Scott Kelby 7D Mark II Real World

[Don Haines]

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.

I posted the very same question to another thread here a while ago, and I think it was neuro who answered that it uses the batteries sequentially, thus not paralell

To be expected, Canon is quite zealous in guarding the 1dx-only features (faster af speed, af-linked spot, ..., no Magic Lantern). If they trickle down the af (5d3) & rgb metering (7d2) and don't find anything new to add to the 1d, this will only make them stick more to the exclusive features left.

Quote from: Eldar on Today at 07:20:48 AM

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.




I posted the very same question to another thread here a while ago, and I think it was neuro who answered that it uses the batteries sequentially, thus not paralell

Edit: In all fairness, I asked this question unrelated to the 7D II, so it might yield another answer...Modify message

« Last Edit: Today at 08:06:37 AM by Quasimodo »

Batteries are either mounted in series or in parallel.

If they were mounted in series, a pair of 9 volt batteries would give you an 18 volt battery. Since all the internal electronics is made to run off of a 9V battery, this would mean that instead of regulating from 9V down to 5V, you would now be regulating from 18V down to 5V and you would be wasting a lot of your capacity and building up more heat.... the only exception to this would be the power feed to drive the AF motors of the lenses.... and on some of the big whites they will operate faster with the higher voltage of the 1DX batteries, but certainly not at an even higher 2X LP-E6 voltage.....

Therefore they are not in series.

Mounting in parallel can either be both batteries active at the same time, or with circuitry to switch from one battery to the other once charge on the secondary battery depletes to a certain level. Most cameras do it this way. What will happen is that the camera will operate from the grip battery until it is drained, and then switch over to the internal battery. It is done in this order because the grips are removable and you can not always depend on having the grip mounted. If you did it the other way, you could end up with the scenario where you use the camera for a while, deplete the internal battery down to , say 20% left, remove the grip, and go on shooting with a ready-to-die battery. Much better to deplete the grip battery first, and if you remove it, you still have a well charged internal battery.

 

[Quasimodo]

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.

I posted the very same question to another thread here a while ago, and I think it was neuro who answered that it uses the batteries sequentially, thus not paralell

To be expected, Canon is quite zealous in guarding the 1dx-only features (faster af speed, af-linked spot, ..., no Magic Lantern). If they trickle down the af (5d3) & rgb metering (7d2) and don't find anything new to add to the 1d, this will only make them stick more to the exclusive features left.

Quote from: Eldar on Today at 07:20:48 AM

Regarding the extra grip, which provide double battery capacity. Does anyone know if they are using the batteries in parallel, to boost torque for faster AF speed? If they havn't, I'll drop the grip and just carry an extra battery, as I have done with my various 5D bodies.




I posted the very same question to another thread here a while ago, and I think it was neuro who answered that it uses the batteries sequentially, thus not paralell

Edit: In all fairness, I asked this question unrelated to the 7D II, so it might yield another answer...Modify message

« Last Edit: Today at 08:06:37 AM by Quasimodo »

Batteries are either mounted in series or in parallel.

If they were mounted in series, a pair of 9 volt batteries would give you an 18 volt battery. Since all the internal electronics is made to run off of a 9V battery, this would mean that instead of regulating from 9V down to 5V, you would now be regulating from 18V down to 5V and you would be wasting a lot of your capacity and building up more heat.... the only exception to this would be the power feed to drive the AF motors of the lenses.... and on some of the big whites they will operate faster with the higher voltage of the 1DX batteries, but certainly not at an even higher 2X LP-E6 voltage.....

Therefore they are not in series.

Mounting in parallel can either be both batteries active at the same time, or with circuitry to switch from one battery to the other once charge on the secondary battery depletes to a certain level. Most cameras do it this way. What will happen is that the camera will operate from the grip battery until it is drained, and then switch over to the internal battery. It is done in this order because the grips are removable and you can not always depend on having the grip mounted. If you did it the other way, you could end up with the scenario where you use the camera for a while, deplete the internal battery down to , say 20% left, remove the grip, and go on shooting with a ready-to-die battery. Much better to deplete the grip battery first, and if you remove it, you still have a well charged internal battery.

