*UPDATE* More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

[AvTvM]

The gist of what I'm getting from reading these forums is that what people want are the features and specs of the 5D3. They just don't want to pay the >$3K price tag for it.
But really: If Canon put out a 6D with the same 5D3 sensor and a slightly worse AF system/burst rate and priced it under $2K, who is going to pay the $1K+ premium for a 5D3?

Right. Not much wrong with the 5D III as a product. Except ... the price. 3.5k was ludicrous all along. I still cannot see anything that would justify any premium over the Nikon D800 at all. Rather the other way round.

Same with the 6D. If it is lower specced than the Nikon D600 its gotta be cheaper than the Nikon. If not .. I will not consider it. I may or may not switch to Nikon. But I will definitely not buy underspecced and overpriced Canon bodies.

 

[Zlatko]

The gist of what I'm getting from reading these forums is that what people want are the features and specs of the 5D3. They just don't want to pay the >$3K price tag for it.

Yes, and this is a standard complaint heard with every new product introduction. Some people will never be happy until Canon introduces products with absolutely premium quality and features but with incredibly low bargain prices. They want Leica quality at Tamron prices. They want Lexus quality at Chevy prices. This is exemplified by people who say, in essence, "The 5D3 [in features & quality] is what the 5D2 should have been, and the 5D2 price is what the 5D3 price should have been." Well, that's just not going to happen.

People seem to think that features and prices are all just a clever marketing pulled out of thin air. They forget that it actually costs a great deal to develop and build any decent photo gear, and every extra detail costs a manufacturer something, whether it is engineering resources, testing time, material costs, production time, service costs, etc. If another manufacturer is offering some extra detail at lower cost, you can bet they are cutting costs somewhere else, diminishing their product in some other way. There is no free lunch.

Anyone in business (including many photographers) knows that extra quality, extra features and extra service is always going to cost more. If the 6D is targeted for a lower price point — if it is the "economy full-frame" — then it will necessarily offer some compromises. Some people will find it a good compromise and others won't.

 

[distant.star]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

Here we go again... round two of offer me a 5D Mark III with extra features for half the price or I will go to Nikon forever!

Flame on.

After three pages of comments, apparently not. Nothing even close to your stated desires. Sorry.

 

[simonxu11]

Right. Not much wrong with the 5D III as a product. Except ... the price. 3.5k was ludicrous all along. I still cannot see anything that would justify any premium over the Nikon D800 at all. Rather the other way round.

Same with the 6D. If it is lower specced than the Nikon D600 its gotta be cheaper than the Nikon. If not .. I will not consider it. I may or may not switch to Nikon. But I will definitely not buy underspecced and overpriced Canon bodies.

+1

 

[surfbum]

Canon 5D Mark 2 has now fallen to a remarkable $1680 from my favourite camera store, making it a pretty attractive entry-level FF camera.
If a 6D is going to be priced higher than that, then it will obviously need to have the extra features to justify it.

It's all very exciting and I'm so glad I didn't pull the trigger on a 5Dll 2 months ago

 

[jfretless]

Right. Not much wrong with the 5D III as a product. Except ... the price. 3.5k was ludicrous all along. I still cannot see anything that would justify any premium over the Nikon D800 at all. Rather the other way round.

Same with the 6D. If it is lower specced than the Nikon D600 its gotta be cheaper than the Nikon. If not .. I will not consider it. I may or may not switch to Nikon. But I will definitely not buy underspecced and overpriced Canon bodies.

+1

24MP vs. 22MP
5.5FPS vs. 4.5FPS
39AF Points vs. 19AF Points
$1500 vs. $$? (surely more than the D600)

I hope these rumors are wrong, because as it stands now, how could I justify waiting for Canon to release a lower spec, more expensive camera? Looks like I'm going to run two systems.

 

[nicku]

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<p><strong>*UPDATE*


</strong>As far as the EOS 6D goes, I’ve been told a few things about the specs previously posted.</p>
<ul>
<li>Does not have a flip out screen</li>
<li>It’s 4.5fps not 4.9</li>
<li>No built in flash</li>
</ul>
<p>It’s possible that 2 cameras are being mixed up and showing up in one spec list.</p>
<p><strong>More talk about an upcoming 6D


</strong>We have received a larger spec list in regards to a forthcoming Canon EOS 6D. This camera will come in between the 7D and the 5D Mark III and replace the 5D Mark II</p>
<p><strong>Specs


</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>22MP full frame</li>
<li>Flip out screen, Built in flash</li>
<li>19 pt AF, 63 zone metering</li>
<li>Single Digic 5+</li>
<li>4.9 fps (Also heard 4.5fps)</li>
<li>3 inch LCD (We’d previously heard touchscreen)</li>
<li>ISO 12,800</li>
<li>New battery and grip – new GPS and WiFi grip option.</li>
<li>Built in ‘connectivity and sharing’ software</li>
</ul>
<p>This looks similar to what [<a href=\"http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_6d.html\" target=\"_blank\">NL</a>] also received. I also agree with Northlight that the camera spec rumors don’t quite feel “real” yet. Take this spec list with a grain of salt.</p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>

With those specs is very , very possible to say BYE BYE to the 7D replacement, and a moved up 70D as king of APS-C.

But i still hope to see a 7D2 as a direct 1DX backup or a dedicated sports/ wildlife cheaper alternative with crop frame sensor (APS-H or APS-C).

 

[moreorless]

The gist of what I'm getting from reading these forums is that what people want are the features and specs of the 5D3. They just don't want to pay the >$3K price tag for it.

But really: If Canon put out a 6D with the same 5D3 sensor and a slightly worse AF system/burst rate and priced it under $2K, who is going to pay the $1K+ premium for a 5D3?

