so the EOS-Bull and T5i are announced this week... no 70D as it seems

[Canon-F1]

Lmao...SO GET THE D800!
Canon is still improving, and just cause they don't improve in what YOU want doesn't mean jack to the companies standing in innovation.

well many have, for the reason i stated.

but i have 15000+ euro worth of canon glass.. i can´t just switch.

and it´s a shame i have to explain that to every brand loyal fanboy with a 1100D and a kit lens.
when i had not such a massive investment in canon .. i would have switched to a D800E a long time ago.

 

[Skirball]

If Canon doesn't release a 70D or 7D2 that are really outstanding with close (but not as good) ISO performance as the 6D, 5D3 & 1DX and updated sensors i'll just have to invest into a 17-40L and 6D or move to the dark side.

You're really expecting the 70D, or even 7D2 for that matter, to have close to the same ISO performance as the latest model FF cameras?

 

[Loswr]

every time someone mentions the D800 is the better landscape camera some people here behave like kids.

No it's not. My dad's camera can beat up your dad's camera anyway.

Seriously, though...anyone with some common sense should acknowledge that, at least from the standpoint of sensor-based IQ. But it's a tool, that's all. If I need to drive in a nail, the best screwdriver in the world isn't going to help me much.

 

[RS2021]

If Canon doesn't release a 70D or 7D2 that are really outstanding with close (but not as good) ISO performance as the 6D, 5D3 & 1DX and updated sensors i'll just have to invest into a 17-40L and 6D or move to the dark side.

You're really expecting the 70D, or even 7D2 for that matter, to have close to the same ISO performance as the latest model FF cameras?

He may be closer to the mark than you think...
Perhaps not the 70D...but I fully expect future 7D2 to rival high ISO of not just 5D3, may be even the 1DX... it will jive well with the intended use of a cropped high speed camera. The price will probably reflect that.

 

[wickidwombat]

If Canon doesn't release a 70D or 7D2 that are really outstanding with close (but not as good) ISO performance as the 6D, 5D3 & 1DX and updated sensors i'll just have to invest into a 17-40L and 6D or move to the dark side.

You're really expecting the 70D, or even 7D2 for that matter, to have close to the same ISO performance as the latest model FF cameras?

He may be closer to the mark than you think...
Perhaps not the 70D...but I fully expect future 7D2 to rival high ISO of not just 5D3, may be even the 1DX... it will jive well with the intended use of a cropped high speed camera. The price will probably reflect that.

if thats true i can't wait top see what the next gen FF sensors deliver

 

[RS2021]

Wiki, you need to correct your post...you entered your text in the middle of my words

 

[wickidwombat]

Wiki, you need to correct your post...you entered your text in the middle of my words

woops

fixed :-[

 

[RS2021]

Wiki, you need to correct your post...you entered your text in the middle of my words

woops

fixed :-[

Hehe...tnx...it just flows better that way ;D

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Since CR posted no 70D this weeks a few days ago, I'd say it isn't coming. The two Rebels will likely have the new hybrid sensor that first appeared in the T4i.

If the 70D is a minor upgrade to the 60D, I'd have no interest in it either. Without AFMA, I'd probably skip a camera unless it was for manual focus.

For the likely price of a 7D MK II, I'd prefer a 1D MK IV.

 

[Hobby Shooter]

The negativity and whining on this site are unbelievable.

Anyone would think that you were being forced to buy Canon gear at gunpoint, and that every camera they produce should appeal to you personally and blow the 1dx spec out of the water but cost £500.

Honestly, this is a great site with an active forum, but the bitching and whining is enough to put anyone off!

Didn't you get the memo?

Dialog with useful information: 15-25%
Dialog with bitching & whining: 100%

the math puzzles me but anyway...

posts to boost and support fanboy moral: 50%

Ha ha, that's funny, expecially since many people's definition of a Canon fanboy is someone who's fed up with hearing small a minority on this forum that D800 is sooooooooooooo goooooooood. If so, then I am happy to be called a fanboy.

Seriously, about this launch. If I was in the market for a 70D or a 7D2 I might be a bit disappointed, but I am set for gear for quite some time now. I might admit to being a bit surprised that they haven't gotten those out earlier. On the other hand, it's like someone said here, Canon have launched three FF bodies quite recently and it's quite much even for a large company like Canon. It'll be fun to see the 7D2 and 70D when they eventually come.

 

[KarstenReis]

This was posted on Canon Rumors Twitter about 3 hours ago. Maybe we might see the 70D soon. Easter isn't too far away.
https://twitter.com/canonrumorsguy/status/314133618815553536

 

[Don Haines]

Let's be fair... Canon released three major full frame upgrades in the past 12 month cycle...3 actually before the end of the year 2012...1DX, 5D3, and 6D....

So now they are releasing a few for the average consumer aka non-fanboys... come on now boys...seriously... How many bodies more can Canon release in quick succession? If you were them, wouldn't you want to pace yourself?

How can they possibly keep on releasing major updated bodies and lenses every two weeks because forum members expect something new to chew on and dissect? hmm?

Exactly!
2012 was the year of FF, it looks like 2013 will be the year af APS-C, so count on new FF in 2014.

 

[Don Haines]

every time someone mentions the D800 is the better landscape camera some people here behave like kids.

No it's not. My dad's camera can beat up your dad's camera anyway.

Seriously, though...anyone with some common sense should acknowledge that, at least from the standpoint of sensor-based IQ. But it's a tool, that's all. If I need to drive in a nail, the best screwdriver in the world isn't going to help me much.

