Some Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR2]

[KiagiJ]

The 5D3 was way below 1DX high iso quality yet the 5D4 is almost as good as 1DX2, so anything's possible as they're not keeping their same strong difference this generation. Sucks as i wanted my 1dx2 to be amazing

I'm looking forward to it as it may be the lightest and only ff dpaf canon for video as my 1dx2 is tiring one handed on a glidecam! so weight reduction is apprecaited

So you hate your 1DX2 because the 5D4 sensor has catched up to it? Sounds like you know what photography is about , i certainly see why you invest 4500 $$ into a camera to boost your photography ~~.

I didn't say I hate my camera mofo. I love my 1dx2, I was just expecting it to be way better iso performance than my 6d, which is a shame as it isn't much better. You'd expect it to be at 6gs and 3 years later technology

But it's amazing for everything else it can do so I'm happy overall of course

 

[JohanCruyff]

Am I the only who would like to see an electronic level in the viewfinder (both horizontal and vertical)?

 

[Woody]

I am surprised to see this level of interest in an entry level FF DSLR.

Based on the multiple posts I've read, I am almost inclined to believe MILCs are all the rage while DSLRs are stillborn before their release.

;D ;D ;D

 

[Maiaibing]

Good set of specs for the 6D successor. My biggest complaint with my 6D is the sub-par AF points. Only center one is cross type.

It would be nice if it has the 5D Mark iii AF points (since the original 6D inherited the 5D Mark ii AF points)

No. That would be bad since the 6D centre point goes down to -3ev and the 5DIII only down to -2ev. This is a critical difference because -2ev to -3ev is exactly dusk/dawn light levels. Lack of improved low light AF (and no real image quality improvement) was the reason I did not replace my 5DII's with 5DIII's.

Also, the 6D did not inherit the original 5DII AF points.

 

[Maiaibing]

The question is how will Canon nerf this thing to keep the 5D4 price up where it is: what *won't* the 6D2 get that the 5D4 did? For $2k, there must be some fairly major takeaways.

My guess at the 'never gonna happen on the 6D2' list:

5D4 sensor

- A

Not going to be the same for sure due to the MPIX count. However, the 6D had a superior sensor to the 5DIII. So I hope 6DII also gets a superior sensor to the 5DIV.

In fact we have seen a consistent Canon sensor improvement for each of these FF's over time - even if it sometimes has been very marginal like the MPIX count from 5DII to 5DIII:

5D<5DII<5DIII<6D<5DS/R<5DIV

 

[Ivan Muller]

mmmmm I got the 80D about six months ago and it has been the canon body which I have liked the least...the shutter is loud, focusing is overly complicated with inconsistent results and high iso performance is very poor compared to my 6D...in fact the 80d has made me fall in love with my 6D all over again...its simple to use, dependable with fantastic high iso quality..so much so that I have gotten used to shooting professionally at the higher iso's of between 800 and 3200 so often that it has become my new 'normal'...so...not sure what more I would really like in the 6Dmk2??

I hope the outer Af points are more accurate and usable...

touch screen

Video like the 80D

100% viewfinder

24mp will be enough for me especially if it means the high iso noise is better than the mk1 and 5D4

And please give us a joystick or even the M5 solution to moving the Af points

Vertical and horizontal spirit level...even my M3 has that

 

[Sabaki]

I'd like the following:

* Intelligent Viewfinder (ala 7Dii)
* 100% Viewfinder
* 30+ AF points
* Wide AF point spread
* 1/250 sync speed
* Better bulb mode implementation (I find going into sub menus a beit of a schlep)

As an entry level FF body, the 6D is pretty damn sweet as it is

 

[jedy]

I am surprised to see this level of interest in an entry level FF DSLR.

Based on the multiple posts I've read, I am almost inclined to believe MILCs are all the rage while DSLRs are stillborn before their release.

;D ;D ;D

Judging by all the excitement around the false rumour that the 6D II would be mirrorless, you might not be far off! ;D

 

[GMCPhotographics]

I really hope that canon keeps the interchangeable view finder screens of the 6D and 5DII. It's something that's sadly missing from the 5D3/4 range.

 

[M_S]

If the rumored spec list is true, upgrade in sensor tech from 1Dx II, 5DIV, etc carries over and it is limited in the above ways, I would still be tempted. Biggest limitations to me will be the f/8 AF points and the ergonomics. I very much enjoy shooting my 5DIII. I'd hate to give up the joystick, wheel, etc.

Great point -- it's poll time. 5D3 owners who skipped the 5D4 only, please:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=31726.0

Why limit to 5D MKIII owners? Surely they should consider the 5D MKIV otherwise they will go backwards with some features. Makes more sense to ask 6D users (Im one) and based on this speculative spec. and if the AF is bumped up to at least 45AF points & the 7650 RGB-IR metering employed Im in as a 6D replacement (its my second camera to the 5DS).

