Sadly, the 6dm2 and 5div to be obsolete shortly

[Sarpedon]

I'm not sure how reliable this is, but it does seem like the 6D II is lagging, at least on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/photo/3017941/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_photo_1_2_last

It's #22 on the DSLR list, behind (as far as full-frame cameras go) the D850, D750, 5D Mark IV, and the 5D Mark III.

 

[dolina]

I hope Leica Nikon, Pentax and Sony continue to create better products than Canon.

I say this in the hopes that it forces Canon to create better products in the future.

Features I would like to be present on the 5DsR Mark 2, 5D Mark 5 and 1D X Mark 3 before 2020.

* CFast and SDXC UHS-II with read/writes better than 167MB/s

* Use a Snapdragon 835 or better SoC because DIGIC appears to be worse in terms of performance per watt

* USB Type-C port with USB Power Delivery for charging and Thunderbolt 3 video output and data transfers

* 3.7-inch Multi-touch IPS Wide color (P3) display but never AMOLED due to burn in

* IP67 Splash, Water, and Dust Resistant

* Larger mAh battery in the same form factor.

* No AA filters

* 4K @ 60fps or better

* 1080p @ 120fps or better

* Video bit rate @ more than 167MB/s

 

[unfocused]

I'm not sure how reliable this is, but it does seem like the 6D II is lagging, at least on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/photo/3017941/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_photo_1_2_last

It's #22 on the DSLR list, behind (as far as full-frame cameras go) the D850, D750, 5D Mark IV, and the 5D Mark III.

Yes, I've noticed that as well. Interesting since the 6D long dominated the best sellers list as the most popular full frame camera. I think the D850 is no surprise since it is new and satisfying some pent up demand.

I'm also surprised at how strong the 5D IV sales seem to be, given that it is so much more expensive.

Perhaps the critical reviews have had an impact on 6D II sales. From a purely selfish standpoint, I hope this leads to a price reduction, as I'd like a second full frame body, but don't really want to pay the current price.

 

[Antono Refa]

Issue with Nikon or Canon or Sony is if they ever do release a 200mp, how will we pull the files? Harddrives would fill instantly. Lightroom would crawl. As much as I want the D850, I worry about this 46 mp and how much in $ with hardware space etc. I don't think many people could handle that mess.

1) Who is "we"?

One of the reasons I didn't upgrade from the 5DmkIII to the mkIV, or buy the 5DS, is I don't need the extra resolution, so not wanting to upgrade my computer to handle it.

Actually, there are plenty of occasions, e.g. my family's event, I would happily shot mRaw, if DxO supported it.

2) More resolution isn't just about computer resources, it's also about lenses.

How many lenses, if any, is actually anywhere near 200MP sharp? How much would a set of 200MP lenses cost?

3) And most importantly, how many photographers actually need 200MP? Niche of niche.

I think the MP race is about to end, same as the MHz race ended about a decade ago, as people will realize that not only can't they pay that much, they don't need to.

 

[Aglet]

..Canon 6Dmk 2..is way over priced for a camera with this feature set and purposeful stupid limitations ..

I agree completely.
you don't get all that much for that intro price. It would be more appropriate around $1500usd when you compare it to the competition.
So I'm not surprised if sales volume for the thing drop more quickly than for the original 6D.

Sounds like a good time for you to run out and buy a Nikon D750, or the newer model if you have the cash. If one is buying a new camera, and something out there meets the needs and desires, then that's what one should buy. If you have a bunch of Canon lenses, I hear they hold their value rather well, so you can sell them to finance your new gear. Nikon makes great stuff.

agreed... Always get what you KNOW is going to do the job for your type of shooting.
Don't buy something and hope it's going to improve somehow.. It's highly unlikely to get better in base IQ metrics.
If you need to push image quality performance in some ways then look for reviews of equipment that confirm that it's capable of the output you're after without having to use work-arounds or "technique" because that's likely implying "compromise."
.. speaking from experience.

 

[RGF]

Ok guys, this thread can end now. ;D

Today i leave Canon rumors ...... I have joined team Nikon. ;D

Sold all my CAnon crap and moved.

Canon doesnt listen to thier clients and poorly executed products (as of late) ??? :

Take care and enjoy photography. 8)

Enjoy your new camera. We expect to see you back in a few months (if not weeks)

 

[RGF]

I hope Leica Nikon, Pentax and Sony continue to create better products than Canon.

