Designed in Germany, produced in Japan to Zeiss specified standards and quality control, which the Japanese are very good at.neuroanatomist said:
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Schneider-Kreuznach Announces Three New EF Lenses
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Schneider-Kreuznach is very big in ultra high quality cinema lenses, they have a 50% market share for projection lenses used in theaters, that market is not very visible to camera shooters. They are also big in lenses for cinema cameras, and industrial uses.
Perhaps you've heard of KÄSEMANN polarization elements in those B+W filters - Yup, made by Schneider Optics, which is one of the Schneider-Kreuznach brands, as is Pentacon.
Perhaps you've heard of KÄSEMANN polarization elements in those B+W filters - Yup, made by Schneider Optics, which is one of the Schneider-Kreuznach brands, as is Pentacon.
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I have to laugh when I read something like this.
Zeiss and Schneider both know full well that customers will pay for "perceived" performance. Leica continues to charge what it does because of this perception. They've been "getting away with it" for generations. Can anyone really/honestly see any difference in image quality?
Imagine, though, if you could walk up to a print (a very large print, if you think that helps) and be able to say, with authority, which lens/camera made it. Everyone would _have_ to have that camera/lens combo, right? Well, you can't, not without a priori knowledge, and you never/ever will. But people still buy the myth of quality, regardless of country of origin and are willing to pay through the nose for it.
You can't imagine the gear I see "well heeled" tourists haul around the city I live in. Leica this. Zeiss that. L-glass on the other. And 36mpixel Sony/Nikon for the rest. We're talking 10's of 1,000's of Euros strapped around so many necks that it's shocking to see.
Are their images pleasing them? I certainly hope so, particularly after what they've spent.
Which leads me to my central point: Camera and lenses as BLING. I think this is really what it comes down to.
Image quality differences? Unseen by the outside world (though many on the inside wax lyrical over "test" that prove superiority of one thing over another). Camera/lens brand? Clearly blazoned across the strap and around the front element of the optic.
Impressing strangers can be such an expensive sport.
Zeiss and Schneider both know full well that customers will pay for "perceived" performance. Leica continues to charge what it does because of this perception. They've been "getting away with it" for generations. Can anyone really/honestly see any difference in image quality?
Imagine, though, if you could walk up to a print (a very large print, if you think that helps) and be able to say, with authority, which lens/camera made it. Everyone would _have_ to have that camera/lens combo, right? Well, you can't, not without a priori knowledge, and you never/ever will. But people still buy the myth of quality, regardless of country of origin and are willing to pay through the nose for it.
You can't imagine the gear I see "well heeled" tourists haul around the city I live in. Leica this. Zeiss that. L-glass on the other. And 36mpixel Sony/Nikon for the rest. We're talking 10's of 1,000's of Euros strapped around so many necks that it's shocking to see.
Are their images pleasing them? I certainly hope so, particularly after what they've spent.
Which leads me to my central point: Camera and lenses as BLING. I think this is really what it comes down to.
Image quality differences? Unseen by the outside world (though many on the inside wax lyrical over "test" that prove superiority of one thing over another). Camera/lens brand? Clearly blazoned across the strap and around the front element of the optic.
Impressing strangers can be such an expensive sport.
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ChristopherMarkPerez said:
Actually the last time I saw a lens with Schneider Kreuznach on it was on my dad's Samsung P&S. Zeiss are certainly making the most of their brand name for various lenses from mobiles and upwards. One of the SK tilt shift macros would have been lovely to have but the price is somewhat prohibitive
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ChristopherMarkPerez said:
"Impressing strangers can be such an expensive sport." This go to the top of my list of great quotes
Yes, a RED Porsche with a 1Dx/70-200mm f/2.8 sitting in the passenger seat can get expensive
Middle aged men trying to impress younger women with the size of their lens, is always fun to watch What camera/lens combo you use makes little difference. Fo many years all cameras/lenses are more than good enough.