- A

First, if you can write > 1000 posts here, you can learn to quote. ;D

Second, I am fully aware that all sorts of people upgrade to Canon's FF rigs, but I specifically wanted to pick the brain of people in my situation: 5D3 owners that didn't snap up a 5D4. Are they sitting this entire cycle out, are they waiting up until the 6D2 specs formally drop to make a 6D2 vs 5D4 decision, etc.?

It's a selfish question, I admit, but I find it an interesting one to poll the forum with.

- A

I will at least have a look at the 6d2 and follow the news about that camera. The 5D4 is out of the question price and spec-wise. I will have a serious look at Sonys upcoming cameras when they finally can manage to come out with an excellent 16-35 (rumour has it) and perhaps a future 5Dsr2. For now, I will just use my 5D3 a bit longer.

 

[Takingshots]

I will compare the specs 6D v.II to the newly release GH5. I think it is comparable in pricing but GH5 so far has good review.

 

[Luds34]

Fix/Improve the AF system in the current 6D... everything else is just candy.

I agree on the AF, but the lack of a tilty-flippy screen is a massive feature hole in the FF lineup. Nikon has it in the D750 (and surely in the D610 follow up), Sony has it on all 'II' versions of their A7 rigs, and it just makes perfect sense for Canon to have one with its great video AF.

A tilty-flippy is simply needed somewhere in all these FF bodies, and the 6D2 (as the enthusiast's champion) would appear to be that body. Make the great 'full-frame 80D' the people want, I say.

- A

That's a valid point that I can agree with. I personally could take it or leave. There is something more clean about not having a screen that pops out. On the other hand I do miss having one like I did with my 70D at times and they are useful. Either way the fact that is is missing from the entire FF lineup is a valid feature hole. Either way, I'll still say the flippy screen is part of the candy... bonus stuff.

 

[jeffa4444]

This has been my consistent wish list based on extensive use of the current 6D since 2013 and taking other Canon developments into consideration since its launch.

28MP dual pixel sensor
45 point cross type AF (centre dual-cross type)
63 zone with 7,560 pixel RGB+IR metering sensor
100% viewfinder coverage
Anti-flicker
Max. Shutter speed 1/8000 to 30sec
Intervalometer
Flash sync at 1/250
6fps continuos shooting
NFC
Dual pixel AF focusing
Customised quick menu
Improve weather seals (mainly to buttons).

Retain from current camera

GPS
Wi-Fi (but improve the connectivity which is arcane)
Dynamic range
LP-E6N battery

Body size is already good compromise, slightly lighter would be cool. I'm less concerned about a flippy screen I use my iPhone & Wi-Fi to remotely fire the camera, view scene & images taken when the camera is on a tripod but understand others desire for this. Touch screen would be neat point & shoot has had this for years but again not a deal breaker for me.

The 6D has been a stellar camera, underrated by many I think unfairly but for me its produced some great results and was my entry into FF. As a hobby shooter myself I don't think I would have bought the 5DS without first buying the 6D so Canon should retain an entry level FF camera or someone else will fill that void.

 

[K]

I've been the biggest critic on this forum of Canon for not offering dual card slots on a ~$2,000 FF body camera - and it looks like Canon is finally waking up or responding to market standards. Dual slots, particularly SD slots, is a HUGE win here and that alone is going to make this camera so much more viable for so many more users.

A $2,000 FF Canon is going to eat up and demolish the Nikon advantage among low-budget entry level pros and semi-pros and part-timers. That option was not there for many, because not everyone is crazy enough to shoot a critical event like a wedding and bet it all on a stupid single CF or SD card surviving.

I'm happy with dual SD, I also hope they are UHS-II capable but I strongly doubt they will do that.


To me, all the other specs can be mediocre and I'm still happy. It's going to be a great camera.

The other big want --- a 45pt AF system. I really hope they give us at least 45 points. Or maybe more? Like the 5D3 or 5DS AF? Who knows. What counts here is more points to be able to change the focus point, not necessarily to have blazing fast sports grade AF. So if they have to "nerf" the AF, it ought to be on speed and intelligence, not on points. At this stage in camera market development, a lot of lower cost options have many points to choose from for composition. Given the trends in other cameras - 45 is a good baseline to expect.

I really hope the center AF point is -3EV or better which I expect it to be. Expecting -3.5 or -4. Although,

4K - who cares. You can also forget that. The 5D4 doesn't do 4K the way people want, why would the 6D2?


Bigger viewfinder...this means 100% or a lot closer to it than the 6D was. This is very welcome feature. Any improvement here is helpful. This is also an indicator that yes, we probably will see a more serious AF system too.