I say this in the hopes that it forces Canon to create better products in the future.

Features I would like to be present on the 5DsR Mark 2, 5D Mark 5 and 1D X Mark 3 before 2020.

* CFast and SDXC UHS-II with read/writes better than 167MB/s

* Use a Snapdragon 835 or better SoC because DIGIC appears to be worse in terms of performance per watt

* USB Type-C port with USB Power Delivery for charging and Thunderbolt 3 video output and data transfers

* 3.7-inch Multi-touch IPS Wide color (P3) display but never AMOLED due to burn in

* IP67 Splash, Water, and Dust Resistant

* Larger mAh battery in the same form factor.

* No AA filters

* 4K @ 60fps or better

* 1080p @ 120fps or better

* Video bit rate @ more than 167MB/s

Yes competition forces everyone to make better products and as an aside, lower profits. The first is good, the later can have a deleterious impact on the future of the industry as weak / margin players fall discontinue in the market place.

 

[ND]

While I certainly don't think of these cameras as obsolete, and do see them as great cameras- I don't get the inability to see past the system you're holding in your hands.

Many people who think these are great cameras (they are) period., are intentionally looking past new advancements others are putting out or don't need these advancements.

People come to the thread to post about using their 5DIV or 6DII in perfectly ideal situations (base ISO, prints are big enough for me, studio lighting) and laud how great they are. I never work ideal situations and have to push my 6D files to where they nearly fall apart so I welcome the newest advancements and tech.

While my next camera will not be a Canon, and I'll hesitantly have to replace my great lenses for Nikon or Sony compatible glass- I don't think my 6D or the new Canons are garbage- they're just way behind the cutting edge. I originally bought my 6D because it outperformed what was available- not because it was a Canon.
I'd love to buy a new Canon if they have something to offer next year, but I'll have to chase the good sensors and deal with any other trade-offs.

Maybe it's some weird loyalty that blinds folks?
Same reason I don't understand blanket loyalty to a sport team or political party.

The atmosphere here on CR is getting so childish.
I'm on a lot of the big music/guitar, astronomy, and car forums as I have a lot of other interests- but something about this place is way less civil for some reason.
See below for the anonymous "no- you're stupid" reply to my post......

 

[Jopa]

Ok guys, this thread can end now. ;D

Today i leave Canon rumors ...... I have joined team Nikon. ;D

Sold all my CAnon crap and moved.

Canon doesnt listen to thier clients and poorly executed products (as of late) ??? :

Take care and enjoy photography. 8)

Happy trolling the team Nikon before you sell your Nikon crap to move to the team Sony, before you sell your Sony crap and move to the team Fuji, and so on... Farewell!

 

[Jopa]

While I certainly don't think of these cameras as obsolete, and do see them as great cameras- I don't get the inability to see past the system you're holding in your hands.

Many people who think these are great cameras (they are) period., are intentionally looking past new advancements others are putting out or don't need these advancements.

People come to the thread to post about using their 5DIV or 6DII in perfectly ideal situations (base ISO, prints are big enough for me, studio lighting) and laud how great they are. I never work ideal situations and have to push my 6D files to where they nearly fall apart so I welcome the newest advancements and tech.

While my next camera will not be a Canon, and I'll hesitantly have to replace my great lenses for Nikon or Sony compatible glass- I don't think my 6D or the new Canons are garbage- they're just way behind the cutting edge. I originally bought my 6D because it outperformed what was available- not because it was a Canon.
I'd love to buy a new Canon if they have something to offer next year, but I'll have to chase the good sensors and deal with any other trade-offs.

Maybe it's some weird loyalty that blinds folks?
Same reason I don't understand blanket loyalty to a sport team or political party.

The atmosphere here on CR is getting so childish.
I'm on a lot of the big music/guitar, astronomy, and car forums as I have a lot of other interests- but something about this place is way less civil for some reason.
See below for the anonymous "no- you're stupid" reply to my post......

You're not stupid and your post makes sense. But just out of curiosity - how do Canon sensors limit you're creativity?

 

[Talys]

There is no question that capturing more information through the sensor will give you the possibility of squeezing more out of your pictures, which in turn opens the possibility of rescuing some marginal photos, or making soon reasonable photos a little better.

