Review of 5DIV from a bird photographer

[arbitrage]

We'll have to agree to disagree on how old his review is (or whether he has updated a previous 'first look'?).

Art Morris apparently sold his 5DSRs to buy 2 5DIVs (a lot of his recent posts are pre-prepared historical ones while he is away in South America) which sorta surprised me considering a lot of his work is in good light in Florida etc where ISO is less of an issue. But I do get the feeling sometimes Art goes hot-and-cold on cameras very easily and dives into the 'the new best thing'.

You said you can get he same image 5DSR/1.4tx as 5DIV/2xtc - so I presume you are cropping to the same FOV.
Is this the case all the way to ISO 3200?
Have your compared 5DSR/1.4tc with 5DIV/1.4tc and cropped both to the same FOV as the 2xtc?

This wildlife photography has so many variables that it seems a law all unto itself :-\

I think it is pretty obvious why AM dives into the newest thing each time.....B&H $$$ for linked purchases. I was really surprised how fast he dropped the 7D2 after singing its praises for a year and then how fast he dumped the 5DSR after calling it the best camera ever. He spent so many blog posts showing how he loved the 50MPs and then quickly turned around and harped on the better ISO of the 5D4 and is now fine with just 30MP....go figure....oh maybe because the demand for new 5DSRs has dropped to a trickle with readily available used copies and the 5D4 is the only camera people are forced to buy new now!!

Even though his type of photography (rarely BIF) doesn't require the 1DXII for anything, he continues to try and make some use of it and post about it because it also isn't readily available used.

I don't mind people making $ but I believe some of AM's tactics are a bit suspect.

In regards to Arash, I don't have any problem with him selling his guides to DPP4 and Bird photography. I have both and they are well written and contain good info. He still puts out his detailed reviews on cameras and lenses that he uses and doesn't jump on any bandwagons to sell gear through B&H. If you look at his reviews over the past few years they are only on gear he loves. He is against the 7D2, against the 5DSR and really only supports the 1 series. This 5D4 review is the most positive one I've seen from him on a non-1 series camera. I think this review is the best out there on the 5D4.

 

[AlanF]

We'll have to agree to disagree on how old his review is (or whether he has updated a previous 'first look'?).

Art Morris apparently sold his 5DSRs to buy 2 5DIVs (a lot of his recent posts are pre-prepared historical ones while he is away in South America) which sorta surprised me considering a lot of his work is in good light in Florida etc where ISO is less of an issue. But I do get the feeling sometimes Art goes hot-and-cold on cameras very easily and dives into the 'the new best thing'.

You said you can get he same image 5DSR/1.4tx as 5DIV/2xtc - so I presume you are cropping to the same FOV.
Is this the case all the way to ISO 3200?
Have your compared 5DSR/1.4tc with 5DIV/1.4tc and cropped both to the same FOV as the 2xtc?

This wildlife photography has so many variables that it seems a law all unto itself :-\

I think it is pretty obvious why AM dives into the newest thing each time.....B&H $$$ for linked purchases. I was really surprised how fast he dropped the 7D2 after singing its praises for a year and then how fast he dumped the 5DSR after calling it the best camera ever. He spent so many blog posts showing how he loved the 50MPs and then quickly turned around and harped on the better ISO of the 5D4 and is now fine with just 30MP....go figure....oh maybe because the demand for new 5DSRs has dropped to a trickle with readily available used copies and the 5D4 is the only camera people are forced to buy new now!!

Even though his type of photography (rarely BIF) doesn't require the 1DXII for anything, he continues to try and make some use of it and post about it because it also isn't readily available used.

I don't mind people making $ but I believe some of AM's tactics are a bit suspect.

In regards to Arash, I don't have any problem with him selling his guides to DPP4 and Bird photography. I have both and they are well written and contain good info. He still puts out his detailed reviews on cameras and lenses that he uses and doesn't jump on any bandwagons to sell gear through B&H. If you look at his reviews over the past few years they are only on gear he loves. He is against the 7D2, against the 5DSR and really only supports the 1 series. This 5D4 review is the most positive one I've seen from him on a non-1 series camera. I think this review is the best out there on the 5D4.

