Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II

marinien said:
neuroanatomist said:
jrista said:
Eldar said:
jrista said:
neuroanatomist said:
jrista said:
I honestly do not believe any Canon or Nikon system currently has anything like flexible spot. I know there are the zone and all points modes, but when you pick a single AF point, as far as I know (and maybe the 1D X is different), only that one point will be used, regardless.

I think you are mistaken. Just to make sure we're on the same page here regarding the 5DIII (that page is p.77 from the 5DIII manual), with 61-pt auto selection in AI Servo, you manually select any single AF (1), and the AF system will track the subject across the array of AF points, switching points (2).

So again, can you please explain what is different about the Sony system?

Well, maybe it's just something up with my 5D III. It's currently in my hands. I'm looking at the top LCD, and it says "AI SERVO". When I look through the viewfinder, I see the AF display for One-Shot AF. I don't see any AF points displayed...I only see the brackets. If I move the joystick around, no AF point shows up or is selected. If I activate AF...THEN I see AF points.

So, your telling me that my 5D III isn't behaving properly....that sucks. :\ I guess I need to figure out what's wrong, because I haven't been using the all points mode because it doesn't always initially lock onto my subject properly, and I often miss shots. On the other hand, using single point selection mode is a PITA for BIF.
A tip worth trying is to toggle through the AF modes and try again when you get to the all-points mode. A couple of times and don´t ask me how it happens, I have seen what you describe. But for me it has been sufficient to toggle through the modes and try again.

I reset the camera, and tried that, and it still did not work. Then, I just hit the AF mode button (the one on the back, which you press first, before pressing M-Fn to actually switch modes), and moved the joystick. That worked. So, in most AF modes, you can just move the joystick, and the selected AF point moves. But in all points mode, you have to first hit mode, then use the joystick to move the AF point? Seems very tedious...

But, it does seem to work...mostly. It does initially lock onto the subject under my selected point...but it jumps a lot. As I track, it doesn't seem to really STICK to the originally selected subject...which is kind of annoying. I am not using my 600mm lens, though, so maybe it will work better on that.

I have to say, AI Servo with 61-pt auto is one of my most frequently used modes, it's C3 on my 'everyday' shooting setup. Great to be able to start at a lateral point, pick up a subject moving across the frame, and have the camera track that subject through the frame. The active AF points literally dance across the viewfinder.

When I look through the VF in AI Servo with 61-pt auto, I see a single point showing within the brackets (as I said, I have a different one set for each orientation). As is expected, you need to either tap the AF point select button or the tap the shutter button to move the AF point around with the joystick (that's true in One Shot or AI Servo - the AF system has to be active, and it times out with the metering timeout - although that is selectable on the 1-series).

At least you now know that something you've described as "pretty amazing" and also as "impressive" and "kick-ass" as a Sony 'innovation' is something your 5DIII has been able to do all along (although having the metering tied in as it is on the 1D X and 7DII is even better). :)

Wait ... sorry to come back to this: this feature was already implemented in the 7D (yes, the one which was out in 2009, page 90 user's manual). If I am not wrong, the 7D is the first Canon dSLR which has this feature. And just like Neuro, this was one of my most frequently used mode :D

Indeed. I think many people just ignore the auto AF point selection modes entirely, not knowing about this capability even if they've used a camera for years.

Bodies that have weaker tracking ability (xxxD, 5DII, 6D) can only initiate Servo from the center AF point when in auto AF point selection mode, but even those will 'hand off' to an outer point (or try to). But certainly Canon AF systems have had automatic point switching during tracking for many years, with the addition of metering data being a recent addition (2 years ago). Sony's 'innovation' that jrista was touting is merely coming up with a specific name ('Lock-on AF' for auto point switching, 'flexible spot' is Sony's name for what Canon calls AF point expansion) for a feature new to him, even though it's something Canon (and Nikon) cameras have done for years.
 