However, there are diminishing returns as you improve the sensor, because the sensor can do nothing to improve lighting or composition, and the best sensor in the world can't tell a story or make a moment. It can't get you to eye-level with your subject. Even if you get more out of the data, you can't create contrast without original highlights and shadows. More data certainly can't make your subject do something memorable.

This is what I mean by diminishing returns: if you have all of the elements to make a great photo -- which includes the lens to bring the image to the sensor -- it really doesn't matter a whole lot which professional full frame sensor you're using to record that image, because they'll all turn out as great photos. Maybe one will be a teenie tiny bit better than the other, but most people will probably just call that taste.

A lot of us hope that the latest whizbang tech gizmo will help us make those great photos, but it's just all great marketing, because in truth, the marginal advantage they give us is miniscule, and practically, zero in comparison to having that awesome image in front of the sensor in the first place.

And no, that doesn't mean I don't want neat tech gizmos or D850 features in a Canon body that I can afford. It just means that after many, many camera body purchases I accept that my next camera body purchase might be something that I really want, but it won't really make my photographs a whole lot better.

I believe that the only way to make my photographs significantly better is to become a better photographer. It's mostly brand/gear-agnostic, especially once it's good stuff, and mostly requires an investment in spending time being critical of my own photography, comparing it to work I think is better, and thinking of, reading about, and trying different ways to improve.

 

[Orangutan]

if you have all of the elements to make a great photo -- which includes the lens to bring the image to the sensor -- it really doesn't matter a whole lot which professional full frame sensor you're using to record that image, because they'll all turn out as great photos.

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I believe that the only way to make my photographs significantly better is to become a better photographer

That's mostly my experience, with some exceptions. Bird photography in full sun can be demanding on DR: a pure white heron may be blown out, or the darker background may be noisy mush if the sensor isn't up to it. I probably have dozens of photos of male wood ducks where either the bright white is clipped or the blacks and dark greens are unsalvageable. I currently shoot a 70D, which does not have DR near the top of the Canon range, so this is not a perfect example. I've had similar experiences with some forest scenes with dappled light. If there's no wind I can bracket; if there's wind...no.

I'm saving my pennies; maybe in a year the price of a refurb 5D4 will be in my reach.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

Ok guys, this thread can end now. ;D

Today i leave Canon rumors ...... I have joined team Nikon. ;D

Sold all my CAnon crap and moved.

Canon doesnt listen to thier clients and poorly executed products (as of late) ??? :

Take care and enjoy photography. 8)

You won't be missed.

I feel bad for the Nikon forums you'll end up infesting though - when you realise that Nikon cameras aren't a replacement for talent and ability, and their own litany of faults...

 

[Keith_Reeder]

I hope Leica Nikon, Pentax and Sony continue to create better products than Canon.

But they don't. That just do some things differently (and not, despite some vociferous opinions, "better")...

 

[Keith_Reeder]

bird photography in full sun can be demanding on DR: a pure white heron may be blown out

Nikon/Sony sensors are not better than Canon sensors at that end of the histogram, though.

 

[Orangutan]

bird photography in full sun can be demanding on DR: a pure white heron may be blown out

Nikon/Sony sensors are not better than Canon sensors at that end of the histogram, though.

Not sure I follow: DR is DR...the "ends" are controlled by exposure settings. The fact that Canon, Nikon, other brands meter differently does not matter, so long as the metering is reliable enough that I can set EC.

 

[SecureGSM]

It appears that Keith meant to say that Canon RAW file contains an extra headroom in highlight areas. I would say there is approximately 2/3 of a stop headroom in 5D IV file. Canon RAW handles clipped highlights better than Sony or Nikon.

bird photography in full sun can be demanding on DR: a pure white heron may be blown out

Nikon/Sony sensors are not better than Canon sensors at that end of the histogram, though.

Not sure I follow: DR is DR...the "ends" are controlled by exposure settings. The fact that Canon, Nikon, other brands meter differently does not matter, so long as the metering is reliable enough that I can set EC.

 

[ND]

While I certainly don't think of these cameras as obsolete, and do see them as great cameras- I don't get the inability to see past the system you're holding in your hands.

Many people who think these are great cameras (they are) period., are intentionally looking past new advancements others are putting out or don't need these advancements.

