Poll: Most wanted new features for 5D Mark IV

[martti]

For me the question would be: What new features would make me upgrade from 5D III and pay 3### dollars for the new body?

–Picture quality: Higher ISO, lower noise, better DR
–Autofocus that you could 'lock on' a part of the subject and follow it if it moves or if you reframe (SciFi?)
–Wireless tethering with iPad or Android slate right from the box (yes, I have the WiFi router and I can do it with DSRL Control SW on Android)
–A graphical interface on the EOS Utility that would let you configure the setup(s) of the camera AND issue the fonction of each button and dial 'as you like it'. While you are at it, make it wireless and interactive.

 

[Maximilian]

Couldn't find my wishes in the poll:

- better IQ over the whole ISO range (if possible with foveon-like sensor tech)
- dual CF/ CFast 2.0
- ethernet interface (at least USB 3.0)
- sync speed 1/250 or faster
- some FW gimmicks from the 1D X

The rest I'm quite fine with

 

[V8Beast]

How about red AF points that you can actually see on dark objects in AI Servo, and a built-in radio trigger for Speedlites?

 

[Marsu42]

How about red AF points that you can actually see on dark objects in AI Servo

Where's the challenge in that ?

and a built-in radio trigger for Speedlites?

Probably a model policy problem: More expensive metal camera bodies cannot have it due to transmission/range problems, and so cheaper plastic cameras like 6d/70d can't either...

- full size still picture possibility during video recording

Fyi: Magic Lantern already has full res silent pix - though the shutter speed is unfortunately limited. But then again, it's free and available right now.

 

[Drum]

I'll be honest I really don't care for video features if I want to do video I'd buy a dedicated video camera. for stills I would prefer 1/250 flash sync (or even faster). A few more MP to get better resolution and better noise handling.

 

[V8Beast]

and a built-in radio trigger for Speedlites?

Probably a model policy problem: More expensive metal camera bodies cannot have it due to transmission/range problems, and so cheaper plastic cameras like 6d/70d can't either...

Interesting info. Didn't know about the transmission problems. I thought Canon didn't include built-in transmitters because they're greedy and want to force people to buy a $300 transmitter. I'm sure that plays some factor in it, though

 

[SPL]

I'll be honest I really don't care for video features if I want to do video I'd buy a dedicated video camera. for stills I would prefer 1/250 flash sync (or even faster). A few more MP to get better resolution and better noise handling.

+1000!

 

[RLPhoto]

Built in RT transmitter is not on the list.

 

[JonB8305]

I'll be honest I really don't care for video features if I want to do video I'd buy a dedicated video camera. for stills I would prefer 1/250 flash sync (or even faster). A few more MP to get better resolution and better noise handling.

They gotta do better than 1/250 at this point. Nikon has been doing 1/250 for a while, they have to differentiate and go higher.

The 6D's 1/160 flash sync really sucks, and the 1/200 of the 5d3 is probably not much better.

 

[dgatwood]

* Dual Compact Flash memory card slots...this is as good of a time as any to move to the new CFast 2.0 compact flash cards. Whichever memory card format Canon decides to use, I just hope Canon uses the same memory card format for both the new 1DX Mark II and the Canon 5D Mark IV, so those of us who own both cameras don't have to carry different types of memory cards with us all the time.[/b]

That's a terrible idea. Maybe five years ago, but not now. At this point, it would make a lot more sense to just adopt dual SD with full UHS-II support. SD's maximum speed (512 MB/s) is almost as fast as CFast's real-world performance after factoring in SATA overhead, but is a lot more broadly compatible and a lot cheaper.

Also, CFast is probably a dead standard at this point. A few years ago, the SATA folks realized that there was no feasible way to make SATA scale to the speeds of modern SSDs, so they basically stopped developing SATA and started developing a way for devices to use the same pins for a completely different signaling standard (PCIe). The only way CFast will ever get any faster than it is right now is if they do a major redesign of both host and card hardware.

More importantly, one could extend the SD card standard to communicate using PCIe just as easily, but with SD, there are enough extra pins to provide 2x PCIe instead of 1x, so a pin-compatible SD card design based on PCIe would utterly stomp any PCIe-based CFast standard into the ground unless they also change the CFast pinout in what is likely to be an incompatible way.

Given that SD is more than capable of handling the fastest flash cards currently in existence, is cheaper, is more ubiquitous, and is better capable of scaling to faster speeds than CFast in the long run, it's really hard to justify going with CFast, IMO. About the only rational reason to do so involves trying to keep two standards groups competing against one another for petty patent portfolio reasons, and that just doesn't justify the consumer harm, IMO.

 

[Lee Jay]

Better high ISO performance and dramatically lower fixed pattern noise are on the top of my list, but not part of the poll.

Low ISO performance is already good enough.

I do want dual pixel focusing.

 

[Khufu]

I would most like the 5D4 to...


Stay away for a little while longer, please!

