to ignore the facts and continue arguing their case.

People are complaining that it probably isn't different enough. They want on-sensor A-to-D and dramatically (factor of 4-8 or so) reduced low-ISO read noise which would provide up to 2-3 stops more base ISO dynamic range.

Personally, I don't care that much about low ISO DR, but reduced noise from any source is always a good thing.

It's likely that this sensor has similar base ISO DR to all previous Canon sensors. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think that's unlikely.

While some people are complaining as you describe, other continue saying "How could they put the same sensor? >:( ", which is kind of pathetic. However, lets forget those people and focus on the possibilities of the all-new 7D MKII sensor!! ;D
 
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jrista said:
I'm glad the feature does work...but it's annoying that it doesn't work like the other modes. In all the other modes I just have to use the joystick and it moves the AF point. In this mode, I first have to hit the AF mode button, then choose the point. I'm so deeply ingrained in the patterns I used with the 7D and the other AF modes on the 5D III...just tapping the joystick to move the point (which is probably why I didn't think you could select a point in all points mode...it works differently!! GRRR.) I can normally change my selected point in the middle of tracking a bird in flight...but this extra button push...really messes things up.
But that is how it works. Half press the shutter button, the focus point appears, use the joystick to move it where you want it. Next time you hit the shutter button, the point will reappear on the new spot you moved it to.
 
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The AF and metering specs sound pretty awesome, very good speed at 10fps too.
It should be quite the beast so long as you only shoot stills and stick to DR-limited scenes.
It does sound quite awesome in all those regards and those are all key points for 7D series.

It is a bit worrisome that the long delay was not due to waiting on a new sensor process though. Not critical maybe for the 7D2, but a clear shame it has the old 2007 low ISO sensor tech once again and it makes one start to get nervous now about the 5D4. And for those who can only afford one body and/or only want to carry one body, it is a shame, one body users will use this as their landscape camera too don't forget and now it is locked into old sensor tech for another 3-5 years it seems.

They totally punted on video though. It has the super video AF, but they remove the touch screen to control it!

“With more processing power than any other EOS camera available today.... ....And, recognizing that for some, creative expression may expand beyond still photography, we continue to support these creative passions by offering new and innovative Full HD video capabilities.”

And yet they cripple 4k out of it.

"Stunning Movie Capability"

And yet no 4k and no 1080P RAW so it's worse movie quality than 5D3+ML. And everybody and there brother is suddenly starting to release 4k cams, even Lumix P&S announced today has 4k. I guess they still feel Nikon is the only threat and since Nikon doesn't have 4k Canon won't bother, so much for being a leader and not a follower.

This also brings much worry about the 5D4. Will it also lack 4k and 1080pRAW (and thus actually be WORSE for video than the old 5D3?) or will it have a crippled 4k now? If they don't give it 4k and 1080pRAW why would anyone buy it for video over a 5D3?
 
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Anyone still wanting to use a DSLR for video can struggle with the GH4 and the A7S/Shogun. I don't care about DSLR video much anymore, it's handy, but any serious work (where quality matters) should be done on a proper cam at this point...the total costs of ownership aren't much higher once you've jury-rigged something together that can make a DSLR vaguely functional.

The worse problem is the 7D2 is as a stills camera not enough for Canon at this point. They still haven't leapt ahead of Nikon and Sony in this generation. The 7D2 is sort of a crop 5D3 with higher frame rate and a couple more modern touches. Canon still don't have a D800-competing big megapixel cam nor do they have another generation in low-light advantage they used to enjoy.

Maybe Canon are transitioning to medium format to gain a generational advantage and force us all to buy new glass. The FF135 and APS-C cams will be for sports/wildlife people and emphasize AF and HFR like this 7D2 does. Portrait and landscape will move to larger sensors. I'm not against that in principle, though repurchasing glass will hurt. But getting us to do that is the best way for Canon to make money and I don't deny them the right to make money.
 
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peederj said:
Maybe Canon are transitioning to medium format to gain a generational advantage and force us all to buy new glass. The FF135 and APS-C cams will be for sports/wildlife people and emphasize AF and HFR like this 7D2 does. Portrait and landscape will move to larger sensors. I'm not against that in principle, though repurchasing glass will hurt. But getting us to do that is the best way for Canon to make money and I don't deny them the right to make money.

looking at the MF market situation i doubt canon will make money that way.
there is well established competition already and canon had to invest a lot in R&D.

and if you want MF today you don´t need canon.
you have to buy new glass anyway.

MF will become a choice for canon when it´s cheap enough to produce for the mass market. maybe in 10 years.


ps:

and no, the cinema line is something different. there is much higher demand for cinema stuff then MF.
 
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jrista said:
Khalai said:
jrista said:
neuroanatomist said:
jrista said:
I honestly do not believe any Canon or Nikon system currently has anything like flexible spot. I know there are the zone and all points modes, but when you pick a single AF point, as far as I know (and maybe the 1D X is different), only that one point will be used, regardless.

I think you are mistaken. Just to make sure we're on the same page here regarding the 5DIII (that page is p.77 from the 5DIII manual), with 61-pt auto selection in AI Servo, you manually select any single AF (1), and the AF system will track the subject across the array of AF points, switching points (2).

So again, can you please explain what is different about the Sony system?

Well, maybe it's just something up with my 5D III. It's currently in my hands. I'm looking at the top LCD, and it says "AI SERVO". When I look through the viewfinder, I see the AF display for One-Shot AF. I don't see any AF points displayed...I only see the brackets. If I move the joystick around, no AF point shows up or is selected. If I activate AF...THEN I see AF points.

Manual, p. 74:

With 61-point automatic selection AF, you can set the starting AF point for AI Servo AF

Right. It doesn't seem to work on my particular 5D III. :(

Are you sure you on 61AF points + Ai servo?

Mine works just like others mentioned. I used 61AF points in BIF.
 
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Orangutan said:
Quest for Light said:
Orangutan said:
We already know the Sonikon sensors are better at low ISO.
a better sensor does not care what you shoot.

Yes, actually it does matter. The measurable advantages of Sonikon sensors disappear around ISO800-1600, and Canon sensors take a slight lead after that. Sports are typically shot at higher ISOs.

If you're shooting at high ISO's then you shouldn't be shooting crop.
 
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paumm2006 said:
While some people are complaining as you describe, other continue saying "How could they put the same sensor? >:( ", which is kind of pathetic. However, lets forget those people and focus on the possibilities of the all-new 7D MKII sensor!! ;D

Indeed. But let us not forget the all new 18 MP APS-C sensor in the T4i/650D (all new because of Hybrid CMOS AF) or the all new 18 MP APS-C sensor in the SL1/100D (all new because of Hybrid CMOS AF II).

:-X
 
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jrista said:
The selected point appears when I activate AF (I use rear-button AF). However, I cannot move it until I first hit the AF mode selection button...then that frees the AF point to be moved somewhere else with the joystick. In other modes, I just have to activate AF, then I can move the selected point with the joystick without the intermediate requirement of pressing AF mode first.
Check how you have set it up. On the last of the AF menus you have numerous options on what you would like to see. With Camera powered on, I can see the position of the chosen focus point in the viewfinder, but I can´t move it until I have hit the shutter button or the AF or AF mode buttons at the back, which is the same with all the other modes.
 
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