Yeah.... well my Dad's camera is a very old and solid film (gasp!) NIKON (GASP!!!!!)

..... and my sweatheart's camera ( well one of the cameras...) is an 8X10.... but then, what did Ansel Adams know about landscape photography anyway?

....and a #2 robertson screwdriver (square head) makes a great nail countersink....

 

[iP337]

This has been the most useless thread I've ever read... lol

 

[sagittariansrock]

Let's be fair... Canon released three major full frame upgrades in the past 12 month cycle...3 actually before the end of the year 2012...1DX, 5D3, and 6D....

So now they are releasing a few for the average consumer aka non-fanboys... come on now boys...seriously... How many bodies more can Canon release in quick succession? If you were them, wouldn't you want to pace yourself?

How can they possibly keep on releasing major updated bodies and lenses every two weeks because forum members expect something new to chew on and dissect? hmm?

Exactly!
2012 was the year of FF, it looks like 2013 will be the year af APS-C, so count on new FF in 2014.

I am pretty sure there will be at least one, more likely two, APS-C bodies that will address high ISO performance released in 2013. Just not this March, but soon. I'd keep checking back without holding my breath. And I got the excellent 7D to keep me company till then.
And the Sigma 30mm/1.4. Yum!

 

[Skirball]

If Canon doesn't release a 70D or 7D2 that are really outstanding with close (but not as good) ISO performance as the 6D, 5D3 & 1DX and updated sensors i'll just have to invest into a 17-40L and 6D or move to the dark side.

You're really expecting the 70D, or even 7D2 for that matter, to have close to the same ISO performance as the latest model FF cameras?

He may be closer to the mark than you think...
Perhaps not the 70D...but I fully expect future 7D2 to rival high ISO of not just 5D3, may be even the 1DX... it will jive well with the intended use of a cropped high speed camera. The price will probably reflect that.

So you think that Canon just released 3 new FF cameras using older sensor technology, saving the latest and greatest for a crop sensor to release a year later? Presuming it has the latest in AF to match its predecessor, don't you think that would steer a lot of the potential market away from the more expensive FF lines?

 

[Canon-F1]

So you think that Canon just released 3 new FF cameras using older sensor technology, saving the latest and greatest for a crop sensor to release a year later? Presuming it has the latest in AF to match its predecessor, don't you think that would steer a lot of the potential market away from the more expensive FF lines?

i start to think the 7D MK2 will be a beefed up 7D in all regards except the sensor.
i would even bet it will have the same sensor technology as current APS-C cameras.
maybe 22 MP... but same old sensor tech.

then in 2014 we will see a high megapixel FF camera that will have a complete new sensor design.
for 8000$ of course. after that the new sensor design will be put into the other canon cams.

so until late 2014 early 2015 we are stuck with the senors we have.

 

[Don Haines]

If Canon doesn't release a 70D or 7D2 that are really outstanding with close (but not as good) ISO performance as the 6D, 5D3 & 1DX and updated sensors i'll just have to invest into a 17-40L and 6D or move to the dark side.

You're really expecting the 70D, or even 7D2 for that matter, to have close to the same ISO performance as the latest model FF cameras?

He may be closer to the mark than you think...
Perhaps not the 70D...but I fully expect future 7D2 to rival high ISO of not just 5D3, may be even the 1DX... it will jive well with the intended use of a cropped high speed camera. The price will probably reflect that.

So you think that Canon just released 3 new FF cameras using older sensor technology, saving the latest and greatest for a crop sensor to release a year later? Presuming it has the latest in AF to match its predecessor, don't you think that would steer a lot of the potential market away from the more expensive FF lines?

Someone has to be first.... when the new technology is ready the will start to use it in ALL new releases. And besides, follow the money.... the lower down you go in the camera line, the greater the sales. Canon makes much more money off of the Rebels than the pro cameras... from a financial perspective it may be more important to upgrade them first.... Also, for fabrication reasons, I can see the smaller sensors being manufactured first.

And with the pressures facing p/s cameras from the cell phone crowd, I can see the EOS-B being FAR more important to Canon than any of the pro or enthusiast models.

 

[Skirball]

So you think that Canon just released 3 new FF cameras using older sensor technology, saving the latest and greatest for a crop sensor to release a year later? Presuming it has the latest in AF to match its predecessor, don't you think that would steer a lot of the potential market away from the more expensive FF lines?

i start to think the 7D MK2 will be a beefed up 7D in all regards except the sensor.
i would even bet it will have the same sensor technology as current APS-C cameras.
maybe 22 MP... but same old sensor tech.

then in 2014 we will see a high megapixel FF camera that will have a complete new sensor design.
for 8000$ of course. after that the new sensor design will be put into the other canon cams.

so until late 2014 early 2015 we are stuck with the senors we have.

More MP is fine and all, and I see the point in a crop sensor, but that's not going to help ISO. They'd need radically new sensor technology to get a crop sensor camera to match the performance of a FF. Not saying that can't happen, just that it'd be a bold slap in the face for Canon to release three new FF only to follow up with a crop a year later with this new technology.

 

[Albi86]

More MP is fine and all, and I see the point in a crop sensor, but that's not going to help ISO. They'd need radically new sensor technology to get a crop sensor camera to match the performance of a FF. Not saying that can't happen, just that it'd be a bold slap in the face for Canon to release three new FF only to follow up with a crop a year later with this new technology.

Unless they want to push people to buy both. However, I don't think it's going to be a real threat for the FF line. As someone suggested, it's likely to be the pinnacle of APS-C performance and have a very poisonous price tag. However, it remains to be seen if the new sensor is going to appear at some stage.