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whothafunk said:
KacperP said:
Noise performance is noticeably better than 7D.
Maybe I'm wrong but 60D/7D noise @ ISO 3200 is similar to 7D2 noise @ ISO 12800
Canon sample pictures, eh? 3200ISO on 70D (portrait sax guy) was clean as a whistle, real world images are far from the truth. That squirrel at 3200ISO look pretty good, but 1- its daylight and 2- Canon sample pictures.

Still, you are saying 7D2 has 2 stop ISO advantage over the 60D. that's ludicrous.
3x NO
I checked samples from other sources. I'm not sure if they want to be mentioned here.
As I said "noise will tell", and now it does... at least for me :)
 
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Re: Japanese website 7D sensor description vs 70D

I google translated 7D and 70D product page on Canon Japan.

And found that description for both sensors are very similar
Similarities are: photo diode efficiency due to new semiconductor process, better SN ratio and gapless lens structure.
Difference: Penetrability of colour filter increased. SN ratio improvement is more implicitly mentioned.

My conclusion is:
'Improved' 70D sensor coupled with Digic 6 -> higher ISO.

Sample picture on Canon Japan only goes upto 6400. Quick glance: It does not seem that much better than 70D..
 
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jrista said:
in_04 said:
Are there some japan speaking (reading) people there?
On web.canon.jp site is lot of information about the 7D Mark II
http://cweb.canon.jp/eos/lineup/7dmk2/feature-highquality.html

or this
imageprocess.jpg


The google translation isn't great, but if right the sensor is made in a new process
The new process introduced in the CMOS semiconductor process
Order to ensure aperture ratio of the photodiode (photoelectric conversion efficiency) up and introduce low-profile and a new technical refinement process in CMOS semiconductor process. I was able by optimizing the device structure, to increase the light collection efficiency of the photodiode further. As a result, in spite of the pixel size reduced by the number of pixels, we have achieved high ISO sensitivity, low noise and a wide dynamic range.

I'm curious what the part between the ADC's and the DIGICs is...
Hi jrista,
try to google translate the description
デジタル
フロントエンド
処理回路

But it didn't give a useful hint:
Digital
Front-end
Processing circuit

On the A/D units the text is:
A/D 変換用
フロントエンド
処理回路
which gives:
A/D conversion
Front-end Processing circuit
 
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Canon Rumors said:
<p>The Canon EOS 7D Mark II digital SLR camera is designed to meet the demands of photographers and videographers who want a camera that can provide a wide range of artistic opportunities. With a winning combination of cutting-edge operations and a robust, ergonomic design, it is optimized to make even the most challenging photography simple and easy. The EOS 7D Mark II features a refined APS-C sized 20.2 Megapixel CMOS sensor with Dual DIGIC 6 Image Processors for gorgeous imagery. It shoots up to 10 frames per second at ISOs ranging from 100–16000 (expandable to H1: 25600, H2: 51200), has a 65-point* all cross-type AF system and features Canon’s amazing Dual Pixel CMOS AF for brilliant Live-View AF. It has dual card slots for both CF and SD cards, USB 3.0 connectivity and even has built-in ***** for easy location tagging, automatically. Compatible with an ever-expanding collection of EF and EF-S lenses plus a host of EOS accessories, the EOS 7D Mark II is an ideal tool for creative and ambitious photography.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/7d21.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-17287" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/7d21.jpg" alt="7d21" width="500" height="397" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Canon EOS 7D Mark II Features</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>20.2 Megapixel CMOS (APS-C) sensor and ISO 100–16000 (expandable to H1: 25600, H2: 51200) for reduced noise at high ISOs and high performance Dual DIGIC 6 Image Processors for outstanding image quality and processing speed.</li>
<li>High speed continuous shooting up to 10.0 fps allows you to capture fast action.</li>
<li>65-point* all cross-type AF system for high-performance, accurate subject tracking with EV -3 sensitivity (center point) for focusing in extreme low-light conditions.</li>
<li>Canon’s innovative Dual Pixel CMOS AF enables you to shoot video like a camcorder with smooth, fast, and accurate autofocus and lets you enjoy instant and precise autofocus even when shooting stills.</li>
<li>Stunning Full HD video with Custom Movie Servo AF (speed and sensitivity) for continuous focus tracking of moving subjects, multiple frame rates including Full HD recording at 60p in MOV and MP4 formats and uncompressed HDMI out.</li>
<li>Intelligent Viewfinder II provides approximately 100% field of view for shooting ease.</li>
<li>Improved custom controls and built-in intervalometer and bulb timer for expanded creativity.</li>
<li>Magnesium alloy body with shutter durability up to 200,000 cycles and enhanced dust and weather resistance.</li>
<li>EOS Scene Detection System features a new 150,000-pixel/RGB+IR metering sensor for improved precision.</li>
<li>Built-in ***** Receiver provides a digital compass, records location information (longitude, latitude, elevation and universal coordinated time (UTC)) as EXIF information for geotagging images when shooting.</li>
<li>3.0-inch Clear View II LCD monitor (approximately 1,040,000 dots) for bright and clear viewing.</li>
<li>Additional Features</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>20.2 Megapixel CMOS (APS-C) sensor and ISO 100–16000</strong>