Thank you, this was informative

 

[Eldar]

When using the grip you do not have any batteriy in the camera, but 2 in the extra grip. It would take fairly simple circuitry to run them in parallel to boost power. You could even make it programmable to select parallel or sequential. More boost would benefit the majority of my use, wheras the grip on/off would most likely never be an issue.

 

[Don Haines]

When using the grip you do not have any batteriy in the camera, but 2 in the extra grip. It would take fairly simple circuitry to run them in parallel to boost power. You could even make it programmable to select parallel or sequential. More boost would benefit the majority of my use, wheras the grip on/off would most likely never be an issue.

As I do a facepalm for what I said earlier....

You are right.... the Canon's remove the internal battery for the grip to be installed, and the grip has 2 batteries. Some cameras leave the internal battery in place, but not Canon DSLRs.. I have not verified this myself, but I was told that on the Canon grips one battery will discharge, and then the other....

 

[Sabaki]

Hi Everybody:
Just wanted to clarify a few things from the broadcast that I saw were questions here:

(1) It's is 20.2 megapixels and always has been since I first heard of the camera. That was just a total brain-freeze on my part. I don't have a 24-megapixel version. That was just me misstating one of the specs.
(2) The reason I didn't shoot in Raw was because I don't have any program that is updated to support the unreleased camera. No support yet for Lightroom or Camera Raw, so I had to shoot JPEGs. That being said, I shoot JPEGs for sports either way, but I would have shot some just for example purposes.
(3) I am not sponsored by Canon. I hope to be one day, but at this point, I am not so I bought my Canon gear by selling my Nikon gear -- it was not given to me by Canon. I did get some loaner gear to try out. Nikon let me use loaner gear from time to time, too. So did Sony. Now, if I could just get Hassleblad… ;-)

High five to Forum member Sabaki. I'm with ya.

All my best,

-Scott Kelby

Hey Scott, thanks for the shout out.

I've gotta question that I hope you won't mind giving your opinion on;

The image quality of the 70D vs 7D markii, is it largely similar or could you see a clear difference between the two?

Thanks buddy

 

[DominoDude]

Hi Everybody:
Just wanted to clarify a few things from the broadcast that I saw were questions here:

(1) It's is 20.2 megapixels and always has been since I first heard of the camera. That was just a total brain-freeze on my part. I don't have a 24-megapixel version. That was just me misstating one of the specs.
(2) The reason I didn't shoot in Raw was because I don't have any program that is updated to support the unreleased camera. No support yet for Lightroom or Camera Raw, so I had to shoot JPEGs. That being said, I shoot JPEGs for sports either way, but I would have shot some just for example purposes.
(3) I am not sponsored by Canon. I hope to be one day, but at this point, I am not so I bought my Canon gear by selling my Nikon gear -- it was not given to me by Canon. I did get some loaner gear to try out. Nikon let me use loaner gear from time to time, too. So did Sony. Now, if I could just get Hassleblad… ;-)

High five to Forum member Sabaki. I'm with ya.

All my best,

-Scott Kelby

Thanks for the clarification, Scott.
It was easy to check in the video, and in your posted jpeg's, that the resolution was that of a 20 MP body, but some people didn't bother to, or didn't ask you directly.
I appreciate the focus on using the camera in this video, and showing how potent it is in the hands of someone who needs it to deliver. Also the comparisons to the "big brother" made for easy use of phrases like "nearly as good", "almost the quality of" and similar. Any comparisons to the minor brothers could have meant you had to bring up flaws in them to make the 7D Mark II look better; thus leading to later reviews that could have the 7D Mark II be torn apart for not being as good as stated or expected.

Looking forward to more from you and your KelbyOne team!

 

[sgs8r]

A typical Kelby review full of breathless enthusiasm (and a lot of time wasted by RC's generally superfluous comments). A few comments:

1. Without experience with the original 7D, some context is lost. One of the main complaints is that without noise improvement, Canon could have added the 5D3 AF to the 7D and come out with this camera 2 years ago.

