Poll: Are 5D3 owners going to buy a 6D2?

[unfocused]

1/8000 shutter

On a side note, this one perplexes me. I've read some comments here where people say they want this. I can't imagine. Are they shooting on top of an iceberg at noon on a sunny day?

 

[slclick]

1/8000 shutter

On a side note, this one perplexes me. I've read some comments here where people say they want this. I can't imagine. Are they shooting on top of an iceberg at noon on a sunny day?

I think it's perfectly fine for 'some' folks to want to use a 1.2 lens for sunny portraiture

 

[unfocused]

1/8000 shutter

On a side note, this one perplexes me. I've read some comments here where people say they want this. I can't imagine. Are they shooting on top of an iceberg at noon on a sunny day?

I think it's perfectly fine for 'some' folks to want to use a 1.2 lens for sunny portraiture

I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with it. I'm just having a hard time envisioning that very many people encounter the kind of situation where this is needed. Even with a f1.2 lens, 1/8000 of a second at ISO 100 is one heck of a lot of light. I'm thinking white sand beach at noon on a summer's day and wondering if the subject could even keep their eyes open. Is this really a big "want" for an entry-level full frame camera?

 

[ahsanford]

1/8000 shutter

On a side note, this one perplexes me. I've read some comments here where people say they want this. I can't imagine. Are they shooting on top of an iceberg at noon on a sunny day?

Portraiture on a sunny day + a fast lens is the concern here. Wedding photogs in bright afternoon conditions don't want to have to crack out an ND filter or stop down.

But yes, for your garden variety enthusiast fooling around with their cameras, this rarely comes up. It happened a few times on a recent 50L rental (kids in the snow), and though I had an ND with me, I just stopped down instead. Were my livelihood dependent on the shot, however, I may have screwed on the ND to keep shooting wide.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with it. I'm just having a hard time envisioning that very many people encounter the kind of situation where this is needed. Even with a f1.2 lens, 1/8000 of a second at ISO 100 is one heck of a lot of light. I'm thinking white sand beach at noon on a summer's day and wondering if the subject could even keep their eyes open. Is this really a big "want" for an entry-level full frame camera?

I imagine a lot of less-well-off wedding photogs don't want to pony up $3500+ for either a 50 MP rig or a 5D4 with video features they may never use.

In that light, I see the 6D2 as a 'budget professional's tool' / enthusiast's tool than an entry-level tool. If it's got a solid FF sensor, two card slots, an EF mount and competent but not mindblowing AF, I could see professionals choose a 6D2 and invest the difference in 5D4 price for an RF transmitter, a lens or two, etc.

- A

 

[SaabStory]

My first digital camera was the Canon G1, which had an amazingly useful "flippy" screen.
I switched to a DSLR in 2001 starting with the D30, and eventually moving on to the full-frame 5D series. Of course my 5D3 is massively better than that old G1, but I've always missed that articulated "flippy" screen"

I've often wondered why there is so much animosity in the 5D community toward articulated screens? I mean, if someone prefers not to use it, then they can just keep it closed. What's the big deal? Personally, I found to to be very useful.

I had planned to buy a 5D4 by now, but funds are tight, and I'm not feeling an immense need to spend money on that model. However, if the 6D2 becomes available with most of the same features at a lower cost, AND an articulated screen, I will be very excited by that option.

 

[LDS]

What's the big deal?

I still use sometimes a G11. But I wouldn't like a "flippy" screen on my 5DIII because:

1) It may be hard to seal it
2) It's more fragile.
3) The screen needs to be smaller to allow for the frame.
4) It can get in the way in some situations.
5) Some camera buttons may need to be put in less comfortable positions (or eliminated) to allow room for the screen movements.

Is is useful? Sure. Is it indispensable? For many, no. For my style of shooting, I always prefer tethering - and now you can do it wirelessly too.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

My first digital camera was the Canon G1, which had an amazingly useful "flippy" screen.
I switched to a DSLR in 2001 starting with the D30, and eventually moving on to the full-frame 5D series. Of course my 5D3 is massively better than that old G1, but I've always missed that articulated "flippy" screen"

I've often wondered why there is so much animosity in the 5D community toward articulated screens? I mean, if someone prefers not to use it, then they can just keep it closed. What's the big deal? Personally, I found to to be very useful.

