PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor

[privatebydesign]

I think, posts like this will be common in the coming days. Canon is just playing a dangerous game IMO (just saw this post in a local fb group)

I think he lives in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks that stuff is worth close to $11,500 as a kit or individually. But good luck to him on his sales and new system.

 

[LonelyBoy]

I think, posts like this will be common in the coming days. Canon is just playing a dangerous game IMO (just saw this post in a local fb group)

Awesome. Hopefully someone (or a lot of someones) are spurred to change, and the price of a lightly used 5D4 plummets and I can pick one up and shoot it until it dies in a decade. It wouldn't break my heart even slightly if Nikon forced Canon to lose some of its pricing power and C had to really compete.

Of course I have my doubts this will happen, just like AMD had a great little run with the Athlon a decade and a half ago and didn't really manage to hurt Intel with it.

 

[Loswr]

I think, posts like this will be common in the coming days. Canon is just playing a dangerous game IMO (just saw this post in a local fb group)

It seems his 1DII and 5DII bodies have served him well for close to a decade. I hope his new system serves him that well.

 

[jester73]

I have a clear analogy of the situation with the sensor 6d mark 2:
If the 5d4 sensor is the original Canon sensor of the last generation, then the sensor 6d mark 2 is like a "Chinese fake", as Canon claims to use the most advanced sensor available. Regardless of how much it is worse than the original, or how much it justifies its price, or how many people will buy a camera with such a sensor, it remains a "fake".
And on any serious trading platform sellers of fakes will be banned for the sale of fakes.
If someone wants to sell sensors of the previous generation, then do not talk about the last generation, and do not deceive customers.

 

[Mikehit]

I have a clear analogy of the situation with the sensor 6d mark 2:
If the 5d4 sensor is the original Canon sensor of the last generation, then the sensor 6d mark 2 is like a "Chinese fake", as Canon claims to use the most advanced sensor available. Regardless of how much it is worse than the original, or how much it justifies its price, or how many people will buy a camera with such a sensor, it remains a "fake".
And on any serious trading platform sellers of fakes will be banned for the sale of fakes.
If someone wants to sell sensors of the previous generation, then do not talk about the last generation, and do not deceive customers.

If the 6D2 is the first camera it has been used in, then surely it is the latest sensor? Because as I see it, if it is better than pre-80D/5D4 sensors then surely it is a new improved sensor.
No-one has yet done a tear down to know the architecture of the camera so we do not know the technology it uses. So on what basis do you call it a 'chinese fake'. Are you saying that you know for sure that only cameras with on-chip ADC can produce decent result nowadays?

By the way, what is a 'chinese fake' as opposed to a 'fake'?

 

[Loswr]

I have a clear analogy of the situation with the sensor 6d mark 2:
If the 5d4 sensor is the original Canon sensor of the last generation, then the sensor 6d mark 2 is like a "Chinese fake", as Canon claims to use the most advanced sensor available. Regardless of how much it is worse than the original, or how much it justifies its price, or how many people will buy a camera with such a sensor, it remains a "fake".
And on any serious trading platform sellers of fakes will be banned for the sale of fakes.
If someone wants to sell sensors of the previous generation, then do not talk about the last generation, and do not deceive customers.

The analogy for the 6D → 6DII sensor is the 5DII → 5DIII upgrade. The sensor was basically the same ('if it ain't broke, don't fix it), pretty much everything else got a major performance bump.

 

[squarepants]

I - for one - got swept up in the measurements and "numbers"... I'll admit it :-[

I don't usually like this guys videos, but have a look for a refreshing alternative to the doom & gloom over the 6D2's base ISO DR. Also... enjoy some awesome voiceovers too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Po4Ct8B2Oo

 

[Luds34]

I - for one - got swept up in the measurements and "numbers"... I'll admit it :-[

I don't usually like this guys videos, but have a look for a refreshing alternative to the doom & gloom over the 6D2's base ISO DR. Also... enjoy some awesome voiceovers too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Po4Ct8B2Oo

Haha, I saw that too. Is it just me or is "The Fro" coming across sensible more and more these days. He's come a long way from his early videos. I'm starting to enjoy his work. Plus he actually knows how to take a photo.

 

[Deleted member 379512]

I have a clear analogy of the situation with the sensor 6d mark 2:
If the 5d4 sensor is the original Canon sensor of the last generation, then the sensor 6d mark 2 is like a "Chinese fake", as Canon claims to use the most advanced sensor available. Regardless of how much it is worse than the original, or how much it justifies its price, or how many people will buy a camera with such a sensor, it remains a "fake".
And on any serious trading platform sellers of fakes will be banned for the sale of fakes.
If someone wants to sell sensors of the previous generation, then do not talk about the last generation, and do not deceive customers.

The analogy for the 6D → 6DII sensor is the 5DII → 5DIII upgrade. The sensor was basically the same ('if it ain't broke, don't fix it), pretty much everything else got a major performance bump.

I'm not so sure everything got an upgrade though; it really looks like all that's improved is the af (both stills and video) , screen and fps. The sensor has a small resolution bump, but otherwise is the same tech, and the video quality has been downgraded from the looks.