What's the catch? I'm thinking 5 fps. They really could do 6 like the 5D3. The Nikon D750 IIRC does 6.5 so it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect 6. But knowing Canon, that's too close to the 5D4 and they gotta keep some separation there.

What's the other catch? Probably a small buffer. That will run in line with the 5 fps to make sure this thing isn't too useful for action. That and they can blame it on the SD cards. Even though SD cards are pretty fast these days. And UHS II is capable of even more. If they put UHS-II people will then question the FPS of the camera. Some product segmentation like this is reasonable. I mean, we can't have a do-everything camera for $2K.


28MP is nice. To me this is the least important factor. At this stage in the game, if you want MP, you have other cameras to look at like the 5DSR. Either go big or go home, because they are all very similar in the 24 - 30mp range.

What is important is the newest possible sensor with the best possible ISO and DR performance.


Touch screren? Great! Tilt screen? Great! No flip out articulating? That's OK...it isn't a video camera, it's mainly for stills. And tilt up/down helps tremendously.

Think of it this way guys....if you are relying on the articulating screen as your video viewfinder -- then you obviously are not doing serious professional video since you're not mounting the camera to a rig to be more stable. Folks who do that, also get external view finders and mics and grips, and external recording devices and all kinds of other stuff which allows them to extract the most quality out of the sensor as possible.

If you're not doing that, your on-the-go video is not going to be as smooth, which negates any advantage of FF. Therefore, you might as well just get an 80D for the amateurish video anyway. Or better yet, an G40 camcorder. Those are nice.


6D2 will likely lack some other pro type features found in the 5D4, but that is OK. At the end of the day - the specs are looking very good and if these hold up, Canon will have my $2000 as soon as preorders are available.

6D2 will sell like crazy. A 6D2 with these specs and some of the hopeful specs I mentioned above will bring NEW people over to Canon.

There will also be plenty of Nikon defectors who have been salivating to use some of the great Canon glass, but weren't impressed by the bodies. The Nikonians drool over the 50 1.2 and others...These are people with a APS-C or older Nikon FF who haven't yet invested in a complete FF frame lens lineup. They are full time or part time local type pros working. They often use 3rd party lenses and might only have 1 or 2 pro glass. They haven't commited to all Nikon glass, because they aren't committed long term to that system. That's the market. Those people ready to upgrade to something new and a solid system will ditch Nikon.

Canon is a better overall system for churning out jobs. Those who actually work for a living know that nonsense like 1ev more DR at ISO 100 is practically useless in the real world. Canon is more attractive to them for various reasons, but it is not attractive at a $3,300 entry price for body only. Now, for that price they'll be able to get into FF Canon and have money for the 50 1.2 ...this is a big difference at a starting point.

 

[K]

This has been my consistent wish list based on extensive use of the current 6D since 2013 and taking other Canon developments into consideration since its launch.

28MP dual pixel sensor
45 point cross type AF (centre dual-cross type)
63 zone with 7,560 pixel RGB+IR metering sensor
100% viewfinder coverage
Anti-flicker
Max. Shutter speed 1/8000 to 30sec
Intervalometer
Flash sync at 1/250
6fps continuos shooting
NFC
Dual pixel AF focusing
Customised quick menu
Improve weather seals (mainly to buttons).

Retain from current camera

GPS
Wi-Fi (but improve the connectivity which is arcane)
Dynamic range
LP-E6N battery

While your specs are NOT unreasonable given we're in 2017, and given the trends in other cameras and knowing Canon's history -- these specs make the 6D2 too strong and you have to ask yourself...who will buy the 5D4 with 6D2 specs like that?


What is it about the 5D4 that will warrant an additional $1,300?

I'm thinking they go for -

5 FPS + small buffer
45pt AF at best...still a chance they do a 19pt system (yuck!!!)
No 100% viewfinder, but closer than the 6D was.
1/180 Sync Speed
1/4000 Shutter
Same as 6D weather sealing.


Some of the above are key enough to deter serious pros from using this as a cheaper alternative. Big thing is the sync speed and max shutter. This is a huge sign that says NOT FOR YOU for certain market segments. And that's ok. The 6D2 isn't going to be intended to be a serious studio camera. On the FPS, it isn't supposed to compete with the 5D4 as the ultimate events camera (like weddings).


It will have all the connectivity features for sure. Antiflicker too. New menus. These are not features that create market separation.

 

[Luds34]

Interesting to see how a lot of people are daydreaming about 80D like AF capabilities, fps like crazy, exorbitant price increases (because of fancy spec speculations) etc. Just a lot to feel let down about after the camera's presentation... :-\

There will be a reason why the camera costs less than a 5D mk IV. I guess it will be excellent for stills and may be have some proper video capabilities (perhaps even 4k, though i dont't expect that) due to the flippy screen. That's it. For Sports you better keep using your 70/80D, 7D/mk II or 1DX/mk II's, for wildlife at it's best similarly.