This is of course true with any product but that doesnt mean the best busienss move is dropping the price provided there is a market who do want to buy the camera.

The D6 vs D600 situation seems to be more of a potential problem than the 5D3 vs D800 to me, with the latter the Canon did offer some clear advanatges(higher FPS, argubley superior video and AF) plus alot of users were already commited to there system anyway. With the former though the D600 seems to outspec the D6 across the board plus both are marketed towards users who do not have a commitment to a FF system.

Still I wouldnt rule out a very cheap 6D, Canon's tactics in the past have afterall been to price high at the pro end and low at the comsumer end. Specs wise the 6D seems "crippled" enough not to hurt 5D3 sales much and if the rumours for the 7D2 are correct(1DX level AF, 10 FPS) then I'd say both cameras at a similar price or perhaps even the 7D2 for a little more seem possible.

 

[adhocphotographer]

5DII sensor with 7D AF sounds great to me... sure the mkIII is miles better in terms of ISO, FPS and maybe even IQ... i think it makes sense... the price however will make or break it... i can't see it being cheaper then the 5d II.

 

[NotABunny]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

WOW, I would be again so happy that canon put more than 1 AF point and a superb sesnor with great dynamic range of 5EV Maybe they use some 15 year old sensor and tune it by 0,25 EV. Great! Hope that the upgrade will be beyond a new facebook button on the back.

Obviously Canon is living on a different planet... not hearing of Sony's announcement(s), eh...

 

[nicku]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

WOW, I would be again so happy that canon put more than 1 AF point and a superb sesnor with great dynamic range of 5EV Maybe they use some 15 year old sensor and tune it by 0,25 EV. Great! Hope that the upgrade will be beyond a new facebook button on the back.

Obviously Canon is living on a different planet... not hearing of Sony's announcement and all, eh...

I believe Canon count on superior lens quality and diversity (compared with all competition) when they put the price tag on the new cameras.

 

[NotABunny]

The gist of what I'm getting from reading these forums is that what people want are the features and specs of the 5D3. They just don't want to pay the >$3K price tag for it.

Yes, and this is a standard complaint heard with every new product introduction. Some people will never be happy until Canon introduces products with absolutely premium quality and features but with incredibly low bargain prices. They want Leica quality at Tamron prices. They want Lexus quality at Chevy prices. This is exemplified by people who say, in essence, "The 5D3 [in features & quality] is what the 5D2 should have been, and the 5D2 price is what the 5D3 price should have been." Well, that's just not going to happen.

Actually people will never be happy until Canon brings the competition's features for the competition's price. Considering what Sony just announced (not just the A99), Canon is obviously living in lala land. Sure, people who make money out of photography and who control their lighting, will continue to buy Canon (because of the lens selection), but the world of technology has shown that those who limit themselves to professionals do not survive as big companies.

 

[Bosman]

Banter Banter. Lets have a mini 1dx. To make an entry level full Frame camera is going to be tricky to figure out what compromises there will be. I would like to know the dollar amount of the AF system Canon allocates to the 5dm3 and 1dx. If it is pricey then perhaps a FF with the 7d focus system is enough of a dollar compromise.

 

[Marsu42]

Considering what Sony just announced (not just the A99), Canon is obviously living in lala land.

Well, this is part of the $3500 5d3 vs $2800 d800 debate - Canon obviously figures that they cannot compete directly anyway and try to milk their pro and old-school amateur (i.e. no evf) customer base with premium products while keeping the grip in the sub-$1000 with mirrorless and lv af. For professionals that are running a successful business this doesn't matter, but I think Canon is prepared to loose some budget enthusiasts to the competition. Pity Nikon and Sony don't run Magic Lantern though...

 

[Stuart]

Re the update, shame there is no flip out flash :-(

 

[samirachiko]

A full frame with ONLY 12800 iso??? If it will be so, NO thanks! Save money for the 5D mk3...

 

[Marsu42]

A full frame with ONLY 12800 iso??? If it will be so, NO thanks! Save money for the 5D mk3...

I'd be ok with this limitation if the iso 12800 is the same as on the 5d3 - I cannot imagine shooting at higher iso values anyway.

 

[bbasiaga]

A full frame with ONLY 12800 iso??? If it will be so, NO thanks! Save money for the 5D mk3...

I'd be ok with this limitation if the iso 12800 is the same as on the 5d3 - I cannot imagine shooting at higher iso values anyway.

I'm with you there...if the 12800 is as usable as the MKIIIs, and it has AFMA, this could be a great deal.

-Brian

 

[hmmm]

High ISO / Nikon D600 price at least 2k per NR!


Canon 6D: I was puzzled by the high ISO of 12,800 at first also, but the companion rumor at NL (which appeared earlier in the day, btw) says "12800 top ISO (+H1 and H2)". So it will likely have 12800 with a couple stops expansion by custom function setting, which makes more sense.

Nikon D600 Price -- The latest at NR shows the price in Japan at roughly $2700 -- which will likely translate to an actual US price of maybe $2k -- $2.2k for body only.

The great cheap FF fantasy is dissolving before my eyes... Reality is starting to set in....

 

[unfocused]

Re: High ISO / Nikon D600 price at least 2k per NR!

...
Nikon D600 Price -- The latest at NR shows the price in Japan at roughly $2700 -- which will likely translate to an actual US price of maybe $2k -- $2.2k for body only.

The great cheap FF fantasy is dissolving before my eyes... Reality is starting to set in....

Always thought the low price being quoted seemed unrealistic. If things play out like it looks they will, D600 and 6D will be very similarly spec'd and similarly priced. While it should, it won't stop the whiners and flamers.