2. Yes the 1.6 factor may allow HS sports shooters to get by without a $10k sports lens (not sure what they are thinking of for $5k), but without significant high ISO improvement over the 7D, they will still need to put their camera away when the sun goes down. I'm happy with my 7D up to 1600, but that's not enough to shoot night games under typical HS lights. After reading the 7D2 reports, I got a 5D3 instead. Now I use the my 7D in bright light and the 5D3 at night.

3. If you are shooting jpg, some NR and sharpening is already baked in! To repeatedly say "I don't do any NR" or "this is without any NR or sharpening" is misleading. And most cameras slow way down in raw after the buffer is full. This is mostly the camera-card interface. In jpg the 5D3 bursts pretty well (though the 7D2 can supposedly do 10 fps until the card is full.

4. I thought the wedding photos were a little soft and lacking in detail. But this may partly be the video conversion/compression.

5. His complaints were a joke. Can't lock images without a CFunc change? Showing only starred images in Photo Mechanic? Starring (via the rate button) and locking seem equivalent to me. LR doesn't even have locking, but it will pick up stars from PM. And it takes just a click or two to show the starred images in PM. It's almost like complaining that the Info button is labelled "info" instead of "data". And I always have the center button (inside the wheel) set to "Playback" so I just hit the button, then scroll with my thumb. Seems pretty fast to me. These complaints seem more intended as indirect praise ("Well, if that's the worst thing about the camera then it must be awesome!").

This may seem a bit harsh. I like Scott and enjoy a lot of his stuff. But I get tired of the excessive hype ("This will CHANGE the way you think about photography!"). And a lot seems targeted at noobs and doesn't hold up so well for more experienced photographers. Admittedly, noobs are really where the $ is, so who cares what I (or CR) think. We aren't his target demographic.

 

[OrangeCrush]

I know this may be a stretch but how likely would it be for the bodies that Scott tested to not be like the bodies that will be released? I forget the key words that were used something like AS Tested...how likely Canon could/would give him a couple of bodies that have cleaner out put than the ones that come off the production line?

 

[2n10]

I know this may be a stretch but how likely would it be for the bodies that Scott tested to not be like the bodies that will be released? I forget the key words that were used something like AS Tested...how likely Canon could/would give him a couple of bodies that have cleaner out put than the ones that come off the production line?

He received a beta camera so it wasn't off of the production line. As to cherry picked for excellence...?

 

[privatebydesign]

I know this may be a stretch but how likely would it be for the bodies that Scott tested to not be like the bodies that will be released? I forget the key words that were used something like AS Tested...how likely Canon could/would give him a couple of bodies that have cleaner out put than the ones that come off the production line?

Zero.

In fact the preproduction versions output is not normally not as good as the final production versions. They will keep playing with the code until the last possible minute, which is why a 'first' version is often FW 1.+.

 

[Don Haines]

I know this may be a stretch but how likely would it be for the bodies that Scott tested to not be like the bodies that will be released? I forget the key words that were used something like AS Tested...how likely Canon could/would give him a couple of bodies that have cleaner out put than the ones that come off the production line?

Zero.

In fact the preproduction versions output is not normally not as good as the final production versions. They will keep playing with the code until the last possible minute, which is why a 'first' version is often FW 1.+.

A firmware update! Inconceivable! Inconceivable! This has never happened before!
EOS-1D X Firmware Version 2.0.3
EOS 5D Mark III Firmware Version 1.2.3
EOS 6D Firmware Version 1.1.4
EOS 7D Firmware Version 2.0.5
EOS 60D/60Da Firmware Version 1.1.1
EOS REBEL T5i / EOS 700D Firmware Version 1.1.3
EOS REBEL T3i / EOS 600D Firmware Version 1.0.2
EOS REBEL T3 / EOS 1100D Firmware Version 1.0.5

oh wait.... it has happened.... and this leads us to a more important question.... how come there hasn't been an update for the 70D post-release?