Except that it is a $2000 camera (without a lens). Sure it's not a pro level action camera where I expect to spray 40 shots in a few seconds and capture that perfect point where the bald eagle has the wings spread to perfection. However to imply that it shouldn't be able to do action, as in unable to track a moving subject is nonsense. Not today when any decent camera costing far less can do it.

And I've made this point before. With the release cycle of the xD cameras, not only does this new 6D2 need to look good today, it needs to hold up and look good 3 years from now. The current 6D when it debuted came with a weak AF system. Today it looks quite dated. I suspect Canon won't make that mistake this time.

Put simply, tell someone today that they spent $2k+ on a camera, oh but it will struggle to get sharp pictures of your kids running around is probably unacceptable.

 

[j-nord]

Specs are just enough to tickle my fancy. 27-28 m-pix effective is about my cut off for considering it, less any moderate fps bump (Unlikely). Dual SD, tilt screen, DPAF, touch screen, etc were all expected but good to hear getting re-enforced as we get closer.

 

[jeffa4444]

This has been my consistent wish list based on extensive use of the current 6D since 2013 and taking other Canon developments into consideration since its launch.

28MP dual pixel sensor
45 point cross type AF (centre dual-cross type)
63 zone with 7,560 pixel RGB+IR metering sensor
100% viewfinder coverage
Anti-flicker
Max. Shutter speed 1/8000 to 30sec
Intervalometer
Flash sync at 1/250
6fps continuos shooting
NFC
Dual pixel AF focusing
Customised quick menu
Improve weather seals (mainly to buttons).

Retain from current camera

GPS
Wi-Fi (but improve the connectivity which is arcane)
Dynamic range
LP-E6N battery

While your specs are NOT unreasonable given we're in 2017, and given the trends in other cameras and knowing Canon's history -- these specs make the 6D2 too strong and you have to ask yourself...who will buy the 5D4 with 6D2 specs like that?


What is it about the 5D4 that will warrant an additional $1,300?

I'm thinking they go for -

5 FPS + small buffer
45pt AF at best...still a chance they do a 19pt system (yuck!!!)
No 100% viewfinder, but closer than the 6D was.
1/180 Sync Speed
1/4000 Shutter
Same as 6D weather sealing.


Some of the above are key enough to deter serious pros from using this as a cheaper alternative. Big thing is the sync speed and max shutter. This is a huge sign that says NOT FOR YOU for certain market segments. And that's ok. The 6D2 isn't going to be intended to be a serious studio camera. On the FPS, it isn't supposed to compete with the 5D4 as the ultimate events camera (like weddings).


It will have all the connectivity features for sure. Antiflicker too. New menus. These are not features that create market separation.

For Pros having a camera that's good for 150K actuations is important the 6D MKII will be limited to 100K as present, the 61 point AF with its 41 cross type, 5 dual cross type at f2.8 and 21 AF points at f8 are features we will not see in the 6D MKII along with the AF options for tracking etc, better metering, better weather sealing, better video with headphones as well as mic etc. will all be points to justify the differences of the 5D MKIV the way I see it we should compare the 80D to the 7D MKII and think full frame.

 

[Mikehit]

Except that it is a $2000 camera (without a lens). Sure it's not a pro level action camera where I expect to spray 40 shots in a few seconds and capture that perfect point where the bald eagle has the wings spread to perfection. However to imply that it shouldn't be able to do action, as in unable to track a moving subject is nonsense. Not today when any decent camera costing far less can do it.

And I've made this point before. With the release cycle of the xD cameras, not only does this new 6D2 need to look good today, it needs to hold up and look good 3 years from now. The current 6D when it debuted came with a weak AF system. Today it looks quite dated. I suspect Canon won't make that mistake this time.

Put simply, tell someone today that they spent $2k+ on a camera, oh but it will struggle to get sharp pictures of your kids running around is probably unacceptable.

Even the current 6D is pretty good at tracking - that is not a problem provided you can keep the AF point on the subject, and it is the options on AF points wher the 5DIV and 1Dx2 win out. Can you use the 6D for sports? Certainly but the other two increase the keeper rate.

So yes, the 6D can give you sharp pictures of your kids running round.

 

[Maiaibing]

The current 6D when it debuted came with a weak AF system. Today it looks quite dated. I suspect Canon won't make that mistake this time.

Put simply, tell someone today that they spent $2k+ on a camera, oh but it will struggle to get sharp pictures of your kids running around is probably unacceptable.

If you cannot get pin sharp shots of a kid running around with the 6D you need to learn how to use your camera.