The EOS 7D Mark II has a newly designed 20.2 Megapixel sensor that delivers high-resolution image files with stunning detail and impressive clarity. Optimized for low-light shooting, the EOS 7D Mark II’s sensor captures images at up to ISO 16000 (expandable to H1: 25600, H2: 51200) with remarkably low noise, thanks to its improved, higher sensitivity design. Phenomenal for stills, the EOS 7D Mark II’s sensor is equally up to the task for movies, delivering Full HD capture even at rates of up to 60p.</p>
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<p><strong>Dual DIGIC 6 Image Processors</strong>


The EOS 7D Mark II’s sensor works seamlessly with its Dual DIGIC 6 Image Processors for advanced image processing across the board. These image processors help the EOS 7D Mark II capture up to 1090 JPEG, 31 RAW, and 19 RAW + JPEG shots in a single burst for amazing action photography. Further, they enable the camera’s powerful image processing on-the-fly: lens aberration, variances in peripheral illumination and image distortion can all be corrected in real time thanks to the EOS 7D Mark II’s Dual DIGIC 6 Image Processors.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/7d23.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-17289" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/7d23.jpg" alt="7d23" width="500" height="402" /></a></p>
<p><strong>High speed continuous shooting up to 10.0 fps allows you to capture fast action</strong>


With a new, rugged shutter designed for 200,000 cycles, the EOS 7D Mark II can shoot up to 10 frames per second to capture all the action. With super quick AF and exposure systems complementing the shutter’s 55 msec shutter release time lag, the EOS 7D Mark II is tailored to meet and even exceed the speed of the action. Refined mechanics like a newly designed, more efficient shutter-drive motor and a vibration dampened mirror drive mean impressive performance for high caliber image quality, fast.</p>
<p><strong>Sophisticated Mirror Control System</strong>


The EOS 7D Mark II camera employs an advanced mirror vibration control technology that enables the camera to support its speedy, continuous shooting capabilities while ensuring great image quality. The system uses a motor to help reduce the vibrations caused by high-speed shooting. By reducing the vibrations, the camera can achieve accurate and precise autofocus to provide steady and clear action shots at up to 10.0 frames per second.</p>
<p><strong>65-point* all cross-type AF system for high-performance, accurate subject tracking with EV -3 sensitivity (center point) for </strong><strong>focusing in extreme low-light conditions</strong>


An EOS first, the EOS 7D Mark II features 65 all cross-type AF points* for high precision AF at remarkable speed. Cross-type AF points ensure stable AF that is not influenced by the subject’s shape or color. On the EOS 7D Mark II, the AF points are spread over a wide area of the frame, enabling faster AF, wherever the subject lies. With a central dual cross-type AF point of f/2.8, AF is enhanced with lenses faster than f/2.8. And thanks to this new system, AF is possible even in dim lighting as low as EV-3.</p>
<p><strong>Canon’s innovative Dual Pixel CMOS AF enables you to shoot video like a camcorder with smooth, fast, and accurate autofocus </strong><strong>and lets you enjoy instant and precise autofocus even when shooting stills </strong>