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Khalai said:
I'd say another significant issue is how this would reflect on their standard lens lineups, if your introducing an "ultra performance" line of lenses then suddenly L series lenses lose a bit of their luster.
As it is Canon and Nikon's ultra performance lenses tend to be long/fast tele primes that they don't make cheaper versions of anyway.
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I don't think Canon will enter this end of the market. I think it would be in the benefit to make a licensing deal with Zeiss and/or Schneider for AF technology. Once canon moves into the 40+ MP range the weakness in their lenses will become very apparent. I don't Canon will make dramatic improvements to their lenses (L+ series?) but allowing a 3rd party to provide ultra high quality glass, would be in the benefit.
Right now they have lost landscape photographers to Nikon. A 40+MP and some Zeiss/Schneider glass (not sure they will need AF but others who want 40+ MP such as model photographers, ..) could use AF
Right now they have lost landscape photographers to Nikon. A 40+MP and some Zeiss/Schneider glass (not sure they will need AF but others who want 40+ MP such as model photographers, ..) could use AF
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RGF said:
Have you tried any top Canon lenses on a 40+ MP body?
None of the lens testers have, but a 7D had a 42MP equivalent sensor. And now the 70D and 7D MK II have sensors that are equivalent to a 51.7 MP FF sensor based on photosite density.
I don't expect to see a issue. People were complaining that Canon lenses could not resolve a 20 MP Body when the 1Ds Mark 3 came out, based on what? Lack of information and fear of the unknown!
I don't expect a problem with a high MP sensor, resolution of the image will increase. My issue is processing time. With newer computers and SSD's, that concern is easing as well.
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Um, let us know how that works out for you after you've slapped that poor old L-glass onto a 40+mpixel body, will you?
In fact, I'll bet a beer (or however many it takes to make this bet attractive to you) that current consumer grade optics of a shockingly wide variety will be more than sufficient to remain critically sharp from wide open down through f/11 on your new Wonder Toy.
Bring your stack of prints (in sizes as large as you feel is required) and let's talk. Deal?
[Question: Why am I so testy on this point? Because I've heard this blather from the camera sales folks every single time there's been a bump in mpixel capacity. Every single time, the old glass has been more than sufficient to the task. The thought of needing "sharper glass" has been repeated so freak'n often that it's now entered into Mainstream Jardon Jingoism.]
In fact, I'll bet a beer (or however many it takes to make this bet attractive to you) that current consumer grade optics of a shockingly wide variety will be more than sufficient to remain critically sharp from wide open down through f/11 on your new Wonder Toy.
Bring your stack of prints (in sizes as large as you feel is required) and let's talk. Deal?
[Question: Why am I so testy on this point? Because I've heard this blather from the camera sales folks every single time there's been a bump in mpixel capacity. Every single time, the old glass has been more than sufficient to the task. The thought of needing "sharper glass" has been repeated so freak'n often that it's now entered into Mainstream Jardon Jingoism.]
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Just look at the history of photography and look why Japanese companies were able to overtake the legendary German ones between the fifties and the sixties. Sometimes aiming too high doesn't help to sell enough.Renzokuken said:
Also, the niche for very expensive products is not usually large enough to sustain many competitors, and entering it may not justify the investment.
How many photographers' customers check each image with specialized instruments to verify if it is the best achievable, or as long as it is 'good enough' for the intended purpose it's ok?
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Here we can read: https://www.schneideroptics.com/xenonff-prime/
There's a link to a price list. $3.995 for most of them, which is pretty much what an Otus cost ...
There's a link to a price list. $3.995 for most of them, which is pretty much what an Otus cost ...
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neuroanatomist said:
What tickles me more is that despite the Germans perfecting the art of car interiors and in the case of BMW, producing quite possibly the finest handling mass produced range of cars in the world, they just can't match the Japanese efficiency when it comes to fuel injectors, timing chains and gearboxes that at least in the UK the German brands are failing at such an alarming rate, it's becoming a bit of a UK joke that whenever there's a traffic jam, there's a broken down German car causing it
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