I had planned to buy a 5D4 by now, but funds are tight, and I'm not feeling an immense need to spend money on that model. However, if the 6D2 becomes available with most of the same features at a lower cost, AND an articulated screen, I will be very excited by that option.

The G1 was my first digicam as well and I remember the flip screen. Oddly enough, I don't remember taking advantage of it a whole lot. I kept it for 5 years then decided it was time for an upgrade... I was contemplating a DSLR...actually took a shot at a grey-market Nikon D70S but that fell through for reasons I will not get into...long story short, I changed my mind and went for the compact Elph series. I think it was the SD550, and then later the 950. Then after being let down BIG time by shots I took at an important event, it was time for a DSLR, no way around it. Got a T2i and worked my way up the Canon system. Looking back, crazy how close I was to being a Nikon shooter instead...

Of the DSLRs I've had, only the 60D had a flip screen. My M10 has one but it doesn't swivel or tilt down, so doesn't really count...To be honest though, as often as it came in handy (shooting over crowds), it got in the way as well (extra time to "get the camera ready"). While it would be nice to have sometimes, I can't say I miss having one. Not yet anyway.

 

[rrcphoto]

1/8000 shutter

On a side note, this one perplexes me. I've read some comments here where people say they want this. I can't imagine. Are they shooting on top of an iceberg at noon on a sunny day?

I think it's perfectly fine for 'some' folks to want to use a 1.2 lens for sunny portraiture

it's perfectly fine for canon to say.. pony up for the 5D Mark IV then.

 

[reef58]

1/8000 shutter

On a side note, this one perplexes me. I've read some comments here where people say they want this. I can't imagine. Are they shooting on top of an iceberg at noon on a sunny day?

Ran into the issue just yesterday actually. Shooting f1.4. I am not sure if the extra stop would have helped but the 1/4000 limit on my 6d definitely crippled my shot.

 

[ahsanford]

1/8000 shutter

On a side note, this one perplexes me. I've read some comments here where people say they want this. I can't imagine. Are they shooting on top of an iceberg at noon on a sunny day?

I think it's perfectly fine for 'some' folks to want to use a 1.2 lens for sunny portraiture

it's perfectly fine for canon to say.. pony up for the 5D Mark IV then.

And that's exactly what Canon and Nikon did with the 6D and D600/610/750 respectively.

But now the 80D -- the 6D2's crop doppleganger, one would think -- has been given the 1/8000 shutter. The 6D2 might get this feature.

- A

 

[SaabStory]

To be honest though, as often as it came in handy (shooting over crowds), it got in the way as well (extra time to "get the camera ready"). While it would be nice to have sometimes, I can't say I miss having one. Not yet anyway.

I'm curious what you mean when you say that the articulated screen took extra time to get the camera ready? Do you mean that it took some fumbling to close it after having used it open?

I found the screen useful for two very different reasons, one of which I never hear anyone talk about:

1) I was shooting a lot of concerts and flowers, so shooting over heads and also down at worm's eye level were capabilities that I appreciated.

2) I found it easier to get people to relax and interact with me naturally when I was shooting them without the camera pressed up to me eye. I could hold my camera at chest level and maintain eye contact with my subject, while occasionally stealing glances at my screen. I thought this was fantastic. I never hear anyone mention this.

 

[ahsanford]

I found the screen useful for two very different reasons, one of which I never hear anyone talk about:

1) I was shooting a lot of concerts and flowers, so shooting over heads and also down at worm's eye level were capabilities that I appreciated.

2) I found it easier to get people to relax and interact with me naturally when I was shooting them without the camera pressed up to me eye. I could hold my camera at chest level and maintain eye contact with my subject, while occasionally stealing glances at my screen. I thought this was fantastic. I never hear anyone mention this.

Tilty-flippy is also a 'broad daylight' street photography move for possibly-less-than-happy subjects that know you are there and are looking at you:

1) Take a throwaway shot of something other than your subject, but do it through the VF in a clearly deliberate 'I am taking a picture of that shop window' sort of manner.

