Exactly, but I think you’re missing the point. I’m showing just how heavy a comparable Cine 135 is to show that a stills version will be/should be much lighter. Especially when you compare even just the Cine versions of two similar lenses between the two manufacturers.Canon Cinema Prime CN-E 85mm T1.3 L F (EF Mount) Lens = 2.87lbs
So there's that. 2 lbs lighter for the Canon and for a faster lens. Right?
There's a big difference in materials and construction between a Cine and a regular old FF stills lens. Brand to brand differences are also huge sometimes. Comparing Tokina vs Canon just doesn't fly too well.
Patent: Canon RF 135mm f/1.4L USM
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My Sigma 135 1.8 is nearly perfect(picture quality), the AF is good enough to use it also for indoor sports. The size and weight are good for 5D/1D bodies. The only thing that can be improved can be done with ... IBIS.
135 1.4 can't have faster focus than 1.8/2.0 due the big elements. It will be also heavy, big and expensive. I'ts too much for me. I would appreciate more for example more compact 180/2.0 (not big and heavy white style as 200/2 please).
135 1.4 can't have faster focus than 1.8/2.0 due the big elements. It will be also heavy, big and expensive. I'ts too much for me. I would appreciate more for example more compact 180/2.0 (not big and heavy white style as 200/2 please).
No, just as the 135/2 and 200/2.8 are practically the same lens, the 135/1.4 and 200/2 will be too. Canon's clearly prioritizing light weight in the big tele's now, so the 135/1.4 may weigh a lot less than the old EF 200/2, but will be approx the same as the next 200/2 we see from Canon whether EF or RF.
And likewise, I agree Canon's trying to get a bit of a premium on the RF lenses in general, and for an RF lens that's a show-stopper (f/2 zoom, or the sharpness of the 50/1.2) there's also a "show-stopper premium." Any manufacturer charges more for the latest greatest and discounts old items a bit. And finally sales figures are evaporating meaning that whatever IS made will have its R&D amortized over far fewer units.
Throw all that together and I'd be comfortable betting you or anyone a beer that an RF 135/1.4 is going to initially be at least US$500 more than the EF 200/2.
Wouldn't it be nice to fit it with extenders?
1,4 X Ext + 1,4/135: 190mm f2
2 X Ext + 1,4/135: 270mm f2,8
1,4 X Ext + 1,4/135: 190mm f2
2 X Ext + 1,4/135: 270mm f2,8
Yes! I had the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L II and the 2X. It was a real chore to AFMA that combo for me. With mirrorless, no problem.
Exactly, and that's why I'm shocked people are saying, oh no, the 135/1.4 will be MUCH cheaper than a 200/2 or 300/2.8.
No it bloody won't, because as you point out, it IS a 200/2 or 300/2.8, at least with a relatively cheap TC...
This thing is going to weigh 3 pounds and cost $3500. No thanks, I’ll stick with my EF 135 f/2 I picked up for $600. Where are the affordable RF primes? It’s going on two years now....
I'm waiting, not for "affordable" but at least "always-in-the-backpack portable". That said, takes years to engineer an entire outfit that's all things to all people.
Had they started with the 35/2 and 50/1.8 you can get for any system in the last 60 years, it wouldn't have people rushing to the new system like the f/2 zoom or 10x sharper 50/1.2 did. So I don't fault them starting with the lenses they did.
I also wouldn't pull the "going on two years thing" if it's only been 15 months (correct me if I'm wrong). Two years is 60% longer than what I calculate it's been. Ten lenses in 15 months is almost bewildering. A lens every six weeks for over a year? Granted the EF rollout had 13 lens + 1 TC in 1987, but there was no adapter to use older lenses.
I will make one critique of the RF release and that's probably that they could have or should have made it a complete system for SOMEBODY from the get-go. That could be sport, nature, portraiture, wedding, but the obvious category would be reportage, with the trinity zooms from day one. Nearly all shooters in other categories will have one or more of these zooms.
BTW, if you can cope with manual focus, a Chinese brand Kipon has a line of f/2.4 primes: 24 28 35 50 75 90. Bic Camera in Tokyo doesn't stock them in the store, they're web-shop only, and web-shop doesn't do returns, but in principle its an interesting option. I'm shooting my Leica 35/1.4 on my RF and could see a 90/2.4 giving me a reasonable vacation/beach outfit.