All very true.
It's strange about the dating of the Arash review. I was careful to write that I had seen it on the net, rather than on his blog. Looking at the exifs of downloaded images, it appears that the first are from mid September, the date given on the review, and the more recent birds from late November. So, I think I saw some of the key comments on another forum, and he has finished it off now.

 

[YuengLinger]

We'll have to agree to disagree on how old his review is (or whether he has updated a previous 'first look'?).

Art Morris apparently sold his 5DSRs to buy 2 5DIVs (a lot of his recent posts are pre-prepared historical ones while he is away in South America) which sorta surprised me considering a lot of his work is in good light in Florida etc where ISO is less of an issue. But I do get the feeling sometimes Art goes hot-and-cold on cameras very easily and dives into the 'the new best thing'.

You said you can get he same image 5DSR/1.4tx as 5DIV/2xtc - so I presume you are cropping to the same FOV.
Is this the case all the way to ISO 3200?
Have your compared 5DSR/1.4tc with 5DIV/1.4tc and cropped both to the same FOV as the 2xtc?

This wildlife photography has so many variables that it seems a law all unto itself :-\

I think it is pretty obvious why AM dives into the newest thing each time.....B&H $$$ for linked purchases. I was really surprised how fast he dropped the 7D2 after singing its praises for a year and then how fast he dumped the 5DSR after calling it the best camera ever. He spent so many blog posts showing how he loved the 50MPs and then quickly turned around and harped on the better ISO of the 5D4 and is now fine with just 30MP....go figure....oh maybe because the demand for new 5DSRs has dropped to a trickle with readily available used copies and the 5D4 is the only camera people are forced to buy new now!!

Even though his type of photography (rarely BIF) doesn't require the 1DXII for anything, he continues to try and make some use of it and post about it because it also isn't readily available used.

I don't mind people making $ but I believe some of AM's tactics are a bit suspect.

In regards to Arash, I don't have any problem with him selling his guides to DPP4 and Bird photography. I have both and they are well written and contain good info. He still puts out his detailed reviews on cameras and lenses that he uses and doesn't jump on any bandwagons to sell gear through B&H. If you look at his reviews over the past few years they are only on gear he loves. He is against the 7D2, against the 5DSR and really only supports the 1 series. This 5D4 review is the most positive one I've seen from him on a non-1 series camera. I think this review is the best out there on the 5D4.

Please list two or three review sites that don't make their money by links (click-through). This is a pervasive problem.

As for the mention of Arthur Morris buying two 5DIV's, while I'm finding the camera to be a very strong upgrade to the 5DIII, I believe Arthur Morris is still sponsored by Canon, a longtime "Explorer of Light," and doesn't have to pay for his Canon gear. I might be wrong, but that's how things stood when I attended his workshop several years ago.

And if it is true that the 1DX can better power a big white's AF system, surely a bird photographer would favor the 1DX.

Some pretty bizarre responses to what seemed to me a balanced review from the perspective of a bird photographer. Guess I'm naïve!

 

[AlanF]

And if it is true that the 1DX can better power a big white's AF system, surely a bird photographer would favor the 1DX.

Depends on what the bird photographer mainly does: 5D IV = better resolution; 1DX II = better focussing speed with TCs. A mainly BIF photographer favours the latter, a mainly perched bird photographer the former. Also, the 1DX II is significantly heavier. It's not a "surely" situation, there is a rational choice to be made with pros and cons.

 

[YuengLinger]

And if it is true that the 1DX can better power a big white's AF system, surely a bird photographer would favor the 1DX.

Depends on what the bird photographer mainly does: 5D IV = better resolution; 1DX II = better focussing speed with TCs. A mainly BIF photographer favours the latter, a mainly perched bird photographer the former. Also, the 1DX II is significantly heavier. It's not a "surely" situation, there is a rational choice to be made with pros and cons.

Good point, "surely" was too broad. You clarified. Thanks!

 

[reef58]

I enjoyed the review and thought it was well balanced.