I was under the impression the 5d2 to 5d3 added quite a bit more, dual cards, better video, headphone jack etc. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

My opinion at this stage is that the 6d 2 is an improvement overall, but for the cost, it really fell short of the potential camera it really could have been.

 

[slclick]

petapixel...are they even remotely in the realm of 'regarded reviews'? bah.

 

[Jopa]

I think, posts like this will be common in the coming days. Canon is just playing a dangerous game IMO (just saw this post in a local fb group)

HAHA! Maybe he's switching to Fuji.
I prefer to sell my Canon gear one piece at a time... get better return on it.
Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite. Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like.

Now... let's watch to see how quickly street price of the 6d2 drops..

I had no idea Canon makes high-end EF-S lenses?

 

[Sporgon]

Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite. Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like.

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?

 

[Khalai]

I think, posts like this will be common in the coming days. Canon is just playing a dangerous game IMO (just saw this post in a local fb group)

HAHA! Maybe he's switching to Fuji.
I prefer to sell my Canon gear one piece at a time... get better return on it.
Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite. Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like.

Now... let's watch to see how quickly street price of the 6d2 drops..

I had no idea Canon makes high-end EF-S lenses?

Maybe the only one there is rather old 17-55/2.8 IS USM. Build quality is far from L, but optically, that lens is quite decent. And price was in the low L territory. So maybe that one? Apart from that, maybe also old 10-22 can be considered as "high-end" EF-S, but high-end only relative to other EF-S offerings.

 

[Khalai]

Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite. Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like.

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?

Never. Remember, he has to continually persuade every Canon heathen to convert to the only righeous way of supreme DReligion

 

[stevelee]

Maybe the only one there is rather old 17-55/2.8 IS USM. Build quality is far from L, but optically, that lens is quite decent. And price was in the low L territory. So maybe that one? Apart from that, maybe also old 10-22 can be considered as "high-end" EF-S, but high-end only relative to other EF-S offerings.

The 10-22 is a good lens, though bulky and heavy, relatively. I don't use it much any more, which suggests to me that when I get a 6D2, I'll still use the T3i with it rather than buying anything superwideangle FF any time soon. I made a bit of money shooting interiors for realtors, enough to pay for the lens. I would buy the 10-18 today instead. It is not quite as fast, but a lot handier and supposedly just as sharp. And I use the kit lens if I'm shooting in the 19-22mm range anyway.

 

[BillB]

I have a clear analogy of the situation with the sensor 6d mark 2:
If the 5d4 sensor is the original Canon sensor of the last generation, then the sensor 6d mark 2 is like a "Chinese fake", as Canon claims to use the most advanced sensor available. Regardless of how much it is worse than the original, or how much it justifies its price, or how many people will buy a camera with such a sensor, it remains a "fake".
And on any serious trading platform sellers of fakes will be banned for the sale of fakes.
If someone wants to sell sensors of the previous generation, then do not talk about the last generation, and do not deceive customers.

The analogy for the 6D → 6DII sensor is the 5DII → 5DIII upgrade. The sensor was basically the same ('if it ain't broke, don't fix it), pretty much everything else got a major performance bump.

I'm not so sure everything got an upgrade though; it really looks like all that's improved is the af (both stills and video) , screen and fps. The sensor has a small resolution bump, but otherwise is the same tech, and the video quality has been downgraded from the looks.

I was under the impression the 5d2 to 5d3 added quite a bit more, dual cards, better video, headphone jack etc. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

My opinion at this stage is that the 6d 2 is an improvement overall, but for the cost, it really fell short of the potential camera it really could have been.

Sensor is not "otherwise the same tech". Dual pixel, phase detect AF in Liveview and touchscreen focussing are major changes in technology, at least in my opinion.

 

[Aglet]

Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite. Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like.

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?

You can keep rubbin' that lamp but you may not get that wish granted. LOL

As Canon-free as I'd like means I've reduced my inventory of that brand down to some basics.
If the 6d2 would have had a decent sensor I may have added it when the price came down but I don't want more bandy cameras.

 

[Aglet]

Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite. Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like.

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?

Never. Remember, he has to continually persuade every Canon heathen to convert to the only righeous way of supreme DReligion

That's right. I'm here as the voice of pro-choice.

 

[pwp]

I - for one - got swept up in the measurements and "numbers"... I'll admit it :-[

I don't usually like this guys videos, but have a look for a refreshing alternative to the doom & gloom over the 6D2's base ISO DR. Also... enjoy some awesome voiceovers too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Po4Ct8B2Oo

Haha, I saw that too. Is it just me or is "The Fro" coming across sensible more and more these days. He's come a long way from his early videos. I'm starting to enjoy his work. Plus he actually knows how to take a photo.

Hah! Yes I watched this too. The Fro is sounding pretty sensible and being a sane voice in this fairly ridiculous round of 6DII sensor bashing.

Constructive criticism is important, but persistent cycles of compulsive negativity are rarely good for the soul.

-pw

 

[BillB]

Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite. Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like.

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?

Never. Remember, he has to continually persuade every Canon heathen to convert to the only righeous way of supreme DReligion

That's right. I'm here as the voice of pro-choice.

Out of curiosity, Aglet could you clarify what you meant by "as Canon-free as I'd like"?