The EOS 7D Mark II features Canon’s revolutionary Dual Pixel CMOS AF, a milestone in AF speed and accuracy that unlocks the potential of Live View shooting. This advanced technology has truly changed what is possible with a DSLR camera. Dual Pixel CMOS AF involves a sophisticated rethinking of the CMOS sensor. Traditionally, image sensors have one photodiode per pixel for recording, but the CMOS sensor on the EOS 7D Mark II has two photodiodes per pixel, 40 million in total, enabling each pixel on the sensor to both perform phase-difference detection autofocus and capture light. With phase-difference detection AF, autofocus is achieved quickly and easily on the camera. This unique AF system enables autofocus on approximately 80% of the image plane, vertically and horizontally, and helps ensure virtually no loss in image quality.</p>
<p><strong>Stunning Full HD video with custom Movie Servo AF (speed and sensitivity) for continuous focus tracking of moving subjects, </strong>


<strong>multiple frame rates including Full HD recording at 60p in MOV and MP4 formats and uncompressed HDMI out</strong>


While offering performance improvements across the board for still photography, the EOS 7D Mark II is also an incredibly capable HD movie camera. Taking advantage of its Dual Pixel CMOS AF capabilities, the EOS 7D Mark II has customizable Movie Servo AF options: not only can AF location be defined, AF speed and tracking intervals can be specified too, for fluid, smooth focus transitions. The EOS 7D Mark II delivers refined and detailed image quality with Full HD 60P recording at ISO values up to 16000, has an HDMI output and records to both SD and CF cards for versatility and security during important shoots.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/7d22.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-17288" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/7d22.jpg" alt="7d22" width="500" height="334" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Intelligent Viewfinder II provides approximately 100% field of view for shooting ease</strong>


The EOS 7D Mark II’s Intelligent Viewfinder II makes it easy to both shoot, change and confirm camera settings and shooting modes all without looking away from the viewfinder. Displaying approximately 100% of the composition, the viewfinder can show settings like shooting mode, exposure level, white balance, drive mode, AF operation, metering mode, recording format, even an electronic level and more. All of this information can be displayed by or superimposed easily over the image for review while shooting, and multiple views are customizable through the EOS 7D Mark II’s simple user interface.</p>
<p><strong>Improved custom controls and built-in intervalometer and bulb timer for expanded creativity</strong>


An EOS first, the EOS 7D Mark II offers time-lapse fixed-point shooting and long exposures without the need for a remote control. The EOS 7D Mark II’s interval timer takes from 1 to 99 shots at preselected intervals, ideal for shooting flowers as they bloom or clouds drifting through the sky. Its built-in bulb timer keeps the shutter open for a designated amount of time, perfect for night photography, or to capture the flow of traffic on a street corner.</p>
<p><strong>Magnesium alloy body with shutter durability up to 200,000 cycles and enhanced dust and weather resistance</strong>


The EOS 7D Mark II is constructed of the highest quality materials, and to exacting standards that ensure unfettered performance at all times. For example, the shutter can shoot at speeds up to 1/8000 sec. for up to 200,000 cycles, the chassis is built of lightweight and rigid magnesium, and the camera’s seals are built to resist water and dust. This combination makes the EOS 7D Mark II ready for almost anything.</p>
<p><strong>EOS Scene Detection System features a new 150,000-pixel RGB+IR Metering Sensor for improved precision</strong>


The EOS 7D Mark II has an amazing iSA Intelligent Subject Analysis system that employs an independent RGB light sensor with approximately 150,000-pixel resolution. This sensor enables Canon’s intelligent Tracking and Recognition system (iTR AF) that detects and tracks subjects, automatically switching the AF point to optimize tracking. With new tracking algorithms tailored to recognize faces and colors, this system serves as a brilliant foundation to the EOS 7D Mark II’s AF system.</p>
<p><strong>Anti-flicker shooting</strong>


The EOS 7D Mark II features a new flicker detection system that not only alerts the user in the viewfinder, but with the camera’s Anti-Flicker Shooting function can compensate for flickering light sources, taking shots only at peak light volume. This feature is useful for minimizing disparities in color and exposure, especially during continuous shooting in sub-optimal lighting situations.</p>
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Four years... for this?