2) Immediately lower the camera to your waist and flip the screen up. It looks like you are chimping the shot you just took, but in actuality you are in LiveView and taking a shot of your subject.

I don't shoot much street, but I have seen this done before.

- A

 

[SaabStory]

Tilty-flippy is also a 'broad daylight' street photography move for possibly-less-than-happy subjects that know you are there and are looking at you:

1) Take a throwaway shot of something other than your subject, but do it through the VF in a clearly deliberate 'I am taking a picture of that shop window' sort of manner.

2) Immediately lower the camera to your waist and flip the screen up. It looks like you are chimping the shot you just took, but in actuality you are in LiveView and taking a shot of your subject.

I don't shoot much street, but I have seen this done before.

- A

Ha! That sounds like a pretty good maneuver. I don't think I every used it quite that deceptively, but I did enjoy the ability to place the camera on a table in a restaurant or pub, and take a surreptitious shot of the surrounding room without freaking out the other patrons by raising the camera to my eye.

 

[Luds34]

Re: quality degradfation.

1/4000 maximum shutter speed of 6D could be another limiting factor for environmental portraiture when shooting at F1.2/1.4 outdoors. I try avoiding ND filters if possible due to introduced colour cast and other IQ related issue.

I totally get the downgrade thing. The 5D3 is too much camera for many people and like said above, there was no other Canon FF option except an older or more expensive model. If you don't use Servo or video selling your Mark 3 and getting a 6 Series sounds reasonable.

I get that and found that I just needed to spend more $ and get better ND filters!

Amen, especially when we're talking the 3 stop filters. Which incidentally, A good CPL can do the job too. I've found at max mine drop about 2 stops of light, which if you're shooting in harsh, bright sunlight, there is a good chance you already want to use a CPL. I love to shoot fast glass, but have never really found the 1/4000 to be a limiting factor. Heck, as long as one doesn't completely destroy the highlights, you can over expose and bring it down in post.

 

[Ozarker]

I am only looking for current 5D3 owners that skipped the 5D4, please.

- A

way too soon to determine if someone "skipped the 5D4" and we have no idea on the ergonomics of the new 6D body.

Come now, I clearly meant people who skipped the 5D4 so far. If the price plummets or the 6D2 ends up lacking a critical feature, it would tip the 5D4 fence-sitters dramatically.

I generally am seeing the 5D3 camp -- those that use it as their principal rig -- doing one of four things this cycle:

• They became early adopters of 5D4 -- they got one within the first 60 days of release
• They are presently waiting to choose between the 5D4 and 6D2
• They will get a 6D2 for either size/weight or value reasons
• They will hold out and not buy either the 6D2 or the 5D4 this cycle or wait a long period of time for their chosen next camera to come down in price. Either way, this camp is in no hurry to retire their 5D3.

This very informal poll would imply that:

1) A majority of this group (a shade over 2/3 at present) will keep shooting their 5D3 and not get a 5D4 or 6D2 ...at present pricing or expectation of pricing.

2) A small number (1/6 at present) of folks are going to replace their 5D3 with a 6D2.

3) Most peoples' minds are somehow already made up on this. Only 10/66 responses are in the 'Mind not made up' / 'Might revisit 5D4 based on 6D2 specs'

(rrc, #3 above gets to your "way too soon" comment. I agree that a gamechanging 6D2 spec list or design might rock this poll a bit, but only 10/66 in the uncertain bucket might imply that the vast majority sufficiently believe the rumored specs/prices to have made up their mind.)

I find everyone's thought processes fascinating with this.

- A

It's not over until fat lady sings. Or, in this case, until the camera's been released and on the market for at least a few months. It'd be interesting if Canon had a poll on purchase of a 6D2 asking what your previous camera was, if any. But as for before the camera's even announced, always best to take answers with a grain of salt. People on both sides may change their minds. I know a company that gets a LOT of requests to do a certain type of product, but whenever the company makes the requested product, few actually buy it. There's a big difference between what people say they will do and what they will actually do.

Canon could always use warrantee registrations to get the previous camera data. Probably why they hope to get online registration of all products.