Production of the EOS 5D Mark III Finished? [CR2]

[Memdroid]

I'd find the 5DIII much better than than the 5DSR (which I assume is like a 5DS) in low light.
The 5DSR may recover shadows better but the overall quality of the image degrades faster than a 5DIII as the ISO goes up.
I've done alot of side by side shooting with both indoor and the 5DIII produces far more usuable images.
I have the 7D II as well and its perfomance is similar to the 5DSR. It's also poor in low light / high ISO. They have a similar/same? sensor.
I really only use the 5DSR now outdoor on a tripod at ISO 100. This is it's strength but I find it limited otherwise.
I'd use the 5DIII anytime any place.
If it gets cheap on the arrival of the 5DIV / 5DX I'd highly recommend buying the 5DIII.
It's a great camera that would serve you really well for years.
I don't think you'd be compromising anything. The focusing system is very good. FPS might be slightly limited but its not bad at all. A super all round camera.

This begs one question: when you are comparing the 5DS to the 5D3 in low light, are you downsampling the shots to 22 MP? That reins in the noise considerably.

So if you are not downsampling, the 5D3 should beat the 5DS for low light performance.

If you are downsampling, I've heard everything from 'it's a dead heat' to 'the 5DS is slightly better'.

Or, from Bryan Carnathan at TDP (this passage below is about 1/4 of the way into the review):

"When compared at native resolutions, 5Ds images are noisier than 5D III images. The differences, especially at higher ISO settings, are less than 1 stop. Down-sized to 5D III pixel dimension (using DPP, see "Standard Down-Sized to 5D III" in noise tool), 5Ds noise levels are essentially equal to full frame 5D III noise levels and even slightly better at the highest ISO settings. So, while Canon is not promoting this camera for its low light capabilities, I see it as one of the best options available with output size being comparable. "

Parsing his thoughts another way, a 5DS is a high detail monster in good light / tripod / studio conditions where you can keep the ISO low, but when ISO climbs, it's like you switch to "5D3 mode" by downsampling the 50 MP down to 22 and the shots look fine. So, crudely: a 5DS is a high res rig in good conditions and it 'becomes' a 5D3 in poor conditions. That's not a bad thing.

- A

This is exactly my findings as well with my 5Ds in the ISO 3200-6400 range. I even dare to say that the downsampled noise performance is closer to my 1Dx than to my 5d3, with the added details and crispness to boot! But than*can* be attributed to my processing rather the camera performance.

 

[suburbia]

The 5D MkIII was overpriced on launch, and the price drop 6 months down the line made me feel like I had been robbed. So no buying within the first year of launch for me!

 

[ahsanford]

The 5D MkIII was overpriced on launch, and the price drop 6 months down the line made me feel like I had been robbed. So no buying within the first year of launch for me!

Sure, but it has actually held its price over the years remarkably well compared to other rigs.

- A

 

[Maiaibing]

With lots of detail on the banding in the shadows. See DPR ... not recommended for low light

Can you point to that? Have not seen any banding myself even in long exposure night shots (5DS R). Also, do not remember having seen any complaints about this.

 

[Maiaibing]

I'd find the 5DIII much better than than the 5DSR (which I assume is like a 5DS) in low light.

Sounds like you are probably using Lightroom's standard color profile if this is the case.

If you use Canon's RAW engine or a dedicated profile in Lightroom noise is somewhat better on the 5DS R than the 5DIII on top you get better detail - if you reduce to the same file size.

 

[rrcphoto]

\A new and better sensor would be fine, but to me, without a big IQ improvment, these things alone are worth the upgrade
- wider spreaded AF-Points (please, not more or make it possible to switch some off)
- DPAF for video and touchscreen to set the focus
- autoISO and max. shutter speed up to 1/8000
- autoISO in M mode with ...blaa, you know what i mean
- 60...90...120 fps fullHD

If i can get this in the 5DIV, i can sell one of my 5DIII and the legria (IQ is fine, AF is very good to me, IS is great, DOF is... jesus, f1.8 at the wide end is equally, when i'm right, f13 on FF) to fund the new one. I want the look of my lenses for video, but my 18 month old son ist faster than me - i need AF.

hmmm, a lot is only firmware. Canons "crippling-small-evolution-marketing-thing" works

2 out of 5 are firmware - the autoISO ones.. the others? probably not.

 

[Maiaibing]

Sure, but it has actually held its price over the years remarkably well compared to other rigs.
- A

I hope this is a joke? You are aware you cannot visually compare the three graphs (at all)?