And I still not see improvements like that: YOU SHOULD ASK FOR MORE DYNAMIC RANGE, LESS NOISE, BETTER IMAGE QUALITY, AND FREE THE MEMORY, REMOVING THIS USELESS MOVIE SW.

Others ask for BLINKING problems... GLOWING BUTTONS... THAT´S WHY NOBODY TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY... GLOWING BUTTONS... shshsh
 
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acorigli said:
Four years... for this?

And I still not see improvements like that: YOU SHOULD ASK FOR MORE DYNAMIC RANGE, LESS NOISE, BETTER IMAGE QUALITY, AND FREE THE MEMORY, REMOVING THIS USELESS MOVIE SW.

Others ask for BLINKING problems... GLOWING BUTTONS... THAT´S WHY NOBODY TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY... GLOWING BUTTONS... shshsh

Actually, nobody takes you seriously. Thanks for playing. Run along now, your temper tantrums indicate that it's past your bedtime.
 
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Eldar said:
Too tempting to pass, so I pushed the order button. Looking forward to verify its high(er) ISO performance and how it works on the 200-400 f4L IS 1.4x and 600 f4L IS II lenses. Looks very promising to me, especially the AF system.

Good to know your G.A.S still there Eldar ;)

I'm working on my 200mm f2 IS
 
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Hillsilly said:
acorigli said:
Four years... for this?
Perhaps you can show us your D300s update and we'll compare them side by side. Oh...sorry, I forgot. Nikon don't make DX cameras for sports and wildlife photographers anymore.

While true... that has hardly anything to do with the 7D MK2.

I won´t say look at the specs of the NX1 because then i will only hear "but the Canon lens collection".

Fact is Canon could have included better features into the cam.
Give it more than a great AF.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
123Photog said:
Fact is Canon could have included better features into the cam.
Give it more than a great AF.

Such as a 150,000-pixel RGB+IR metering sensor, perhaps? ::)

well that´s again great help for tracking AF i guess.

as far as metering goes, i never had metering problems with my canons.
so it´s a solution for a problem i don´t have.

canon is perfecting features that are in the cameras already and that´s ok.
but there are things that could have made it into the camera.
focus peaking, zebras, 4k, wifi, RT controller etc.

that´s mostly stuff cheaper cameras offfer. :-\
 
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lol, thanks for your input.

"The EOS 7D Mark II delivers refined and detailed EOS movie image quality with
Full HD 60p (59.94 fps NTSC), and even 50.00 fps (PAL), recording at ISO values up to
16000 (Dual Pixel CMOS AF is not available when shooting at 60p). At these frame
rates, even a fast-moving subject looks looks smooth in HD."

It's mentioned along with 16,000 ISO. Is it only non-functional while using high iso? Or not at all in 1080 60p?

I should have clarified more, I should have known you'd be sitting on here all day waiting for it!
 
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rdc said:
lol, thanks for your input.

"The EOS 7D Mark II delivers refined and detailed EOS movie image quality with
Full HD 60p (59.94 fps NTSC), and even 50.00 fps (PAL), recording at ISO values up to
16000 (Dual Pixel CMOS AF is not available when shooting at 60p). At these frame
rates, even a fast-moving subject looks looks smooth in HD."

It's mentioned along with 16,000 ISO. Is it only non-functional while using high iso? Or not at all in 1080 60p?

I should have clarified more, I should have known you'd be sitting on here all day waiting for it!

mhm.... no DPAF at 60p would sure suck.
 
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