People come to the thread to post about using their 5DIV or 6DII in perfectly ideal situations (base ISO, prints are big enough for me, studio lighting) and laud how great they are. I never work ideal situations and have to push my 6D files to where they nearly fall apart so I welcome the newest advancements and tech.

While my next camera will not be a Canon, and I'll hesitantly have to replace my great lenses for Nikon or Sony compatible glass- I don't think my 6D or the new Canons are garbage- they're just way behind the cutting edge. I originally bought my 6D because it outperformed what was available- not because it was a Canon.
I'd love to buy a new Canon if they have something to offer next year, but I'll have to chase the good sensors and deal with any other trade-offs.

See below for the anonymous "no- you're stupid" reply to my post......

You're not stupid and your post makes sense. But just out of curiosity - how do Canon sensors limit you're creativity?

They don't fully limit my creativity- but I am hitting walls where I do everything right in the field and end up with sensor issues keeping me from realizing my creative vision at a high level on the back end, in ways that don't come up with a new Nikon or Sony.
I find myself cleaning up sensor flaws/artifacts in post production- not worrying about composition or focus. This tells me that my sensor is my limit at this point. I see it in vivid magenta noise encroaching on 20% of my image if I try to raise shadows or exposure any little bit. The noise isn't even much of an issue with the high ISOs.
I'm dealing with star light and pre-dawn levels of light mostly, and already working with near flawless prime lenses as fast they come.
It's the difficult situations that reveals strengths/weaknesses- this isn't apparent in ideal (daylight with flash, e.g.)
I see less creative or advanced folks realize their vision easier/cleaner with no difference other than access to better sensors. At ISO 100 in nice light I have no issues or DR worries with my 6D. It is a great camera.
But I also don't have those issues with any camera made in the last 6 years.

 

[Jopa]

While I certainly don't think of these cameras as obsolete, and do see them as great cameras- I don't get the inability to see past the system you're holding in your hands.

Many people who think these are great cameras (they are) period., are intentionally looking past new advancements others are putting out or don't need these advancements.

People come to the thread to post about using their 5DIV or 6DII in perfectly ideal situations (base ISO, prints are big enough for me, studio lighting) and laud how great they are. I never work ideal situations and have to push my 6D files to where they nearly fall apart so I welcome the newest advancements and tech.

While my next camera will not be a Canon, and I'll hesitantly have to replace my great lenses for Nikon or Sony compatible glass- I don't think my 6D or the new Canons are garbage- they're just way behind the cutting edge. I originally bought my 6D because it outperformed what was available- not because it was a Canon.
I'd love to buy a new Canon if they have something to offer next year, but I'll have to chase the good sensors and deal with any other trade-offs.

See below for the anonymous "no- you're stupid" reply to my post......

You're not stupid and your post makes sense. But just out of curiosity - how do Canon sensors limit you're creativity?

They don't fully limit my creativity- but I am hitting walls where I do everything right in the field and end up with sensor issues keeping me from realizing my creative vision at a high level on the back end, in ways that don't come up with a new Nikon or Sony.
I find myself cleaning up sensor flaws/artifacts in post production- not worrying about composition or focus. This tells me that my sensor is my limit at this point. I see it in vivid magenta noise encroaching on 20% of my image if I try to raise shadows or exposure any little bit. The noise isn't even much of an issue with the high ISOs.
I'm dealing with star light and pre-dawn levels of light mostly, and already working with near flawless prime lenses as fast they come.
It's the difficult situations that reveals strengths/weaknesses- this isn't apparent in ideal (daylight with flash, e.g.)
I see less creative or advanced folks realize their vision easier/cleaner with no difference other than access to better sensors. At ISO 100 in nice light I have no issues or DR worries with my 6D. It is a great camera.
But I also don't have those issues with any camera made in the last 6 years.

What kind of photography is that? Astro? Would it be possible to see some examples? Are you sure it can't be fixed by using a different technique?

 

[Loswr]

I see less creative or advanced folks realize their vision easier/cleaner with no difference other than access to better sensors. At ISO 100 in nice light I have no issues or DR worries with my 6D. It is a great camera.

Too right, mate. Folks who are truly creative and advanced need to use Nikon or Sony cameras. Canon cameras are for all those unwashed plebes goin' out to take pichurs.

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