 

[AWR]

We will make graded improvements and make sure to cripple all video components. We are in denial about the shrinking DSLR market. We do not realize that cameras are already producing images of such detail and quality most people cannot see the difference analogous to 4K vs HD on a large TV.
We are blind to Sony stealing the game away from us in many respects with the A7RII and the FS5 and FS7, and now their lower priced Mirrorless cameras, which are improving rapidly. Oh but our lenses are so fantastic.

What a shame the dual pixel focus good skin tones and lenses could have been a foundation for massive innovation. NOPE. I bet either no 4K or crippled 4K. and very low bit rate HDMI out and maybe not even with audio. Too bad. Loved Canon for years and years. It is not just for my end of the market I feel sad about it is the shrinking DSLR market in general they are not moving to embrace the changes in this market.

Why are you in Canon forum?
If you'd be happy with sony, then why come here?

I bet you don't have Sony or Canon, you never had.
Little dog.

 

[EduPortas]

The 5D MkIII was overpriced on launch, and the price drop 6 months down the line made me feel like I had been robbed. So no buying within the first year of launch for me!

Sure, but it has actually held its price over the years remarkably well compared to other rigs.

- A

Coincidentally, the US dollar has grown stronger vs. the Japanese Yen during that period.

 

[ahsanford]

Sure, but it has actually held its price over the years remarkably well compared to other rigs.
- A

I hope this is a joke? You are aware you cannot visually compare the three graphs (at all)?

Of course, there's no perfect comparison given the market segment, time on the market, etc., but I'll distill those charts down a bit:

5D3: is sitting at 71% of it's launch price at roughly 4 years since launch
6D: is sitting at 66% of it's launch price at 2.5 years since launch
7D2: is sitting at 83% of it's launch price at 1.5 years since launch

I'm just saying that commanding 70%+ of your original asking price some four years after launch is awfully impressive. It think only 1D series rigs retain price in that neighborhood. Both the 6D and 7D2's asking prices are declining far more rapidly in comparison.

Pricing can, of course, be tented up by the company given how it's reseller rules work, but they are not completely deaf to the market when they make these changes. For instance, if a 6D was still sitting at $2,099 right now, it's sales would absolutely plummet.

So I find the 5D3 (despite any in-the-first-six-months drop that disappointed Suburbia) has done very well for itself in the market.

- A

 

[JonAustin]

- wider-spread AF-Points (please, not more or make it possible to switch some off)

Perhaps I misunderstand your request of the next 5D model, but if not, what you have requested (the ability to switch some AF points off is already available in the 5D mark III. Refer to page 74 (of the English manual, anyway), "Selecting the AF Point Manually." You can select 1, 4 (or 3 along the boundaries), 9 (4 to 6 along the boundaries), 12 (9 along the boundaries) or all 61 points.

 

[JonAustin]

If you own a 5D3 and skipped the 5DS for whatever reason, do you pre-order a 5D4 on day one, or are you waiting for sensor testing first? (Clearly, this is more aimed at the stills camp -- I imagine the video decision is a bit easier to make on day one based on the spec sheet.)

- A

I'm waiting for the first round of tests. Based on what little we know about the 5D4 (or whatever it'll be named) at this point, I'm more inclined to snap up a 2nd 5D3 at clearance prices while they're still available, than to go for its successor.

If I do decide that the 5D4 is enough of an improvement to make it worth it for my purposes, I'll probably still wait 6 months or more, to avoid the "new and shiny" price premium, and for Canon to shake out any early bugs.

 

[kaswindell]

Canon could discount the 5DIII to fill this gap until the 6DII arrives (at likely $2200).

Dream on! ;-p

Canon refurbished 5D3 cameras are often in this price range or less.

Edit: $2099.00 - http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-5d-mark-iii-body-refurbished

Refurbs are rejected units...

Geez I hope you are joking! I'm not feeding a troll... Well maybe a little!

Tell that to my problem free refurbished 5D3, after 3 years of use, that it's a reject. My 5D3 had 5 exposures when I received it. Also purchased as refurbished: 5D2, 50D and T2i all problem free.

+1

My one year old refurb 5D3 has been great, as has the 24-105 that came with it and I just picked up a refurb 16-35 f/4. Refurb doesn't mean broken, it means that it works properly - it just has been repaired by somebody with more skill than the factory line workers who messed up in the first place.

 

[ashmadux]

I LOVE my 5d3, so i'd either be tempted to get another one, or super pumped to get the mark 4.

Ive owned it for less than a year, and it's worth its weight in gold.

If it had the 6D iso performance, it would be just perfect for my needs.