The UK price of a new 5D3 is already getting scarily close to the Grey Market price I paid a couple of years ago. Don't make me eventually sell it at a loss!! :

 

[martti]

I would most like the 5D4 to...


Stay away for a little while longer, please!

The UK price of a new 5D3 is already getting scarily close to the Grey Market price I paid a couple of years ago. Don't make me eventually sell it at a loss!! :

Just think that you rented the 5D3 for two yours for such a good price when you sell it.
I bought a car for 34 000 and sold it two years later at 28 000. I felt bad until a friend of mine told me that you rented a Porsche for 250 euros a month and you complain!?

 

[Hill Benson]

I would most like the 5D4 to...


Stay away for a little while longer, please!

The UK price of a new 5D3 is already getting scarily close to the Grey Market price I paid a couple of years ago. Don't make me eventually sell it at a loss!! :

We're you going to try and sell it as a non-grey market body?

As for features I wouldn't mind in the 5D4...

1.A Sony Sensor (if Canon haven't managed to come up with something that performs even better.)
2.To be able to spot meter on my chosen focus point outside of the center one. (Like the 1DX)

I'm still VERY happy with my 5D3 though.

 

[zim]

That was an interesting exercise, focusing on only three freatures!

Only looking at the list presented I whittled it down to this list (in order)

Better low light ISO performance
Upgraded auto-focus system
Reduced horizontal/vertical noise banding
Faster flash sync speed
Bigger image buffer
Faster FPS
Faster SD card reader
Better dynamic range
Touchscreen

The second and third changed but my thinking was what's the point of better low light performance if you can't focus on anything!
What was interesting for me was how better DR got pushed down the list. Al those other things for me are just more important.
I'd liked to have seen 7D2 weather sealing but I would expect it to get that.

Oh and the one thing I don't want to see, 40MP !! that is just a whole other camera.

Regards

 

[jchung]

Less noise in shadows

What I really want is less noise in the shadows. Nikon is killing Canon in the shadows. I look at pushed shadow regions and Canon's IQ is abysmal.

 

[JohanCruyff]

"available in white" ;D

 

[awinphoto]

* Dual Compact Flash memory card slots...this is as good of a time as any to move to the new CFast 2.0 compact flash cards. Whichever memory card format Canon decides to use, I just hope Canon uses the same memory card format for both the new 1DX Mark II and the Canon 5D Mark IV, so those of us who own both cameras don't have to carry different types of memory cards with us all the time.[/b]

That's a terrible idea. Maybe five years ago, but not now. At this point, it would make a lot more sense to just adopt dual SD with full UHS-II support. SD's maximum speed (512 MB/s) is almost as fast as CFast's real-world performance after factoring in SATA overhead, but is a lot more broadly compatible and a lot cheaper.

Also, CFast is probably a dead standard at this point. A few years ago, the SATA folks realized that there was no feasible way to make SATA scale to the speeds of modern SSDs, so they basically stopped developing SATA and started developing a way for devices to use the same pins for a completely different signaling standard (PCIe). The only way CFast will ever get any faster than it is right now is if they do a major redesign of both host and card hardware.

More importantly, one could extend the SD card standard to communicate using PCIe just as easily, but with SD, there are enough extra pins to provide 2x PCIe instead of 1x, so a pin-compatible SD card design based on PCIe would utterly stomp any PCIe-based CFast standard into the ground unless they also change the CFast pinout in what is likely to be an incompatible way.

Given that SD is more than capable of handling the fastest flash cards currently in existence, is cheaper, is more ubiquitous, and is better capable of scaling to faster speeds than CFast in the long run, it's really hard to justify going with CFast, IMO. About the only rational reason to do so involves trying to keep two standards groups competing against one another for petty patent portfolio reasons, and that just doesn't justify the consumer harm, IMO.

Quite recently, my worst fear about SD cards came to fruition... I did a large expo... a combo of raw images and some grab videos... We were the featured photographer... didn't record to both cards, but had 1 cf and 1 sd, filling each up individually subsequently... Anywho, i removed the cards after the expo, plugged them into the computer, the CF card popped right up on the computer, the SD did not... I grabbed another card reader, nothing... i looked at the card and to my dismay, the entire side of the flimsy card somehow broke off! that's why it wasn't reading... crap... nothing was working... luckily I was able to gently reinsert the card back into the 5d3 and it started reading it... so i had to USB import it over... Ironically it still would read in DPP or Canons utility like it normally would, but apple's iphoto saw the files and allowed me to copy the images over... After the card was done copying, i cut up that card and destroyed it... But WTH? I've used CF cards for well over a decade and only had 1 fail on me (a CF microdrive) and another have a corrupt file here and there which made me stop using that card. But never anything like this.

 

[tron]

Although I realize that this may be a single case would you mind mentioning which brand the SD was?

Thanks.

 

[RGF]

Interesting that two competing features are chosen, both by about 50% of the respondents. These are higher megapixels and the other is better low light noise.