Also, im glad to see that AF point spreads are getting wider - af points all stuffed in the middle of the frame is simply not ideal.

 

[lightthief]

\A new and better sensor would be fine, but to me, without a big IQ improvment, these things alone are worth the upgrade
- wider spreaded AF-Points (please, not more or make it possible to switch some off)
- DPAF for video and touchscreen to set the focus
- autoISO and max. shutter speed up to 1/8000
- autoISO in M mode with ...blaa, you know what i mean
- 60...90...120 fps fullHD

hmmm, a lot is only firmware. Canons "crippling-small-evolution-marketing-thing" works

2 out of 5 are firmware - the autoISO ones.. the others? probably not.

My goPro can get 30 and 60 fps full HD out of 12 MP. I can't believe, Canon can't get 60fps out of 20 MP full HD with the 5DIII hardware. But i don't understand that Digic-thing.

 

[lightthief]

- wider-spread AF-Points (please, not more or make it possible to switch some off)

Perhaps I misunderstand your request of the next 5D model, but if not, what you have requested (the ability to switch some AF points off is already available in the 5D mark III. Refer to page 74 (of the English manual, anyway), "Selecting the AF Point Manually." You can select 1, 4 (or 3 along the boundaries), 9 (4 to 6 along the boundaries), 12 (9 along the boundaries) or all 61 points.

Sorry, my fault. I didn't wrote it clear. Using a single af point and changing it, let's say going from the center to one corner AF point takes some clicks with the joystick. if there are more points, it takes more time to reach the most distant point. Very often, i do not have this time and so i do net get the shot i want. That's why i don't want more points (or a menu to switch off every second row and column), but wider spreaded points would be great.
Recomposing didn't work with a fast moving axe or vespa... for portraits the 5DIII AF-positions are good enough for me.

 

[binder]

I live in Canada and am interested in purchasing a MarkIII.... any advice on whether to wait?
Canon has announced a price increase for Canada April 1st, however I would also imagine the price of the MarkIII to drop when the new product is unveiled.... Any insight onto previous camera body launches, and the amount of discount applied to older models?

 

[rrcphoto]

\A new and better sensor would be fine, but to me, without a big IQ improvment, these things alone are worth the upgrade
- wider spreaded AF-Points (please, not more or make it possible to switch some off)
- DPAF for video and touchscreen to set the focus
- autoISO and max. shutter speed up to 1/8000
- autoISO in M mode with ...blaa, you know what i mean
- 60...90...120 fps fullHD

hmmm, a lot is only firmware. Canons "crippling-small-evolution-marketing-thing" works

2 out of 5 are firmware - the autoISO ones.. the others? probably not.

My goPro can get 30 and 60 fps full HD out of 12 MP. I can't believe, Canon can't get 60fps out of 20 MP full HD with the 5DIII hardware. But i don't understand that Digic-thing.

your gopro has a ridiculously sized small sensor as compared to a full frame camera, the smaller the sensor, the smaller the length of wiring on the sensor, the less heat generated by running it fast, and so on.
it's simply much easier to get quicker stuff out of it.

DiGiC as well has some play in there.

 

[lightthief]

\A new and better sensor would be fine, but to me, without a big IQ improvment, these things alone are worth the upgrade
- wider spreaded AF-Points (please, not more or make it possible to switch some off)
- DPAF for video and touchscreen to set the focus
- autoISO and max. shutter speed up to 1/8000
- autoISO in M mode with ...blaa, you know what i mean
- 60...90...120 fps fullHD

hmmm, a lot is only firmware. Canons "crippling-small-evolution-marketing-thing" works

2 out of 5 are firmware - the autoISO ones.. the others? probably not.

My goPro can get 30 and 60 fps full HD out of 12 MP. I can't believe, Canon can't get 60fps out of 20 MP full HD with the 5DIII hardware. But i don't understand that Digic-thing.

your gopro has a ridiculously sized small sensor as compared to a full frame camera, the smaller the sensor, the smaller the length of wiring on the sensor, the less heat generated by running it fast, and so on.
it's simply much easier to get quicker stuff out of it.

DiGiC as well has some play in there.

okay, thank you. If that is the problem, I hope Canon will find a solution for that.

 

[beforeEos Camaras]

I am glad I just bought my 5dmk3. I love it I now need to get the grip for it and 2 600 Speedlight's. plus the 13 month extended warranty is a major plus it may be a end cycle camera but it hits it out of the park for me. ti1>70D>5dmk3 I can use my 400l with and 1.4mk3 extender and get the center point to focus with.